I don't think so - I don't see Trump fighting for it like 2016 & believe the Democrats/Biden are doing much better campaigning here than Hilary - but here's a couple good articles. Union workers still planning on voting against the union, areas that flipped to Trump from Obama still look Trump, etc.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/07/in-...ng-voters/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/opinions/...index.html

Just thought I'd share. Basically, what people are actually seeing is different from the polls

I've been trying to find what polls had Hilary at at this point in time in MI & stumbled across the 2 articles.

Just comes out to turnout.

(10-14-2020 09:28 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I don't think so - I don't see Trump fighting for it like 2016 & believe the Democrats/Biden are doing much better campaigning here than Hilary - but here's a couple good articles. Union workers still planning on voting against the union, areas that flipped to Trump from Obama still look Trump, etc.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/07/in-...ng-voters/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/opinions/...index.html

Just thought I'd share. Basically, what people are actually seeing is different from the polls

I've been trying to find what polls had Hilary at at this point in time in MI & stumbled across the 2 articles.

Just comes out to turnout.

https://twitter.com/danielb9600/status/1...5662496768

BOLO

John James has made up a double digit deficit since June to pull within a point in the denate race. THe republicans just dumped millions more on that race and Schumer spent another $5million early this week in that race.

(10-14-2020 09:41 AM)green Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:28 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I don't think so - I don't see Trump fighting for it like 2016 & believe the Democrats/Biden are doing much better campaigning here than Hilary - but here's a couple good articles. Union workers still planning on voting against the union, areas that flipped to Trump from Obama still look Trump, etc.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/07/in-...ng-voters/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/opinions/...index.html

Just thought I'd share. Basically, what people are actually seeing is different from the polls

I've been trying to find what polls had Hilary at at this point in time in MI & stumbled across the 2 articles.

Just comes out to turnout.

https://twitter.com/danielb9600/status/1...5662496768

BOLO

Good! Finally! But he needs to be in the east part of the state.

MI will be close. John James may just pull off the upset, too.

Your crazy governor might help Trump and James pull it off

(10-14-2020 09:28 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I don't think so - I don't see Trump fighting for it like 2016 & believe the Democrats/Biden are doing much better campaigning here than Hilary - but here's a couple good articles. Union workers still planning on voting against the union, areas that flipped to Trump from Obama still look Trump, etc.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/07/in-...ng-voters/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/opinions/...index.html

Just thought I'd share. Basically, what people are actually seeing is different from the polls

I've been trying to find what polls had Hilary at at this point in time in MI & stumbled across the 2 articles.

Just comes out to turnout.

She was up by around 5 points in MI at about this point in 2016.
https://www.mlive.com/news/2016/10/michigan_polls.html

(10-14-2020 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:28 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I don't think so - I don't see Trump fighting for it like 2016 & believe the Democrats/Biden are doing much better campaigning here than Hilary - but here's a couple good articles. Union workers still planning on voting against the union, areas that flipped to Trump from Obama still look Trump, etc.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/07/in-...ng-voters/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/opinions/...index.html

Just thought I'd share. Basically, what people are actually seeing is different from the polls

I've been trying to find what polls had Hilary at at this point in time in MI & stumbled across the 2 articles.

Just comes out to turnout.

She was up by around 5 points in MI at about this point in 2016.
https://www.mlive.com/news/2016/10/michigan_polls.html

Thank you, so Biden's polling a bit better here. But In 2016 I believe there was a Rasmussen poll that consistently had Trump ahead by 1 here. I haven't seen Rasmussen polls here in MI in 2020. If we had thrown the Rasmussen polls out in 2016, I'm curious what Hilary's lead would've been

(10-14-2020 10:15 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:28 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I don't think so - I don't see Trump fighting for it like 2016 & believe the Democrats/Biden are doing much better campaigning here than Hilary - but here's a couple good articles. Union workers still planning on voting against the union, areas that flipped to Trump from Obama still look Trump, etc.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/07/in-...ng-voters/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/opinions/...index.html

Just thought I'd share. Basically, what people are actually seeing is different from the polls

I've been trying to find what polls had Hilary at at this point in time in MI & stumbled across the 2 articles.

Just comes out to turnout.

She was up by around 5 points in MI at about this point in 2016.
https://www.mlive.com/news/2016/10/michigan_polls.html

Thank you, so Biden's polling a bit better here. But In 2016 I believe there was a Rasmussen poll that consistently had Trump ahead by 1 here. I haven't seen Rasmussen polls here in MI in 2020. If we had thrown the Rasmussen polls out in 2016, I'm curious what Hilary's lead would've been

Johnson and Stein got over 4.5% of the vote in 2016. No way JoJo pulls that this time around. trump only beat HRC by 11k votes last time. Most polls at 538 only have JoJo polling at 1-2%.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/michigan/

If Trump does well in the exo-suburbs of Detroit, he wins the state again.

(10-14-2020 11:09 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Trump does well in the exo-suburbs of Detroit, he wins the state again.

His appeal to those women should put him safely over the top.

(10-14-2020 09:51 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Your crazy governor might help Trump and James pull it off

Yup. Those two supreme court smackdowns resonated with a lot of folks who already didn't like her that much. Lots of them are blue collar democrats.

Then there is Senator Peters who very few people in this state would even be able to recognize if he was standing on a street corner with a sign that said who he was. Dude is a ghost. If minorities in Detroit and Flint break away from the automatic D vote for the career politician old white guy even by just a few percent from normal to actually vote for a black man to represent the state in the U.S. Senate, that race is over.

Peters and Schumer are spending like drunk sailors on shore leave right now. Their internals must not be peachy.

Keep in mind that Trump should outperform James in MI. So if James is within a point (and Schumer is spending like he is) then Trump is likely up a couple of points.

(10-14-2020 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 11:09 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Trump does well in the exo-suburbs of Detroit, he wins the state again.

His appeal to those women should put him safely over the top.

Right. Trumps not a cuck.

(10-14-2020 09:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  MI will be close. John James may just pull off the upset, too.

https://twitter.com/RobertCahaly/status/...3477659648

MOTOR CITY BREAKDOWN

I saw that. It looks like they polled each District equally, so not sure how accurate it is. My guess Plugs has a 3,4 point lead here.

(10-14-2020 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 11:09 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Trump does well in the exo-suburbs of Detroit, he wins the state again.

His appeal to those women should put him safely over the top.

Don’t you have some traffic to go play in?

(10-16-2020 09:58 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I saw that. It looks like they polled each District equally, so not sure how accurate it is. My guess Plugs has a 3,4 point lead here.

https://twitter.com/Jmward01/status/1317102561271296006

AND HOW

Starting to see more Trump & John James ads.......but I thought Trump pulled funding here?

(10-16-2020 01:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Starting to see more Trump & John James ads.......but I thought Trump pulled funding here?

Could just be a timing issue of when they paid. He could also pull money in total from the state, but still have more of a focused ad buy in targeted areas.