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(07-30-2020 03:49 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Wonder what/if bowl season would look like. If leagues are determining it is not safe to have OOC games, what rationale/justification would there be for bowl games? Same thing for the CFP - because there is no possible way to determine a seeding now (especially with five power conferences).

Supposing there is a CFP, they'd just eyeball it like always.
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(07-30-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're really going to have no basis for determining the CFP if its close.

With conference championship games getting pushed back until the latter half of December, I personally don't see *any* bowls happening this year (CFP or not).

This might be a retro season where the champ is decided by the AP Poll (assuming any games get played at all, which I'm becoming more skeptical of with each passing day).
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(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, and Clemson.

Georgia Tech too. Odds are there won't be much of a season at all anyway, though.
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(07-30-2020 04:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're really going to have no basis for determining the CFP if its close.

With conference championship games getting pushed back until the latter half of December, I personally don't see *any* bowls happening this year (CFP or not).

This might be a retro season where the champ is decided by the AP Poll (assuming any games get played at all, which I'm becoming more skeptical of with each passing day).

The main reason they are trying so hard to play is money. There is massive money in the NY6. If the season happens, they will do everything they can to do the NY6. Can't see there being 39 bowls, though.
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(07-30-2020 04:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  I do think this is going to increase the possibility of realignment in the next 5 years.

Right now they are throwing out the book and re-working things. They will be thinking outside the box and considering alternatives.

It will be interesting, although I think the more immediate possible (probable?) change is playoff expansion to 8 teams. Whatever reasons different factions might have had previously to reject an 8-team playoff will go out the window with the hunt for revenue to make up for this lost 2020. No one is going to leave any revenue laying on the table from 2021 going forward.
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(07-30-2020 04:14 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  I do think this is going to increase the possibility of realignment in the next 5 years.

Right now they are throwing out the book and re-working things. They will be thinking outside the box and considering alternatives.

It will be interesting, although I think the more immediate possible (probable?) change is playoff expansion to 8 teams. Whatever reasons different factions might have had previously to reject an 8-team playoff will go out the window with the hunt for revenue to make up for this lost 2020. No one is going to leave any revenue laying on the table from 2021 going forward.

Well if noone if playing more than 11 games, a quarterfinal could be a flexible game 11 or 12.
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(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, and Clemson.

Why on earth would the SEC base its schedule on how it impacts Louisville, FSU, and Clemson?
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(07-30-2020 04:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, and Clemson.

Why on earth would the SEC base its schedule on how it impacts Louisville, FSU, and Clemson?

I was actually thinking they'd do a +1 to marry up to the ACC's decision. Those in-state rivalry week games get pretty good ratings.
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I don't think there will be any bowls. Only conference championship bragging rights this year.

As soon as schools can send students home, as early as Thanksgiving, they will. And they wont reassemble until sometime in January. Bowls make no sense in that environment. Also alumni will not travel, and there wont be fans. So why bother.

The B12, AAC and MWC really don't have any choice but to go with a conference only schedule. The same is true of C-USA, MAC and SBC if they they even try to have a season. Half of FCS has shut it down, and I think the other half will soon as well -- most don't have the resources to expend on covid protocols for their athletics, and some like the Pioneer have teams made up heavily of general student body rather than scholarship athletes.

What the heck will Independents like BYU, UConn, UMass, Army and Liberty do? It's not realistic to form a conference and set up protocols this late. The others have been working for months. To have a season they would have to team up with an existing conference like Notre Dame did.
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Buy games canceled by the SEC decision:

Sun Belt ..... 8
CUSA ......... 6
MAC ........... 4
MW ............ 4
AAC ............. 3
Independent .. 3

Southern ...... 4
Ohio Valley ... 3
Southland ..... 3
SWAC .......... 2
Big South ...... 1
Big Sky ......... 1
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(07-30-2020 04:21 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, and Clemson.

Why on earth would the SEC base its schedule on how it impacts Louisville, FSU, and Clemson?

I was actually thinking they'd do a +1 to marry up to the ACC's decision. Those in-state rivalry week games get pretty good ratings.

This year, 3 of the 4 games were in the ACC package. I think the ACC was trying to tease the SEC into joining them with their plus one format and allowed in state road game, but the SEC didn't bite. The SEC loses one game for their TV package, UGA at GT. At this point, it seems likely the ACC's plus one games are going to be very weak matchups with minimum TV value.
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(07-30-2020 04:25 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I don't think there will be any bowls. Only conference championship bragging rights this year.

As soon as schools can send students home, as early as Thanksgiving, they will. And they wont reassemble until sometime in January. Bowls make no sense in that environment. Also alumni will not travel, and there wont be fans. So why bother.

The B12, AAC and MWC really don't have any choice but to go with a conference only schedule. The same is true of C-USA, MAC and SBC if they they even try to have a season. Half of FCS has shut it down, and I think the other half will soon as well -- most don't have the resources to expend on covid protocols for their athletics, and some like the Pioneer have teams made up heavily of general student body rather than scholarship athletes.

What the heck will Independents like BYU, UConn, UMass, Army and Liberty do? It's not realistic to form a conference and set up protocols this late. The others have been working for months. To have a season they would have to team up with an existing conference like Notre Dame did.

Maybe Big 12 lets BYU play as 11th member to get a 10-game round robin? And the others assimilate into MAC, Sunbelt or CUSA to ease travel? Have to think Army-Navy gets played.
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(07-30-2020 04:28 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:21 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, and Clemson.

Why on earth would the SEC base its schedule on how it impacts Louisville, FSU, and Clemson?

I was actually thinking they'd do a +1 to marry up to the ACC's decision. Those in-state rivalry week games get pretty good ratings.

This year, 3 of the 4 games were in the ACC package. I think the ACC was trying to tease the SEC into joining them with their plus one format and allowed in state road game, but the SEC didn't bite. The SEC loses one game for their TV package, UGA at GT.

Yeah it was worth a try, but now that the SEC didn't bite, does the ACC keep that OOC slot or revert to all-conference too?
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So who does the Big 12 add for this season only to facilitate a 10th conference game like everyone else? I’d guess BYU would be the simplest from a contractual standpoint. Houston or SMU to keep it more regional?
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(07-30-2020 03:51 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Seriously, seriously mad at the leadership right now - unless this is just some sort of silly pretense to cancelling the entire season it's hard to see how this makes sense.

Personally, if we can't even play Clemson there isn't much point to even having as season.

So the only game you go to is SC/Clemson?
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(07-30-2020 04:33 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  So who does the Big 12 add for this season only to facilitate a 10th conference game like everyone else? I’d guess BYU would be the simplest from a contractual standpoint. Houston or SMU to keep it more regional?

No one. Everyone gets a rematch and no one has to share with an 11th member.
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(07-30-2020 04:11 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, and Clemson.

Georgia Tech too. Odds are there won't be much of a season at all anyway, though.

But Georgia's scheduled to host in 2020. It doesn't mean as much if fans aren't allowed in the stands or there is limited capacity but it also affects television rights. Now in the case of Georgia, if they replace Georgia Tech with LSU they'd probably get better TV ratings and more money (Georgia was already scheduled to play Alabama in 2020 but in Tuscaloosa). Then again, if Georgia replaces the home game with Georgia Tech with a home game with one of the Mississippi schools, they will probably lose money.

In the case of Florida State, they are replacing Florida with two additional ACC opponents. Florida State will play at Notre Dame in 2020 which I'm pretty sure they weren't originally scheduled to do this season. Replacing Florida with Notre Dame might improve the TV ratings/money for FSU (not sure since Florida is their biggest rival). But if that game airs on NBC and all the money goes to Notre Dame, Florida State gets screwed. Florida State will play Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Pitt, and Virginia at home. Clemson and Virginia are divisional opponents that they would have played at home in 2020 had it been a normal season. If I'm a Florida State fan, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, and Pitt all seem like pretty big downgrades compared to Florida.
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Here's whats not cancelled on each ACC teams schedule meeting the in state requirement.

BC - none
Clemson - Citadel*
Duke - Middle Tennessee, Charlotte, Elon*
FSU - Samford*
GT - UCF, Gardner-Webb*
Louisville - Western Kentucky, Murray State*
Miami - Temple, UAB, Wagner*
NC State - Liberty
UNC - Uconn, James Madison*
ND - Navy (It's away right now but they're going to play Navy)
Pitt - none
Syracuse - Liberty
Virginia - Uconn, @ODU
VT - Liberty, North Alabama*
WF - App State

*FCS, not sure if they'll be able to meet the testing requirements.
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(07-30-2020 04:14 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  I do think this is going to increase the possibility of realignment in the next 5 years.

Right now they are throwing out the book and re-working things. They will be thinking outside the box and considering alternatives.

It will be interesting, although I think the more immediate possible (probable?) change is playoff expansion to 8 teams. Whatever reasons different factions might have had previously to reject an 8-team playoff will go out the window with the hunt for revenue to make up for this lost 2020. No one is going to leave any revenue laying on the table from 2021 going forward.

Agreed. If ESPN puts a big pile of new money on the table for an 8-team playoff, the powers-that-be will figure out a way to pull the plug on the remaining CFP years and take the money. (ESPN is the only network that could make a new deal right away, because ESPN has the CFP tied up for several more years.)

I don't think ESPN wants further P5 realignment, because the experience of the last decade tells them that realignment just means ESPN has to pay more. If it happens they'll deal with it, but they are not going to incentivize it.
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Here's the Big 12 games still on schedule.

Baylor - Louisiana Tech, Incarnate Word*
Iowa State - UNLV, South Dakota*
Kansas - @ Coastal Carolina, Southern Illinois*
Kansas State - North Dakota*
Oklahoma - @ Army, Missouri State*
Oklahoma State - Tulsa, Western Illinois*
TCU - @ SMU
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