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And the ACC Schedule is out
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RE: And the ACC Schedule is out
My projection that the conference would front load OOC games in the first two weeks was accurate. There are five OOC games scheduled each week and then five weeks in the remainder of the season when one ACC school plays an OOC opponent.

My prediction that the conference would avoid FCS games was inaccurate. Virginia and FSU have both scheduled FCS opponents for their OOC games, VMI and Samford, respectively. Both games were already scheduled, although the dates have changed.

All OOC opponents were already scheduled, although several dates have been changed.

Clemson and UNC have to be determined opponents on 9/19. Query whether Akron and JMU, which are their previously scheduled opponents on those dates, are reviewing their ability to meet ACC protocols.

Here's a summary of OOC games:

9/10
UAB at Miami-Fl (moved from 9/19)
9/11
VMI at UVa (moved from 9/12)
9/12
Ohio at BC (previously scheduled)
WKU at Louisville (moved from 9/26)
Miami-O at Pitt (moved from 9/5)
9/19
Samford at FSU (moved from 9/12)
UCF at GT (previously scheduled)
WMU at ND (previously scheduled)
Clemson vs. TBD
UNC vs. TBD
10/9
ODU at Wake (previously at ODU on 9/5)
10/17
Liberty at SU (previously scheduled)
10/31
Charlotte at Duke (moved from 9/19)
11/7
Liberty at VT (moved from 9/5)
11/21
Liberty at NC St. (previously scheduled)
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RE: And the ACC Schedule is out
I predict GT will play their already scheduled Gardner Webb (or even Georgia State) before UCF.
08-06-2020 08:37 AM
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RE: And the ACC Schedule is out
(08-06-2020 08:30 AM)orangefan Wrote:  My projection that the conference would front load OOC games in the first two weeks was accurate. There are five OOC games scheduled each week and then five weeks in the remainder of the season when one ACC school plays an OOC opponent.

My prediction that the conference would avoid FCS games was inaccurate. Virginia and FSU have both scheduled FCS opponents for their OOC games, VMI and Samford, respectively. Both games were already scheduled, although the dates have changed.

All OOC opponents were already scheduled, although several dates have been changed.

Clemson and UNC have to be determined opponents on 9/19. Query whether Akron and JMU, which are their previously scheduled opponents on those dates, are reviewing their ability to meet ACC protocols.

Here's a summary of OOC games:

9/10
UAB at Miami-Fl (moved from 9/19)
9/11
VMI at UVa (moved from 9/12)
9/12
Ohio at BC (previously scheduled)
WKU at Louisville (moved from 9/26)
Miami-O at Pitt (moved from 9/5)
9/19
Samford at FSU (moved from 9/12)
UCF at GT (previously scheduled)
WMU at ND (previously scheduled)
Clemson vs. TBD
UNC vs. TBD
10/9
ODU at Wake (previously at ODU on 9/5)
10/17
Liberty at SU (previously scheduled)
10/31
Charlotte at Duke (moved from 9/19)
11/7
Liberty at VT (moved from 9/5)
11/21
Liberty at NC St. (previously scheduled)

Only watchable non ACC opponent is UCF. Should have just canceled these games.
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RE: And the ACC Schedule is out
(08-06-2020 08:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Only watchable non ACC opponent is UCF. Should have just canceled these games.

It's just a TV money grab.
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RE: And the ACC Schedule is out
Looking at alternatives for Akron and James Madison for Clemson and UNC, if those games don't work, I find that Furman, Charlotte, App.St. and ECU are all available on that date.

The Citadel, which Clemson was scheduled to play later in the season, may be a possibility as well, if the Citadel can move its game with Charleston Southern to the following week, which they both have open. Such a move would also make Charleston Southern available for a potential game at UNC.
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No ND/Navy game for the first time in 93 years.
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(08-06-2020 09:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No ND/Navy game for the first time in 93 years.



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(08-06-2020 09:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Only watchable non ACC opponent is UCF. Should have just canceled these games.

It's just a TV money grab.

If no one's watching the games, how much money are they making?
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(08-06-2020 09:59 AM)green Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 09:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No ND/Navy game for the first time in 93 years.



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(08-06-2020 10:17 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 09:59 AM)green Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 09:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No ND/Navy game for the first time in 93 years.



https://twitter.com/bburden1721/status/1...3277722625

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RE: And the ACC Schedule is out
(08-06-2020 10:12 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 09:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Only watchable non ACC opponent is UCF. Should have just canceled these games.

It's just a TV money grab.

If no one's watching the games, how much money are they making?

The rights fees for all games, other than those on ACCN, should not be affected by low ratings. Rights fees are set in advance based on the network's guess of the value to pay the fees, and are at their risk so long as the conference satisfies its obligations under the contract. The ACC has reduced its total game inventory available to ESPN by around 11 games, but this reduction is essentially all FCS games, several of which would have been placed on ACCNX. I'm guessing that ESPN will not be demanding a reduction in rights fees based on this change.

If viewership is down on ACCN, however, this would result in a reduction in rights fees. In particular, ESPN would be required to offer "make goods" to advertisers, which would reduce the profitability of ACCN and therefore the distribution to ACC members.
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(08-06-2020 10:20 AM)green Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 10:17 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 09:59 AM)green Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 09:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No ND/Navy game for the first time in 93 years.



https://twitter.com/bburden1721/status/1...3277722625

SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS

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BESIDE THE POINT

but for magnanimity ...
nd could be ucant ...

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RE: And the ACC Schedule is out
-- It looks like Louisville leads the way with 3 Friday night games ... which I know gives a lot of people heart burn, but not me. Frees me up to watch a bunch of college football on Saturday.

-- Wake can get off the schnide of losses after bye weeks, with a shot with Old Dominion. Later on in the season, they face UNC after a bye.

-- Toughest stretch of games?? Maybe Florida State -- Miami, Notre Dame, UNC, Louisville, Pitt ?? That's pretty formidable, even with a bye in there.


Hope we get this all in, because it looks like a whole bunch of fun!!
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(08-06-2020 10:24 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 10:12 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 09:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Only watchable non ACC opponent is UCF. Should have just canceled these games.

It's just a TV money grab.

If no one's watching the games, how much money are they making?

The rights fees for all games, other than those on ACCN, should not be affected by low ratings. Rights fees are set in advance based on the network's guess of the value to pay the fees, and are at their risk so long as the conference satisfies its obligations under the contract. The ACC has reduced its total game inventory available to ESPN by around 11 games, but this reduction is essentially all FCS games, several of which would have been placed on ACCNX. I'm guessing that ESPN will not be demanding a reduction in rights fees based on this change.

If viewership is down on ACCN, however, this would result in a reduction in rights fees. In particular, ESPN would be required to offer "make goods" to advertisers, which would reduce the profitability of ACCN and therefore the distribution to ACC members.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Also, it's important to ESPN and the ACCN to have live sports in order to keep cable and OTT providers from dropping the channels and/or demanding to pay lower fees, I would think. I read somewhere that most contracts allow for cancellations as long as the programming is made up within one year - but if the season is cancelled and not made up, that would trigger all sorts of clauses...
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(08-06-2020 09:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No ND/Navy game for the first time in 93 years.

Maybe someday they'll be in the same fb conference?
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(08-06-2020 10:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 10:24 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 10:12 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 09:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Only watchable non ACC opponent is UCF. Should have just canceled these games.

It's just a TV money grab.

If no one's watching the games, how much money are they making?

The rights fees for all games, other than those on ACCN, should not be affected by low ratings. Rights fees are set in advance based on the network's guess of the value to pay the fees, and are at their risk so long as the conference satisfies its obligations under the contract. The ACC has reduced its total game inventory available to ESPN by around 11 games, but this reduction is essentially all FCS games, several of which would have been placed on ACCNX. I'm guessing that ESPN will not be demanding a reduction in rights fees based on this change.

If viewership is down on ACCN, however, this would result in a reduction in rights fees. In particular, ESPN would be required to offer "make goods" to advertisers, which would reduce the profitability of ACCN and therefore the distribution to ACC members.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Also, it's important to ESPN and the ACCN to have live sports in order to keep cable and OTT providers from dropping the channels and/or demanding to pay lower fees, I would think. I read somewhere that most contracts allow for cancellations as long as the programming is made up within one year - but if the season is cancelled and not made up, that would trigger all sorts of clauses...

For the 2019 season, ACC controlled games were televised as follows:

ABC 11 games (including ACC CCG)
ABC/ESPN2 split national 1 game
ESPN 12 games
ESPN2 5
ESPNU 2
ESPNews 1 (FSU game moved from ESPN due to hurricane)
ACCN 41
RSNs 17
ACCNX 3

Total: 93 games

This year, the ACC has 85 games to offer. There is undoubtedly a required minimum number of games. 84 reflects 6 home games for each school (except ND) plus the CCG, which seems like a potential minimum. There is an overall reduction in inventory of 8 games, but 3 games were shown on ACCNX, so the reduction in the number available for networks is only 5 games.

Critically, 15 of the 2019 games were against FCS opponents. So far, only 2 FCS games have been scheduled, which could be increased to no more than 4 depending on who UNC and Clemson ultimately schedule as their OOC opponents.

Of the 2019 ACC controlled games, only 62 were P5 vs P5 matchups, 56 conference games, 5 OOC games, and the CCG. This year, there will be 71 P5 vs. P5 matchups, 70 conference games (excluding ND home games) and the CCG.

Beyond the total number of games, the ACC has made a large number of games available during the early part of the season, when both the SEC and P12 will not have any games. By offering 9 games each of these weekends, the ACC is helping ESPN fill a huge programming hole.

In general, while the number of games provided to ESPN has been reduced slightly, the conference shouldn't have problem meeting its minimum obligations (or if it misses slightly it should be immaterial). Further, the quality of the games has been increased substantially, and the timing of the games will provide excellent value to ESPN. The ACC should see no reduction in payout from ESPN for football.
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That's a good analysis right there!
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Looks like the UCF game will survive. I presume this is a bone from Stansbury given the O'Leary/Key/Godsey/Stansbury ties.

Looks like every other ACC team did as I said when it was clear the SEC games were off and filled with FCS.

Of course GT-UCF still being on the schedule means one thing: the odds of no football in the fall just shot up astronomically. Either that or expect a hurricane in Florida mid-September.
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(08-06-2020 12:26 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Looks like the UCF game will survive. I presume this is a bone from Stansbury given the O'Leary/Key/Godsey/Stansbury ties.

Looks like every other ACC team did as I said when it was clear the SEC games were off and filled with FCS.

Of course GT-UCF still being on the schedule means one thing: the odds of no football in the fall just shot up astronomically. Either that or expect a hurricane in Florida mid-September.



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