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(07-28-2020 07:58 AM)biglizard Wrote:  No matter what you say, your opinions on this aren’t congruent with any physicians that I know... you three are definite outliers.

I would suggest you expand your circle.

Are your opinions and laissez faire attitudes about exposures and loosening restrictions based on the severely reduced cases and income the initial lockdowns caused? If so, that’s certainly understandable, but obviously extremely biased.

I'll put up with a lot. Not this. The suggestion that my medical judgement is based on my income is a bridge too far. I'd be happy to correct you in person. And these aren't "attitudes'. I've been in medicine in one form or another (including immunology research) for 35 years. I trained during the initial AIDS epidemic in the mid 80's when we didn't know how it was transmitted but we knew it was a universal death sentence. This doesn't rise to that level, it's not even in the same time zone. My opinion is also based on things like, you know, data.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid...L1c5aMRbIw



Football related neurologic and musculoskeletal injuries are a known and intrinsic part of the game. Players go into competition knowing the risk of those type of injuries with eyes wide open. Exposure to a novel virus that could lead to long term health issues, death, or spread to other at-risk individuals is not an intrinsic part of the game.

I don’t think any of us are paralyzed with fear. Some of us are just more cautious than others and realize that attempting college football is not feasible nor safe. I understand that we will probably attempt a season in some modified way, but I think there is a near zero chance the season plays out to full completion.

I again assert that these students are safer in the AD environment than being in the general student population. The season may not happen at all, it may happen in full or somewhere in between. But let's not pretend that shortening or cancelling the season is somehow tied to athlete safety. It doesn't pass the sniff test.

Mods feel free to delete my post. Feel free to ban me. Feel free to hang me in effigy. I just don't care anymore
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I for one appreciate your posts. Please don't stop.

(07-29-2020 12:30 PM)bftb Wrote:  

(07-28-2020 07:58 AM)biglizard Wrote:  No matter what you say, your opinions on this aren’t congruent with any physicians that I know... you three are definite outliers.

I would suggest you expand your circle.

Are your opinions and laissez faire attitudes about exposures and loosening restrictions based on the severely reduced cases and income the initial lockdowns caused? If so, that’s certainly understandable, but obviously extremely biased.

I'll put up with a lot. Not this. The suggestion that my medical judgement is based on my income is a bridge too far. I'd be happy to correct you in person. And these aren't "attitudes'. I've been in medicine in one form or another (including immunology research) for 35 years. I trained during the initial AIDS epidemic in the mid 80's when we didn't know how it was transmitted but we knew it was a universal death sentence. This doesn't rise to that level, it's not even in the same time zone. My opinion is also based on things like, you know, data.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid...L1c5aMRbIw



Football related neurologic and musculoskeletal injuries are a known and intrinsic part of the game. Players go into competition knowing the risk of those type of injuries with eyes wide open. Exposure to a novel virus that could lead to long term health issues, death, or spread to other at-risk individuals is not an intrinsic part of the game.

I don’t think any of us are paralyzed with fear. Some of us are just more cautious than others and realize that attempting college football is not feasible nor safe. I understand that we will probably attempt a season in some modified way, but I think there is a near zero chance the season plays out to full completion.

I again assert that these students are safer in the AD environment than being in the general student population. The season may not happen at all, it may happen in full or somewhere in between. But let's not pretend that shortening or cancelling the season is somehow tied to athlete safety. It doesn't pass the sniff test.

Mods feel free to delete my post. Feel free to ban me. Feel free to hang me in effigy. I just don't care anymore

I for one appreciate your posts. Please don't stop.
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You won't get banned for an honest opinion on any side of this that is presented in a non-incendiary manner. Just keep this "argument" within reason and within this thread. We don't want every single thread devolving into the same type thing as everyone will never agree.

Name-calling, childish threatening, baiting others into responding or professing that your opinion is more valid than others and anyone is stupid for having an differing opinion may get someone a time out.

(07-29-2020 11:50 AM)UABFRENCHY Wrote:  the football player part was a joke .....AA in usa are in general is worse shape ,,,for xyz reasons and it is sad ...
.quebec doesnt t have AA because we dont use the word related to a continent ,"),,but the majority of black people in quebec are from HAITI , and African country who speak french (and many African country speak french)

Haiti is not an African country, unless Africa means Caribbean in French

(07-29-2020 01:33 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 11:50 AM)UABFRENCHY Wrote:  the football player part was a joke .....AA in usa are in general is worse shape ,,,for xyz reasons and it is sad ...
.quebec doesnt t have AA because we dont use the word related to a continent ,"),,but the majority of black people in quebec are from HAITI , and African country who speak french (and many African country speak french)

Haiti is not an African country, unless Africa means Caribbean in French

I read this as he meant African "countries" rather than "country". I'm certain that he knows where Haiti is on a map. English is not his primary language. You know this. I know this. We all know this.

Can we all grant each other a little grace?

Google just taught me that Caribbean is Caraïbes in French and Africa is Afrique.

First I didnt said Haiti was an African Country
If i said it ,,i didnt want too ,,sorry

I am sorry if I offended anyone with my comments earlier. It is still my opinion that Frenchie has made multiple comments and insinuations about the current coronavirus pandemic that make it seem less serious than it is, downplay the importance of masking/social distancing, insinuating that a large number of doctors agree with his opinions, and that it is safe to play college football this year, etc. Despite this, I regret attacking others and lumping them in with Frenchie.

Frenchie -- have you heard about the recent outbreak in the MLB? College football has an order of magnitude higher number of teams, players, coaches/staff, has a larger geographical footprint, college players do not have the motivation of potentially losing millions of dollars if they do not play, etc.... How can anyone think this will be successful in college football?

(07-29-2020 03:06 PM)UABFRENCHY Wrote:  First I didnt said Haiti was an African Country
If i said it ,,i didnt want too ,,sorry

Frenchy,

I appreciate your prospective from the inside. Go Blazers!

(07-29-2020 03:30 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 03:06 PM)UABFRENCHY Wrote:  First I didnt said Haiti was an African Country
If i said it ,,i didnt want too ,,sorry

Frenchy,

I appreciate your prospective from the inside. Go Blazers!

With the caveat that he is not an infectious diseases specialist, epidemiologist, pulmonologist, ICU doc, or even an internist/family medicine doc..

My son was positive for Covid. I'm still running a fever so I probably have it too. Test results in a few days.

Go Blazers

I hope recovers quickly and that you are alright.

(07-29-2020 05:03 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  I hope recovers quickly and that you are alright.

Thanks. Not that bad for me so far. Headache and low grade fever. My son's had it worse, been like a pretty rough "stomach flu" for about a week. The headache is fierce for both of us.

(07-29-2020 05:21 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 05:03 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  I hope recovers quickly and that you are alright.

Thanks. Not that bad for me so far. Headache and low grade fever. My son's had it worse, been like a pretty rough "stomach flu" for about a week. The headache is fierce for both of us.

How old is your son? Which of you infected the other ( or did both of you appear to get it from someone else)?? Just curious, not trying to be nosy. Your answers might be illuminating ( and eye opening) for some of those who are doubters about many aspects of this pandemic.

(07-29-2020 03:24 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Frenchie -- have you heard about the recent outbreak in the MLB? College football has an order of magnitude higher number of teams, players, coaches/staff, has a larger geographical footprint, college players do not have the motivation of potentially losing millions of dollars if they do not play, etc.... How can anyone think this will be successful in college football?

What? MLB has had one team (Miami) suspend their schedule with 18 positive tests. Not one other team has had to cancel games except those that just played the Marlins and that’s to disinfect the visiting clubhouse. Protocols leading to one out of 30 teams suspend operations is pretty good. That would translate to 4 out of 130 (or a similar ratio if some of the 130 drop out. They don’t allow fans, either though, and I haven’t heard any FBS team wanting that model. But can be done.

The advantage, of course, is that MLB can mandate team/staff protocols to be uniform across the league. NCAA can’t.


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(07-30-2020 12:54 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 03:24 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Frenchie -- have you heard about the recent outbreak in the MLB? College football has an order of magnitude higher number of teams, players, coaches/staff, has a larger geographical footprint, college players do not have the motivation of potentially losing millions of dollars if they do not play, etc.... How can anyone think this will be successful in college football?

What? MLB has had one team (Miami) suspend their schedule with 18 positive tests. Not one other team has had to cancel games except those that just played the Marlins and that’s to disinfect the visiting clubhouse. Protocols leading to one out of 30 teams suspend operations is pretty good. That would translate to 4 out of 130 (or a similar ratio if some of the 130 drop out. They don’t allow fans, either though, and I haven’t heard any FBS team wanting that model. But can be done.

The advantage, of course, is that MLB can mandate team/staff protocols to be uniform across the league. NCAA can’t.


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They supposedly had all that in place, and marlins players decided themselves to play even with positive tests. If pro athletes with millions on the line do something stupid like that, what’s going to stop a college kid with very little comparatively to lose

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2956...oronavirus


Just one team right?

(07-30-2020 01:22 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2956...oronavirus


Just one team right?

Sorry. Didn’t see that this morning. Just one player, but staff/player makes no diff. Did the Marlins just sink the entire season for everyone? Yikes.

MLS has done well, with an exciting event, too. We’ll see how they do when they resume the full travel of the regular season. I expect NHL will do well with playoffs keeping teams in hub cities. Isn’t that what NBA plans to do, also?

Hub cities not remotely an option for MLB, NFL, or college sports.


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(07-30-2020 01:22 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2956...oronavirus
Just one team right?

All because a couple of Marlins players couldn't adhere to protocols and went on the town during their exhibition games in Atlanta last week. Those two should be fined out the bleep.

(07-30-2020 02:24 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(07-30-2020 01:22 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2956...oronavirus
Just one team right?

All because a couple of Marlins players couldn't adhere to protocols and went on the town during their exhibition games in Atlanta last week. Those two should be fined out the bleep.

IF just one of them - staff or player - dies from C-19 symptoms how the hell does MLB justify playing any more games this year? They can’t even fine the entire Marlins franchise the amount of $$ MLB and players would lose (which was the entire reason for making this attempt at all). FUBAR


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(07-30-2020 02:24 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(07-30-2020 01:22 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2956...oronavirus
Just one team right?

All because a couple of Marlins players couldn't adhere to protocols and went on the town during their exhibition games in Atlanta last week. Those two should be fined out the bleep.

That’s kind of my main point.. if professional athletes are doing dumb stuff like this with so much on the line, how do we expect college students to not do dumb stuff? Doing dumb stuff is a hallmark of being in college..

Lou Williams Of the NBA did something similar, left the bubble to go to a strip club with jack Harlow - and his team is a top 3 contender for an nba title.. Players leaving the bubble to get take out food...

(07-30-2020 11:42 AM)BlazrDawg Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 05:21 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 05:03 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  I hope recovers quickly and that you are alright.

Thanks. Not that bad for me so far. Headache and low grade fever. My son's had it worse, been like a pretty rough "stomach flu" for about a week. The headache is fierce for both of us.

How old is your son? Which of you infected the other ( or did both of you appear to get it from someone else)?? Just curious, not trying to be nosy. Your answers might be illuminating ( and eye opening) for some of those who are doubters about many aspects of this pandemic.

He's 23, ex college athlete who is still in very good shape. He started feeling poorly last Wednesday. Got tested on Friday. He was real sick (GI) this weekend but hasn't had any fever. He's also been real congested with a sporadic cough.

I'm 52 and exercise regularly. No real underlying conditions. I started feeling kinda crappy on Saturday but didn't have any fever until Monday. So far for me it's been a low grade fever and constant headache. Fatigue and headache our common symptoms. He's slowly improving but still feels "really weird". I've stayed about the same since Monday.

We've both worn masks and tried to follow recommendations since the beginning of this ordeal. Did the best we could. Hope nobody else on BlazerTalk catches it but that's probably not realistic.