(10-13-2020 09:45 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  New ratings out.
http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2020.html

Tennessee-Georgia leads the way (5.77M) followed by Alabama-Ole Miss (4.89M) & Red River Shootout (4.81M).

Of note, the 2 ABC Daytime games (UNC-VT 1.65M; TT-ISU 1.38M) didn't get within 55% of UCF-GT (3.06M).

That makes UCF-GT 2nd of 9 ABC daytime games and >35% better than the 5 P5vsP5 games behind them. ABC's ratings sure have "taken a beating" for airing UCF.

So, you’re comparing a UCF-Ga Tech game with little to no competition (USF-Notre Dame was on USA) vs games with competition from all other networks with P5 games?

Honest question, do you think UCF-Memphis is going to top the UNC-VT/TT-ISU ratings? At first, I thought no chance. But looking at the competition, the AAC may luck into another ratings boost. There’s only 1 other OTA game (Louisville-Notre Dame), and LSU-Florida is on ESPN. We will see.

I will say the numbers don’t lie and congrats to GT for propping up UCF (haha), but you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges like you’re doing.

(10-13-2020 11:54 AM)leofrog Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 09:45 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  New ratings out.
http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2020.html

Tennessee-Georgia leads the way (5.77M) followed by Alabama-Ole Miss (4.89M) & Red River Shootout (4.81M).

Of note, the 2 ABC Daytime games (UNC-VT 1.65M; TT-ISU 1.38M) didn't get within 55% of UCF-GT (3.06M).

That makes UCF-GT 2nd of 9 ABC daytime games and >35% better than the 5 P5vsP5 games behind them. ABC's ratings sure have "taken a beating" for airing UCF.

So, you’re comparing a UCF-Ga Tech game with little to no competition (USF-Notre Dame was on USA) vs games with competition from all other networks with P5 games?

Honest question, do you think UCF-Memphis is going to top the UNC-VT/TT-ISU ratings? At first, I thought no chance. But looking at the competition, the AAC may luck into another ratings boost. There’s only 1 other OTA game (Louisville-Notre Dame), and LSU-Florida is on ESPN. We will see.

I will say the numbers don’t lie and congrats to GT for propping up UCF (haha), but you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges like you’re doing.

The central point was the notion "ABC's ratings have taken a beating". Yes, the competition adjustment indicates UCF-GT would be more in-line with other P5vsP5 games, rather than 35-55% better, but that's a far different conversation than "taking a beating".

Here's a better apples-to-apples comparison. Both ABC, both same timeslot, both GT:
GT/FSU (9/12, 3:30): 1.98, 3.522M
UCF/GT (9/19, 3:30): 1.75, 3.057M

Georgia Tech playing a (down) blueblood in their opener drew marginally better than their game against UCF.

Yes, UCF/GT didn't have the same competition as the weeks that followed. But they still crushed those 5 P5vsP5 ABC Daytime games by 35-55%. That margin is large enough where you can objectively conclude, even with the difference in competition, that UCF doesn't "take a beating".

(10-13-2020 01:33 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 11:54 AM)leofrog Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 09:45 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  New ratings out.
http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2020.html

Tennessee-Georgia leads the way (5.77M) followed by Alabama-Ole Miss (4.89M) & Red River Shootout (4.81M).

Of note, the 2 ABC Daytime games (UNC-VT 1.65M; TT-ISU 1.38M) didn't get within 55% of UCF-GT (3.06M).

That makes UCF-GT 2nd of 9 ABC daytime games and >35% better than the 5 P5vsP5 games behind them. ABC's ratings sure have "taken a beating" for airing UCF.

So, you’re comparing a UCF-Ga Tech game with little to no competition (USF-Notre Dame was on USA) vs games with competition from all other networks with P5 games?

Honest question, do you think UCF-Memphis is going to top the UNC-VT/TT-ISU ratings? At first, I thought no chance. But looking at the competition, the AAC may luck into another ratings boost. There’s only 1 other OTA game (Louisville-Notre Dame), and LSU-Florida is on ESPN. We will see.

I will say the numbers don’t lie and congrats to GT for propping up UCF (haha), but you have to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges like you’re doing.

The central point was the notion "ABC's ratings have taken a beating". Yes, the competition adjustment indicates UCF-GT would be more in-line with other P5vsP5 games, rather than 35-55% better, but that's a far different conversation than "taking a beating".

Here's a better apples-to-apples comparison. Both ABC, both same timeslot, both GT:
GT/FSU (9/12, 3:30): 1.98, 3.522M
UCF/GT (9/19, 3:30): 1.75, 3.057M

Georgia Tech playing a (down) blueblood in their opener drew marginally better than their game against UCF.

Yes, UCF/GT didn't have the same competition as the weeks that followed. But they still crushed those 5 P5vsP5 ABC Daytime games by 35-55%. That margin is large enough where you can objectively conclude, even with the difference in competition, that UCF doesn't "take a beating".

And that GT-FSU game went up against Duke-Notre Dame on NBC which drew over 4M fans. So, that game would have had a higher viewership if it had little to no competition like UCF-GT.

I’m not here to bad mouth UCF or the AAC, just don’t like cherry picked facts. Like I said the numbers don’t lie, but there’s more to the story.

So if I changed "have taken a beating for it" to "are appropriately dismal and/or predictably crappy" then you'd accept that?

(10-13-2020 10:51 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  So if I changed "have taken a beating for it" to "are appropriately dismal and/or predictably crappy" then you'd accept that?

No. The competition could be Teletubbies. 3M viewers is always a good rating when a blueblood isn’t involved. There’s no way to spin 3M into dismal or crappy.

(10-13-2020 11:38 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:51 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  So if I changed "have taken a beating for it" to "are appropriately dismal and/or predictably crappy" then you'd accept that?

No. The competition could be Teletubbies. 3M viewers is always a good rating when a blueblood isn’t involved. There’s no way to spin 3M into dismal or crappy.

goal posts rearranged, I guess

I mean, on the surface, 3 million for "the scrappy underdogs UCF" vs Georgia Tech might sound "good", but when you take the other factors into consideration then it's pretty dismal

for example:
- there were only two head-to-head TV match-ups on. Appalachian State v Marshall on CBS and Troy-MTSU on ESPN. So there was only ONE P5 school playing in that window (Georgia Tech)
- two other games started later in the window and maybe siphoned viewers, but I doubt it. Clemson v Citadel on ACC Network and SMU-North Texas on CBSSN.
- the preceding week, that same Georgia Tech team played another Florida team (FSU) in the same window AGAINST competition on both FOX and NBC, as well as ESPN, etc and drew 3.52M (despite a rain delay)
- Only around 5-6 million people were even watching college football during this window, which is DOWN significantly.

So sure, if you want to throw a party because this game managed to garner 3M then go ahead. However, the data and facts don't suggest that Central Florida can move the needle at all

Week 6 games that are moving in:
Tennessee-Georgia 5.77M
Alabama-Ole Miss 4.89M
Oklahoma-Texas 4.81M
Miami-Clemson 4.61M

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/


I also noticed a Florida team managed to get 3.1M on cable ESPN at noon, in a much more competitive window. Imagine if that same game had happened three weeks before at 3:30 on ABC

(10-14-2020 02:49 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  Week 6 games that are moving in:
Tennessee-Georgia 5.77M
Alabama-Ole Miss 4.89M
Oklahoma-Texas 4.81M
Miami-Clemson 4.61M

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/


I also noticed a Florida team managed to get 3.1M on cable ESPN at noon, in a much more competitive window. Imagine if that same game had happened three weeks before at 3:30 on ABC

Looks like Texas A&M-Mississippi St got moved to ESPN because LSU-Florida got postponed. That’ll help the UCF-Memphis ratings.

(10-14-2020 02:35 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 11:38 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:51 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  So if I changed "have taken a beating for it" to "are appropriately dismal and/or predictably crappy" then you'd accept that?

No. The competition could be Teletubbies. 3M viewers is always a good rating when a blueblood isn’t involved. There’s no way to spin 3M into dismal or crappy.

goal posts rearranged, I guess

I mean, on the surface, 3 million for "the scrappy underdogs UCF" vs Georgia Tech might sound "good", but when you take the other factors into consideration then it's pretty dismal

for example:
- there were only two head-to-head TV match-ups on. Appalachian State v Marshall on CBS and Troy-MTSU on ESPN. So there was only ONE P5 school playing in that window (Georgia Tech)
- two other games started later in the window and maybe siphoned viewers, but I doubt it. Clemson v Citadel on ACC Network and SMU-North Texas on CBSSN.
- the preceding week, that same Georgia Tech team played another Florida team (FSU) in the same window AGAINST competition on both FOX and NBC, as well as ESPN, etc and drew 3.52M (despite a rain delay)
- Only around 5-6 million people were even watching college football during this window, which is DOWN significantly.

So sure, if you want to throw a party because this game managed to garner 3M then go ahead. However, the data and facts don't suggest that Central Florida can move the needle at all

3M for a non-blueblood game can be spun to look less good. There is no way to spin 3M viewers from “sounds good” all the way to "dismal", "crappy" or "taking a beating". The use of hyperbole is why this is an argument.

Lack of competition works as a nullifier if UCF/GT rated the same as the 5 ABC Daytime P5/P5 games behind it. It doesn't work as a nullifier when UCF-GT beat those games by 35-55% -- a resounding margin far too large to say "equal competition could not only drop UCF-GT 35-55% to the level of those 5 games, but additionally far below that into dismal/crappy territory".

I texted a friend who works for a network to take a look at UCF-GT. His response:
"3m for UCF/GT is a great number for ABC"

(10-14-2020 02:49 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  Week 6 games that are moving in:
Tennessee-Georgia 5.77M
Alabama-Ole Miss 4.89M
Oklahoma-Texas 4.81M
Miami-Clemson 4.61M

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/


I also noticed a Florida team managed to get 3.1M on cable ESPN at noon, in a much more competitive window. Imagine if that same game had happened three weeks before at 3:30 on ABC

Yeah, an SEC blueblood. Of course an SEC blueblood draws far higher. That is not relevant to calling UCF’s 3.1M “crappy”, “dismal”, & “taking a beating”. When you’re using those terms, an SEC blueblood isn’t the bar for comparison.

(10-14-2020 02:49 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  Week 6 games that are moving in:
Tennessee-Georgia 5.77M
Alabama-Ole Miss 4.89M
Oklahoma-Texas 4.81M
Miami-Clemson 4.61M

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/


I also noticed a Florida team managed to get 3.1M on cable ESPN at noon, in a much more competitive window. Imagine if that same game had happened three weeks before at 3:30 on ABC

4 of the top 5. People are starting to tune in.

(10-14-2020 08:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:49 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  Week 6 games that are moving in:
Tennessee-Georgia 5.77M
Alabama-Ole Miss 4.89M
Oklahoma-Texas 4.81M
Miami-Clemson 4.61M

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/


I also noticed a Florida team managed to get 3.1M on cable ESPN at noon, in a much more competitive window. Imagine if that same game had happened three weeks before at 3:30 on ABC

4 of the top 5. People are starting to tune in.

Truth is, the on-field action has been very exciting. It's been a great year of CFB so far, even with two of the P5 missing.

Georgia-Alabama got 9.61M viewers. It's higher than CBS's prime time game in 2019 (Notre Dame-Georgia) which 9.29M. That will be the target for the rest of the season. I can't imagine any game will get anywhere near 2019's LSU-Alabama game (16.64M). That game was the most watched regular season game since 2011.

The next highest viewership was 3.12M which doesn't even make the top 10 this season.
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

On deck this week is Nebraska-Ohio State at noon on FOX. It's OSU's season opener and unlike normal years when they play a "little sister of the poor" it's a conference opponent. Last year when they played in prime time on ABC they got 6.14M viewers. Fewer people tend to watch at noon and this season of course fewer people are watching in general. Last season Ohio State played on World Series Saturday vs. Wisconsin at noon on FOX and got 6.65M but Wisconsin was 6-1 entering the game vs. a 7-0 Ohio State. A good rating for Neb/OSU would probably be 5.5M, their goal should be to top Tennessee-Georgia (5.77M) for 2nd place.

Of course on Halloween night is Ohio State at Penn State, the game of the season in the B1G and it will be prime time (7:30pm) on ABC. Last season they drew 9.43M, the fourth highest regular season viewership behind LSU/Alabama, Ohio State/Michigan, and Alabama/Auburn. The problem this season is it's on Halloween and it's too early the season (both teams will have played just one game). Of course the original date would have been vs. the World Series so I don't know if that would have been any better. They should no doubt be #2 for the season to date. I'd be happy with 7 million and thrilled with 8M.

FOX and ABC can't wait for the Big Ten to play. FOX and ABC each have had just one game with more that 4M viewers all season.

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Selected Viewership Numbers for Non-P5 Teams, UPDATE:

WEEKS 0-1:

SMU-TEX ST 1.23 M*

BYU-NAVY 1.15 M*

ARK ST-MEM 1.03 M*

EKU-MARSHALL 0.980 M*

A PEAY-CENT ARK 0.501 M*


WEEK 2:

ARK ST - K STATE 1.79 M

LA-LAF-IOWA ST 1.68 M

TULANE-SO ALA 0.516 K*

UTSA-TEX ST 0.476 M*


WEEK 3:

UCF-GT 3.06 M

TULSA-OK ST 1.73 M

NAVY-TULANE 1.35 M*

APP ST-MARSH 1.25 M*

USF-ND 0.957 M

TROY-MTSU 0.642 M*

CMPBL-CSTL 0.509 M*


WEEK 4:

ARMY-CIN 1.08 M*

UCF-ECU 0.998 M*

TROY-BYU 0.795 M*

UAB-SO ALA 0.497 M*


WEEK 5:

LA TECH-BYU..0.505 M*

TULSA-UCF....0.435 M*


WEEK 6:

TULANE-HOU 418K*


WEEK 7:

UCF-MEM 1.90M*

BYU-HOU 1.16M*

SMU-TULANE...........ESPN 832K*

C CAR-LA-LAF........ESPN 721K*

GA ST-ARK ST....ESPN 698K*


WEEK 8:

TX ST-BYU 716 K*

TULSA-USF 561 K*

UT ST-BOISE ST 549 K*

CIN-SMU 485 K*

*Asterisks indicate games between non-P5 teams.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

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Non-P5 teams with 2+ games listed above:

BYU
Cincinnati
Arkansas State
Marshall
Louisiana
Troy
Texas State
Navy
UCF
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
Tulsa
Southern Methodist
USF

Sports Media Watch's weekly summary of Oct. 17's ratings and season to date:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/10...-football/

"Last Saturday’s Georgia-Alabama college football game averaged a 5.3 rating and 9.61 million viewers on CBS, easily ranking as the highest rated and most-watched game of the season. It cruised past the previous highs of 3.1 and 5.77 million set a week earlier by Tennessee-Georgia. No other game this season has cracked a 3.0 rating, compared to 18 through seven weeks last season."

We can use the 3.0 rating as a guideline as to how many Big Ten games get a rating at or higher than that. Viewership overall is down but maybe we just haven't seen the big dogs yet. We have seen the SEC but we've only had four SEC on CBS games (games on ESPN, ESPN2, and SECN will always have limited audience) and one of them had Mississippi State, one of the worst if not the worst TV draw in the conference. LSU and Auburn are down so that's a problem. I expect the Iron Bowl and Alabama-LSU to be fine but LSU-Auburn could be below 3.0. I also expect a big showing from Georgia-Florida unless either or both go in the tank between now and then. In the Big Ten, Nebraska-Ohio State could be close to 3.0. Remember these are ratings, not viewership in millions.

"Georgia-Alabama was the exception on an otherwise low-rated college football Saturday in which no other game managed even a 2.0 rating. Prior to this season, it was rare — if not unprecedented — for only one game to crack the 2.0 mark on a college football weekend. This season, it has happened three times (not counting ‘week zero’)."

"The weekend’s lone game on FOX, Kansas-West Virginia, had a 0.9 and 1.46 million — down an unsurprising 80% from Texas-Oklahoma in the same week seven window last year (4.5, 7.32M)."

Note to FOX: Never air West Virginia as the primary team in a game again! You'd be better off airing a MWC game ... or an infomercial. If anyone believes West Virginia draws viewers, just remember this game. They can't even get a 1.0!

Something else to consider is the SEC went immediately into conference play, so we didn’t have any 3-0 vs 3-0 teams playing each other to start the season. As it stands now, 4 SEC teams have a winning record, 5 have a .500 record, and 5 have a losing record.

Showbuzz Daily Ratings for Oct. 24 games: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2020.html

Nebraska-Ohio State topped 6 million viewers (6.175M). That will put them 2nd for the season behind Georgia-Alabama (9.61M). Michigan-Minnesota got 5.118M vs. the World Series, now 4th place for the season (Ga/Ala, Neb/OSU, Tenn/Ga at 5.75M) and only the 4th game all year with over 5 million viewers. Alabama/Tennessee only got 4.359M. No one else got over 3 million.

The Big Ten is back.

(10-22-2020 06:40 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Sports Media Watch's weekly summary of Oct. 17's ratings and season to date:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/10...-football/

"Last Saturday’s Georgia-Alabama college football game averaged a 5.3 rating and 9.61 million viewers on CBS, easily ranking as the highest rated and most-watched game of the season. It cruised past the previous highs of 3.1 and 5.77 million set a week earlier by Tennessee-Georgia. No other game this season has cracked a 3.0 rating, compared to 18 through seven weeks last season."

We can use the 3.0 rating as a guideline as to how many Big Ten games get a rating at or higher than that. Viewership overall is down but maybe we just haven't seen the big dogs yet. We have seen the SEC but we've only had four SEC on CBS games (games on ESPN, ESPN2, and SECN will always have limited audience) and one of them had Mississippi State, one of the worst if not the worst TV draw in the conference. LSU and Auburn are down so that's a problem. I expect the Iron Bowl and Alabama-LSU to be fine but LSU-Auburn could be below 3.0. I also expect a big showing from Georgia-Florida unless either or both go in the tank between now and then. In the Big Ten, Nebraska-Ohio State could be close to 3.0. Remember these are ratings, not viewership in millions.

"Georgia-Alabama was the exception on an otherwise low-rated college football Saturday in which no other game managed even a 2.0 rating. Prior to this season, it was rare — if not unprecedented — for only one game to crack the 2.0 mark on a college football weekend. This season, it has happened three times (not counting ‘week zero’)."

"The weekend’s lone game on FOX, Kansas-West Virginia, had a 0.9 and 1.46 million — down an unsurprising 80% from Texas-Oklahoma in the same week seven window last year (4.5, 7.32M)."

Note to FOX: Never air West Virginia as the primary team in a game again! You'd be better off airing a MWC game ... or an infomercial. If anyone believes West Virginia draws viewers, just remember this game. They can't even get a 1.0!

Duh. Kansas. It wasn't WVU dragging down the ratings.

(10-27-2020 11:32 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Showbuzz Daily Ratings for Oct. 24 games: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...-2020.html

Nebraska-Ohio State topped 6 million viewers (6.175M). That will put them 2nd for the season behind Georgia-Alabama (9.61M). Michigan-Minnesota got 5.118M vs. the World Series, now 4th place for the season (Ga/Ala, Neb/OSU, Tenn/Ga at 5.75M) and only the 4th game all year with over 5 million viewers. Alabama/Tennessee only got 4.359M. No one else got over 3 million.

The Big Ten is back.

Note that ISU-OSU was 4th, beating Notre Dame-Pitt head to head. No names can draw well when they are successful.

(09-15-2020 10:30 AM)stever20 Wrote:  1 Tennessee @ Georgia week 6 CBS 5.77M 330pm
2 Alabama @ Mississippi week 6 ESPN 4.89M 730pm
3 Oklahoma vs Texas week 6 Fox 4.81M noon
4 Texas A&M @ Alabama week 5 CBS 4.76M 330pm
5 Miami @ Clemson week 6 ABC 4.61M 730pm gd there
6 Miss St @ LSU week 4 CBS 4.44M 330pm
7 Duke @ Notre Dame week 2 NBC 4.23M 230pm
8 Auburn @ Georgia week 4 ESPN 4.22M 730pm gd there
9 Miami @ Louisville week 3 ABC 3.80M 730pm gd there
10 Oklahoma @ Iowa St week 5 3.71m 730pm

goodbye to:
Ga Tech @ Florida St week 2 ABC 3.52M 330pm
Clemson @ Wake Forest week 2 ABC 3.46M 730pm gd there
UCF @ Ga Tech week 3 ABC 3.06 M 330pm
Florida St @ Miami week 4 ABC 2.95M 730pm gd there


ABC 3
CBS 3
NBC 2
ESPN 2

SEC 5/5
ACC 3/3
B12 2/2

noon 1
230 1
330 3
primetime 5

So Week 7 UGA-Alabama moves into #1, but nothing else changes.
Week 8 you've got 3 games entering the top 10.