(07-27-2020 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:02 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This sure doesn’t help our case to play football this fall.

not at all. And you know the college presidents are watching this.

Indeed...

(07-27-2020 11:46 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  This is a good reason to just cancel the Marlins permanently. Replace them in a few years with an expansion team in Montreal or Portland.

And yet they have won two World Series in their franchise history (under 30 years). Go figure.

Would love for Montreal to get a franchise back (or another Canadian franchise). You have to imagine Las Vegas will be on the fast track too. I don't think MLB is at the point where it can expand (not enough talent, IMO, to go around); however, with expanded playoffs (and the possibility of that becoming a regular thing), who knows?

(07-27-2020 12:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:46 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  This is a good reason to just cancel the Marlins permanently. Replace them in a few years with an expansion team in Montreal or Portland.

And yet they have won two World Series in their franchise history (under 30 years). Go figure.

Would love for Montreal to get a franchise back (or another Canadian franchise). You have to imagine Las Vegas will be on the fast track too. I don't think MLB is at the point where it can expand (not enough talent, IMO, to go around); however, with expanded playoffs (and the possibility of that becoming a regular thing), who knows?

I think with the $$$ situation it's a LOCK that we're expanding to 32 after the new CBA. It's easy money for the owners....

(07-27-2020 12:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:46 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  This is a good reason to just cancel the Marlins permanently. Replace them in a few years with an expansion team in Montreal or Portland.

And yet they have won two World Series in their franchise history (under 30 years). Go figure.

Would love for Montreal to get a franchise back (or another Canadian franchise). You have to imagine Las Vegas will be on the fast track too. I don't think MLB is at the point where it can expand (not enough talent, IMO, to go around); however, with expanded playoffs (and the possibility of that becoming a regular thing), who knows?

They bought two World Series teams and then had massive fire sales right thereafter because no one in Miami cares. Otherwise, they have never made the playoffs. They've had 6 winning seasons in 27 years. It's a horrible franchise, and Derek Jeter is just making them worse.

(07-27-2020 11:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:15 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  And this is only one series in. Imagine if this was a week or two in: instead of the Phillies/Yankees also getting postponed, we could be looking at two, even three, other series getting postponed too. We'd be looking at nearly an entire section of MLB getting shut down (East).

The disappointing thing is that if this still occurred with all of the expensive and costly measures in-place to prevent this, this doesn't bode well for college/HS sports for Fall either (as Stever points out). Colleges (at least very few) do not have the same resources and financial backing to commit to these radical measures long-term (several months, full year) like billion dollar professional leagues do. However, even if you do commit to a bubble strategy (like the NBA), all it takes is one Lou Williams to wing it and strip everything down.

NFL teams are larger, with more staff, and with greater physical contact. If baseball can't do it successfully, I'm not sure how other sports do as well.

I see what you did there....

That is good.

I suspect college football decisionmakers will kick the can down the road until next week and see how this plays out in MLB before making any further announcements.

(07-27-2020 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:46 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  This is a good reason to just cancel the Marlins permanently. Replace them in a few years with an expansion team in Montreal or Portland.

Portland?

Ha Ha who wants to support a team in that sh!thole

Plenty of people - Portland is a better city than most.

Yes their downtown is so inviting

Portland had to first pay for the destruction they allowed. I hope the Feds tell them to pound sand. Then they need to change their leadership ( realistically this should happen ASAP). You think the shrinking middle class will want to pay for a stadium?

It isn't happening.

(07-27-2020 12:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:46 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  This is a good reason to just cancel the Marlins permanently. Replace them in a few years with an expansion team in Montreal or Portland.

Portland?

Ha Ha who wants to support a team in that sh!thole

Plenty of people - Portland is a better city than most.

Yes their downtown is so inviting

Portland had to first pay for the destruction they allowed. I hope the Feds tell them to pound sand. Then they need to change their leadership ( realistically this should happen ASAP). You think the shrinking middle class will want to pay for a stadium?

It isn't happening.

Can we keep the Spin Room **** in the Spin Room please?

Marlins have done so much to ruin baseball.

'97 should've been the Indians World Series. Instead, the Indians will never win the World Series before the name is retired.

'03 should've been a Cubs-Red Sox World Series in a battle of the curses.

The worst sports market in America clogs up an MLB (Montreal Expos) and NHL (Quebec Nordiques) spot a better fan base deserves.

(07-27-2020 12:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Marlins have done so much to ruin baseball.

'97 should've been the Indians World Series. Instead, the Indians will never win the World Series before the name is retired.

'03 should've been a Cubs-Red Sox World Series in a battle of the curses.

The worst sports market in America clogs up an MLB (Montreal Expos) and NHL (Quebec Nordiques) spot a better fan base deserves.

The Marlins haven't done anything extraordinary. They won 2 WS as a wild card.

That's on MLB.

They have ownership that doesn't care if a winner is on the field, or is potentially following the mantra of having something that's "good enough", instead of championship quality. With the dawn of the wild card, you only have to be "good enough" and not have to win your division to make it to the postseason.

Imagine if the '93 Giants (103-59 and went home) played in an era of the wildcard, or the 2nd place 1954 AL team.

You can compare the current Marlins ownership to the Griffith family or the Mack family as owners go. Owners that dont want to win or don't have the capital to win is nothing new.

If a team does relocate out of Florida, it will be the Rays, not the Marlins, IMO. That Montreal/Tampa Bay split concept was ridiculously awful. The Rays, while competitive, have an out-of-date stadium (Marlins have a brand new one), with limited resources (the Marlins have at least spent at various points, and won) and a city that refuses to let them out of their lease (or allow them to build a new stadium).

(07-27-2020 12:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If a team does relocate out of Florida, it will be the Rays, not the Marlins, IMO. That Montreal/Tampa Bay split concept was ridiculously awful. The Rays, while competitive, have an out-of-date stadium (Marlins have a brand new one), with limited resources (the Marlins have at least spent at various points, and won) and a city that refuses to let them out of their lease (or allow them to build a new stadium).

St. Pete issued an RFP for bids to re-develop the Trop site earlier this week. They seem to be ready to let the Rays leave.

I hate to see it, because the Rays are such a better franchise than the Marlins. But if they move elsewhere, hopefully it'll be somewhere they get the fan support they deserve. Montreal, Portland, Vancouver, wherever...all will be a big upgrade on the support they get locally in Tampa-St. Pete.

The Marlins are in one of the biggest markets in the country and don't draw flies unless they are in the playoffs (which they have been just twice in 27 years). It's deader than a Rice game or a Tulane game in the Super Dome.

(07-27-2020 12:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 11:46 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  This is a good reason to just cancel the Marlins permanently. Replace them in a few years with an expansion team in Montreal or Portland.

And yet they have won two World Series in their franchise history (under 30 years). Go figure.

Would love for Montreal to get a franchise back (or another Canadian franchise). You have to imagine Las Vegas will be on the fast track too. I don't think MLB is at the point where it can expand (not enough talent, IMO, to go around); however, with expanded playoffs (and the possibility of that becoming a regular thing), who knows?

They bought two World Series teams and then had massive fire sales right thereafter because no one in Miami cares. Otherwise, they have never made the playoffs. They've had 6 winning seasons in 27 years. It's a horrible franchise, and Derek Jeter is just making them worse.

Derek Jeter is doing what he is paid to do - operate the Yankee's AAAA feeder team.

(07-27-2020 12:45 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If a team does relocate out of Florida, it will be the Rays, not the Marlins, IMO. That Montreal/Tampa Bay split concept was ridiculously awful. The Rays, while competitive, have an out-of-date stadium (Marlins have a brand new one), with limited resources (the Marlins have at least spent at various points, and won) and a city that refuses to let them out of their lease (or allow them to build a new stadium).

St. Pete issued an RFP for bids to re-develop the Trop site earlier this week. They seem to be ready to let the Rays leave.

I hate to see it, because the Rays are such a better franchise than the Marlins. But if they move elsewhere, hopefully it'll be somewhere they get the fan support they deserve. Montreal, Portland, Vancouver, wherever...all will be a big upgrade on the support they get locally in Tampa-St. Pete.

The Marlins are in one of the biggest markets in the country and don't draw flies unless they are in the playoffs (which they have been just twice in 27 years). It's deader than a Rice game or a Tulane game in the Super Dome.

Is Marlins stadium nice? Haven't been to Miami in a few years. Was interested in seeing a game there. Thought the retractable roof would help fan support (obviously it hasn't).

(07-27-2020 12:45 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If a team does relocate out of Florida, it will be the Rays, not the Marlins, IMO. That Montreal/Tampa Bay split concept was ridiculously awful. The Rays, while competitive, have an out-of-date stadium (Marlins have a brand new one), with limited resources (the Marlins have at least spent at various points, and won) and a city that refuses to let them out of their lease (or allow them to build a new stadium).

St. Pete issued an RFP for bids to re-develop the Trop site earlier this week. They seem to be ready to let the Rays leave.

I hate to see it, because the Rays are such a better franchise than the Marlins. But if they move elsewhere, hopefully it'll be somewhere they get the fan support they deserve. Montreal, Portland, Vancouver, wherever...all will be a big upgrade on the support they get locally in Tampa-St. Pete.

The Marlins are in one of the biggest markets in the country and don't draw flies unless they are in the playoffs (which they have been just twice in 27 years). It's deader than a Rice game or a Tulane game in the Super Dome.

If there isn't already a stadium ready to be expanded in Portland and bonds committed to that project, Portland will have other problems needing their attention more. Perhaps Montreal is ready to field another team -- they got completely jolted after the '94 season but I could understand MLB's reluctance to put a team back there. The fans left and never came back.

(07-27-2020 12:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Marlins have done so much to ruin baseball.

'97 should've been the Indians World Series. Instead, the Indians will never win the World Series before the name is retired.

'03 should've been a Cubs-Red Sox World Series in a battle of the curses.

The worst sports market in America clogs up an MLB (Montreal Expos) and NHL (Quebec Nordiques) spot a better fan base deserves.

The Marlins beat the Yankees in 2003. That Red Sox WS was in 04

(07-27-2020 01:30 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Marlins have done so much to ruin baseball.

'97 should've been the Indians World Series. Instead, the Indians will never win the World Series before the name is retired.

'03 should've been a Cubs-Red Sox World Series in a battle of the curses.

The worst sports market in America clogs up an MLB (Montreal Expos) and NHL (Quebec Nordiques) spot a better fan base deserves.

The Marlins beat the Yankees in 2003. That Red Sox WS was in 04

Which one was the year when Pedro Martinez threw Don Zimmer on his fat ass and he rolled like 8 times? That was the golden age.

(07-27-2020 12:59 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:45 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If a team does relocate out of Florida, it will be the Rays, not the Marlins, IMO. That Montreal/Tampa Bay split concept was ridiculously awful. The Rays, while competitive, have an out-of-date stadium (Marlins have a brand new one), with limited resources (the Marlins have at least spent at various points, and won) and a city that refuses to let them out of their lease (or allow them to build a new stadium).

St. Pete issued an RFP for bids to re-develop the Trop site earlier this week. They seem to be ready to let the Rays leave.

I hate to see it, because the Rays are such a better franchise than the Marlins. But if they move elsewhere, hopefully it'll be somewhere they get the fan support they deserve. Montreal, Portland, Vancouver, wherever...all will be a big upgrade on the support they get locally in Tampa-St. Pete.

The Marlins are in one of the biggest markets in the country and don't draw flies unless they are in the playoffs (which they have been just twice in 27 years). It's deader than a Rice game or a Tulane game in the Super Dome.

Is Marlins stadium nice? Haven't been to Miami in a few years. Was interested in seeing a game there. Thought the retractable roof would help fan support (obviously it hasn't).

I haven't been, but by all reports they spared no expense in building an incredibly nice stadium. You'll have the place to yourself.

(07-27-2020 01:12 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:45 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If a team does relocate out of Florida, it will be the Rays, not the Marlins, IMO. That Montreal/Tampa Bay split concept was ridiculously awful. The Rays, while competitive, have an out-of-date stadium (Marlins have a brand new one), with limited resources (the Marlins have at least spent at various points, and won) and a city that refuses to let them out of their lease (or allow them to build a new stadium).

St. Pete issued an RFP for bids to re-develop the Trop site earlier this week. They seem to be ready to let the Rays leave.

I hate to see it, because the Rays are such a better franchise than the Marlins. But if they move elsewhere, hopefully it'll be somewhere they get the fan support they deserve. Montreal, Portland, Vancouver, wherever...all will be a big upgrade on the support they get locally in Tampa-St. Pete.

The Marlins are in one of the biggest markets in the country and don't draw flies unless they are in the playoffs (which they have been just twice in 27 years). It's deader than a Rice game or a Tulane game in the Super Dome.

If there isn't already a stadium ready to be expanded in Portland and bonds committed to that project, Portland will have other problems needing their attention more. Perhaps Montreal is ready to field another team -- they got completely jolted after the '94 season but I could understand MLB's reluctance to put a team back there. The fans left and never came back.

Montreal did really well when the Blue Jays played some games there a year or two ago. I think it suggested to MLB that Montreal was ready for a return. Certainly it's hard to imagine support being worse than it is in Tampa.

Portland has some good infrastructure in place - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/portland-has...dium-site/
And the protesting and damage in Portland is actually quite limited. It's not going to distract from acquiring an MLB team.

(07-27-2020 01:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 01:30 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Marlins have done so much to ruin baseball.

'97 should've been the Indians World Series. Instead, the Indians will never win the World Series before the name is retired.

'03 should've been a Cubs-Red Sox World Series in a battle of the curses.

The worst sports market in America clogs up an MLB (Montreal Expos) and NHL (Quebec Nordiques) spot a better fan base deserves.

The Marlins beat the Yankees in 2003. That Red Sox WS was in 04

Which one was the year when Pedro Martinez threw Don Zimmer on his fat ass and he rolled like 8 times? That was the golden age.

That was 03 I believe haha.

With all the what-if threads we normally get on here, one of the biggest what-ifs in sports is the 1994 Montreal Expos. If they win a WS that year, or even just get to the WS, it advances a ton of revenue and fan support to a team that started losing it as soon as the strike ended. It's never good for anyone when a city loses a team to relocation. It's often used, wrongly, as a negotiating tactic for newer, nicer stadiums.

Hoping 30 for 30 does a piece on the '94 Expos, especially with all of the all-star players that played elsewhere afterwards. Would be a great story to see.