I'm tired of the Liberty bashing

Frankly our AD should have kept his comments private.

Liberty met guidelines so far.

SU is going full woke mode

https://www.dailywire.com/news/syracuse-...benshapiro

In a word:

NO.

(08-16-2020 07:50 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 01:51 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  My guess is if Liberty were a Muslim college that you wouldn’t be trying to mock their beliefs.

Why is it acceptable to mock religion on a sports board? Why the sex jokes in reference to someone’s religious beliefs? [/u] Of course ironically as with politics, those that yell “tolerance” are the most intolerant people in the world.

Hypocrisy should always be held up for ridicule and jokes. If your religion says the world is flat, or the Earth was created in a single day, or that it's okay to **** your father if it results in a pregnancy, that's something to make fun of, not respect.

Well I have no idea what all those references are to and it would obviously be a waste of time to debate you. However, it appears that you are just repeating things you have heard others state and are repeating without having studied what you ridicule. That is typical of those that are intolerant. I’m not necessarily defending Liberty, since I am not familiar with them. It’s just frustrating to see the hypocrisy taking place in society when we pick and choose who we want to ridicule without taking any time to adequately study the subject. There are endless numbers of commentaries that explain what so many misinterpret or don’t bother to read for themselves. It’s just easier and more fun to hate and ridicule.

I don’t intend upon responding again, because of reasons aforementioned. However, I’ll give you this advice. Again study subjects yourself before forming an opinion. What does Genesis really say about the earth and creation? Actually read it and put it into context. Tradition states that Genesis was penned by Moses. Moses would have been trying to explain creation to a bunch of illiterate former slaves. Of course it isn’t written from a scientific perspective. Does it make it any less true because it is explained in a way they can understand? You mentioned the earth created in a day. Time can be interpreted as symbolic. Remember the audience. The sun, moon and seasons aren’t created until day four. How do you define time without a sun or seasons. Obviously no rotation of the earth and rotation around the sun before then. How long was that period? Millions of years? There would be no basis for time before then. Just call it a day? And I think I will do the same and call it a day and sign off.

Wreck your scholarship is at odds those that teach literal inerrancy. You admonishing for me to study a subject I have studied many times is charming but not needed. You aren't up to this.

(08-16-2020 01:51 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  My guess is if Liberty were a Muslim college that you wouldn’t be trying to mock their beliefs.

Why is it acceptable to mock religion on a sports board? Why the sex jokes in reference to someone’s religious beliefs? [/u] Of course ironically as with politics, those that yell “tolerance” are the most intolerant people in the world.

It wasn't my original intention but since the thread is already 99% off the rails... I'll respond in case this was directed to me. Yes, I would be mocking Liberty all the same if they were a Muslim college but held and followed similar ridiculous policies. I'll call bull**** when I see bull****, and Liberty is full of it and has been for years. The school is led by hypocritical clowns who endanger student and employee safety through their foolish COVID policies (well before their lack of athlete testing).

Sorry we can't all exhibit true moral values like old Jerry.

(08-16-2020 10:18 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 01:51 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  My guess is if Liberty were a Muslim college that you wouldn’t be trying to mock their beliefs.

Why is it acceptable to mock religion on a sports board? Why the sex jokes in reference to someone’s religious beliefs? [/u] Of course ironically as with politics, those that yell “tolerance” are the most intolerant people in the world.

It wasn't my original intention but since the thread is already 99% off the rails... I'll respond in case this was directed to me. Yes, I would be mocking Liberty all the same if they were a Muslim college but held and followed similar ridiculous policies. I'll call bull**** when I see bull****, and Liberty is full of it and has been for years. The school is led by hypocritical clowns who endanger student and employee safety through their foolish COVID policies (well before their lack of athlete testing).

Sorry we can't all exhibit true moral values like old Jerry.

I don't care about that...that is internal to Liberty. We are just playing a friggin Football game. All I care is to they meet whatever standards and contract they agreed to with SU and the ACC.

(08-16-2020 07:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 06:45 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Others have adequately addressed the recent concerns raised by black athletes regarding Liberty. I have nothing to add beyond what has already been said.

(08-16-2020 06:45 PM)orangefan Wrote:  With respect to Liberty's policies towards LGBTQ students, my concern is that Liberty is one of a number of colleges in the country that has requested and been granted an exemption from Title IX so that it may discriminate against LGBTQ students on the basis of sexual orientation.

There are many church affiliated colleges in the US, including the vast majority of Catholic colleges in the country, that share Liberty's doctrinal beliefs regarding LGBTQ lifestyles, but which have not requested an exemption so that they may discriminate.

Title IX is not the only legal bullwork to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation there is. And you're talking about hypotheticals. It's, as you say, a concern. And then you jump swiftly and immediately in the next paragraph to ... they're using it to discriminate. Well which is it, it can't be both. Is it a concern? Or is it discrimination? Show me your proof if it's discrimination, there should be some. I grew up near Bob Jones where interracial dating was banned well past 2000. It wasn't some grand conspiracy they published that crap policy openly. If Liberty believes in discriminating against non-heterosexual people on a religious basis I'd expect them to proclaim that and not hide from it.

And I'd add that not being subject to Title IX allows Liberty to avoid discrimination against men by eliminating potentially popular men's sports in the name of maintaining Title IX ratio requirements for far less popular and far more revenue losing women's sports. And if we're really concerned about the well being of students on campus regarding Title IX let's pop open the can of worms that is competitive cheerleading being exempt from Title IX explicitly in the law because the feminists who drafted it looked down upon cheerleading. Competitive cheerleading is the number one source of catastrophic injury per capita in collegiate sports. It's the number one source of paralysis injury per capita in collegiate sports. It's the number one source of career ending injury per capita in collegiate sports. You're safer playing full contact football than competitive cheerleading. And because it's exempt colleges don't have to provide the level of medical and mental health services to those athletes before, during, and after their careers that they have to with other athletes. Thanks for helping out those cheerleaders with Title IX, feminists!

The exemptions held by a number of colleges, including a couple of Catholic schools, are limited to discrimination against LGBTQ students. Title IX broadly prohibits any college or university receiving federal aid from discriminating against students or employees on the basis of race, religion, nationality, handicap, gender, etc. The requirements that this imposes on collegiate athletics are a narrow part of its scope.

Your question regarding whether treating a school or individual differently on the basis that they discriminate is itself discrimination is a fair one. I will say first that Syracuse agreed to play Liberty knowing of its policies, so did not discriminate in its treatment of Liberty. That said, I believe choosing to exclude a person or institution from a group that is otherwise open and inclusive on the grounds that the excluded person or institution actively chooses to discriminate is reasonable. Agreeing not to discriminate does not require anyone to change their beliefs, only to respect the right of others to hold differing views.

Many colleges and universities have close affiliations with religious denominations that share Liberty's doctrinal view regarding LGBTQ issues but do not discriminate. Syracuse University itself is an historical Methodist university that still retains a relationship with the church. Three university trustees are nominated by the church and one Dean is required to be a Methodist minister. The United Methodist Church is itself struggling with its own policies regarding LGBTQ members and does not currently permit ordination of LGBTQ ministers or consecration of same sex marriages. Despite this relationship with the Methodist church, Syracuse does not discriminate, nor do Duke (also Methodist), Notre Dame or Boston College.

(08-17-2020 07:30 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 10:18 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 01:51 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  My guess is if Liberty were a Muslim college that you wouldn’t be trying to mock their beliefs.

Why is it acceptable to mock religion on a sports board? Why the sex jokes in reference to someone’s religious beliefs? [/u] Of course ironically as with politics, those that yell “tolerance” are the most intolerant people in the world.

It wasn't my original intention but since the thread is already 99% off the rails... I'll respond in case this was directed to me. Yes, I would be mocking Liberty all the same if they were a Muslim college but held and followed similar ridiculous policies. I'll call bull**** when I see bull****, and Liberty is full of it and has been for years. The school is led by hypocritical clowns who endanger student and employee safety through their foolish COVID policies (well before their lack of athlete testing).

Sorry we can't all exhibit true moral values like old Jerry.

I don't care about that...that is internal to Liberty. We are just playing a friggin Football game. All I care is to they meet whatever standards and contract they agreed to with SU and the ACC.

I suppose one could argue that if a religious school can't uphold God's standards, what makes you think they'll uphold man's? (for those who don't know, that is NOT his wife).

(08-17-2020 10:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 07:30 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 10:18 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 01:51 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  My guess is if Liberty were a Muslim college that you wouldn’t be trying to mock their beliefs.

Why is it acceptable to mock religion on a sports board? Why the sex jokes in reference to someone’s religious beliefs? [/u] Of course ironically as with politics, those that yell “tolerance” are the most intolerant people in the world.

It wasn't my original intention but since the thread is already 99% off the rails... I'll respond in case this was directed to me. Yes, I would be mocking Liberty all the same if they were a Muslim college but held and followed similar ridiculous policies. I'll call bull**** when I see bull****, and Liberty is full of it and has been for years. The school is led by hypocritical clowns who endanger student and employee safety through their foolish COVID policies (well before their lack of athlete testing).

Sorry we can't all exhibit true moral values like old Jerry.

I don't care about that...that is internal to Liberty. We are just playing a friggin Football game. All I care is to they meet whatever standards and contract they agreed to with SU and the ACC.

I suppose one could argue that if a religious school can't uphold God's standards, what makes you think they'll uphold man's? (for those who don't know, that is NOT his wife).

I'm just surprised it's a woman.

It is only acceptable to bash Christians or Catholics in our PC world. Attacking Muslims or Jews it is quickly labeled a hate crime by our media. Attack a Christian or Catholic and it’s celebrated.

Liberty University is no more immune to losing its way then another organization, Christian or Secular. To use Liberty’s leaders missteps to impugn the Christian faith is shortsighted and sad. Christians aren’t perfect just forgiven.

No. I didn't want to play them last year either. SU should have nothing to do with them. If SU wants to play in Virginia, it should schedule ODU.

(08-19-2020 06:47 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It is only acceptable to bash Christians or Catholics in our PC world. Attacking Muslims or Jews it is quickly labeled a hate crime by our media. Attack a Christian or Catholic and it’s celebrated.

Liberty University is no more immune to losing its way then another organization, Christian or Secular. To use Liberty’s leaders missteps to impugn the Christian faith is shortsighted and sad. Christians aren’t perfect just forgiven.

At the risk of prolonging this thread, in my view, the reason for the targeting of Mr. Falwell is not his religion, it is his excessive pride and absolute lack of humility. When you hold yourself out as superior to others in any way, whether be it social, moral, intellectual or otherwise, you better be ready to walk the walk or you are going to be called out for it hard when you fail.

"Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18 (KJV)

(08-19-2020 07:46 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-19-2020 06:47 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It is only acceptable to bash Christians or Catholics in our PC world. Attacking Muslims or Jews it is quickly labeled a hate crime by our media. Attack a Christian or Catholic and it’s celebrated.

Liberty University is no more immune to losing its way then another organization, Christian or Secular. To use Liberty’s leaders missteps to impugn the Christian faith is shortsighted and sad. Christians aren’t perfect just forgiven.

At the risk of prolonging this thread, in my view, the reason for the targeting of Mr. Falwell is not his religion, it is his excessive pride and absolute lack of humility. When you hold yourself out as superior to others in any way, whether be it social, moral, intellectual or otherwise, you better be ready to walk the walk or you are going to be called out for it hard when you fail.

"Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18 (KJV)

100% correct.

Christians are not being bashed.

Evangelical hypocrites are being bashed. There is all the difference in the world. The true Christian follows the word and spirit of Jesus without allowing him or herself to be dragged down by Old Testament "law", lies, and Paul's weirdness. Evangelic hypocrites tend to worship a prosperity gospel based on single translation of a book that whose entire first chapter ripped off the Sumerians and Babylonians.

There is a reason that the only in the Temple and only with the Rich man did Jesus loose his calm demeanor. The Temple was being profaned for profit and the Rich man already knew the way through the gates of Heaven but was not willing.

The line of evangelical hypocrites run from Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell, Sr and especially Jr., and most sadly to Franklin Graham who must have been a great disappointment to his father. These bozos have driven millions of young Americans away from any Jesus-centered religion leaving them isolated and without any solid purpose.

Jesus would be more at home with honest sinners than insincere "Christians".

(08-19-2020 08:33 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Christians are not being bashed.
Evangelical hypocrites are being bashed.

Christians are being bashed too. I agree with most of your comments about evangelical hypocrites, but I feel that I am being bashed too.

(08-15-2020 10:25 AM)Statefan Wrote:  I think that most people who understand the South know that when you hook up with those that claim to be born again - you are going to get either a case of the crabs, chlamydia, or a pregnancy scare. Liberty is "that" girl.

Genuine born again Christians don't play the "hook up" game.

The ones that do are hypocrites and lairs, the same type of hypocrites and liars many non believers are.

(08-19-2020 08:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-19-2020 08:33 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Christians are not being bashed.
Evangelical hypocrites are being bashed.

Christians are being bashed too. I agree with most of your comments about evangelical hypocrites, but I feel that I am being bashed too.

He is painting with a pretty broad brush. Every Christian on earth has issues and problems in their life, there is not one single one alive that does not battle certain sins.

Satan loves to attack believers for not being perfect, and uses it as an excuse to drive people away.

If non Christians require a Christian to be perfect, sinless and mistake free their entire lives, then there is not one person on this earth who can witness or preach the Word. Which is really what many non believers want, they just hide behind the excuse that some people are hypocrites or make mistakes.

Some of the names he mentioned are terrible people and not remotely genuine Christians, but people like Jimmy Swaggert and Franklin Graham are good Christian men who make mistakes and are imperfect like all other believers. Both have a wonderful ministry and outreach today.

(08-16-2020 07:50 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 01:51 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  My guess is if Liberty were a Muslim college that you wouldn’t be trying to mock their beliefs.

Why is it acceptable to mock religion on a sports board? Why the sex jokes in reference to someone’s religious beliefs? [/u] Of course ironically as with politics, those that yell “tolerance” are the most intolerant people in the world.

Hypocrisy should always be held up for ridicule and jokes. If your religion says the world is flat, or the Earth was created in a single day, or that it's okay to **** your father if it results in a pregnancy, that's something to make fun of, not respect.

That's why we make fun of SJWs, the politically correct and the left every day. Well, not all the time. Sometimes, its just so over the top hypocritical, its just WOW! It just leaves you speechless.

doesn't NY still have a 14 day quarantine? How will anyone get to play there?

TBH financially I'd rather play Liberty than most of the ACC. Liberty fans travel, most of the ACC doesn't, so that means increased ticket sales.