(06-14-2020 04:09 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 04:07 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  And a legacy Duke as well. The great thing about the guys Lou brought in is that none of them were trouble makers on or off the court.

Correct. Coach really did try to do things the right way. Gotta respect him for that, despite the losing.

It didn’t work out for rowe as a coach, and I’ve never met him, but by all accounts he appears to be a really good dude. And he is an alum who bleeds purple like all of us. I’ll be rooting for him in whatever his next venture is, in basketball or not in basketball.

And I hope we see him around the new arena and everyone gives him proper respect as a fellow Duke.

Lou Rowe is a good human being. I rooted so hard for his success. He recruited good young men. He ran a clean program. I wish he would’ve been successful.

Byington is the real deal. He is doing everything right. We will see a big improvement this year especially late in the season.

Coach B addressed engaging ex players and ex coaches about JMU and that he wants everyone to be a part of what they are building. Apparently he hasn’t spoken to Lefty but is close with Chuck- May be because Lefty is older and not in the greatest health.

I couldn’t help but wonder if he’s spoken with Lou Rowe or if it’s too raw yet. He said he’s spoken with Darren McLinton who is one of Lou’s close friends. Riley Trone even asked a question on the Duke Club session but I’m not sure if either the moderator or Coach B recognized that he was an ex player.

I also was curious if Coach B had spoken with Matt Brady or again if there is acrimony there still where Brady wouldn’t be interested in giving feedback to a JMU coach.

Saw these new hires on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/CoachTalley_/status/...3506874368

https://twitter.com/Pbitty_3/status/1284880646683361285

(07-20-2020 02:31 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Saw these new hires on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/CoachTalley_/status/...3506874368

https://twitter.com/Pbitty_3/status/1284880646683361285

Looks like Coach Talley was at Tallahassee CC last season. Interested to see what role he plays on the new staff. The other looks like media/marketing/video?

https://jmusports.com/sports/mens-basketball/coaches


They had several guys go D1 this spring/summer
Rifen Miguel - Ohio (HCLR was on him at one point)
Kailex Stephens - Indiana State
Yahel Hill - (HCLR was on him at one point in 2016)
Tariq Silver - Oregon State
Daivon Stephens - Coastal Carolina
Eric Hester - Prairie View A&M
DeAndre Gholston - UWisconsin-Milwaukee
Jordan Guest - College of Charleston



This is what it is like hiring a head coach who has a plan, knows how to build a staff, has contacts every where and is going after what he thinks will bring W's and championships to Harrisonburg.

(07-20-2020 02:31 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Saw these new hires on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/CoachTalley_/status/...3506874368

https://twitter.com/Pbitty_3/status/1284880646683361285

Bio on Jordan Talley for anyone interested. Funny enough, he coached at Tallahassee CC previously.
Seems like deep roots in the Florida area.

https://www.tcceagles.com/sports/mbkb/co...y?view=bio

(07-20-2020 03:07 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 02:31 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Saw these new hires on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/CoachTalley_/status/...3506874368

https://twitter.com/Pbitty_3/status/1284880646683361285

Looks like Coach Talley was at Tallahassee CC last season. Interested to see what role he plays on the new staff. The other looks like media/marketing/video?

https://jmusports.com/sports/mens-basketball/coaches


They had several guys go D1 this spring/summer
Rifen Miguel - Ohio (HCLR was on him at one point)
Kailex Stephens - Indiana State
Yahel Hill - (HCLR was on him at one point in 2016)
Tariq Silver - Oregon State
Daivon Stephens - Coastal Carolina
Eric Hester - Prairie View A&M
DeAndre Gholston - UWisconsin-Milwaukee
Jordan Guest - College of Charleston



This is what it is like hiring a head coach who has a plan, knows how to build a staff, has contacts every where and is going after what he thinks will bring W's and championships to Harrisonburg.

The successful coaches at JMU have always had very good assistants. Probably the most important thing Houston did. Lefty had great assistants. Lou had great assistants. Mickey Dean obviously had a great assistance. Kenny brooks had great assistants. Mickey Matthews was best when he has his best assistants in tact.

And on the other side - other than one assistant coach for one year Withers did not have good assistants.

(07-20-2020 04:20 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 03:07 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 02:31 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Saw these new hires on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/CoachTalley_/status/...3506874368

https://twitter.com/Pbitty_3/status/1284880646683361285

Looks like Coach Talley was at Tallahassee CC last season. Interested to see what role he plays on the new staff. The other looks like media/marketing/video?

https://jmusports.com/sports/mens-basketball/coaches


They had several guys go D1 this spring/summer
Rifen Miguel - Ohio (HCLR was on him at one point)
Kailex Stephens - Indiana State
Yahel Hill - (HCLR was on him at one point in 2016)
Tariq Silver - Oregon State
Daivon Stephens - Coastal Carolina
Eric Hester - Prairie View A&M
DeAndre Gholston - UWisconsin-Milwaukee
Jordan Guest - College of Charleston



This is what it is like hiring a head coach who has a plan, knows how to build a staff, has contacts every where and is going after what he thinks will bring W's and championships to Harrisonburg.

The successful coaches at JMU have always had very good assistants. Probably the most important thing Houston did. Lefty had great assistants. Lou had great assistants. Mickey Dean obviously had a great assistance. Kenny brooks had great assistants. Mickey Matthews was best when he has his best assistants in tact.

And on the other side - other than one assistant coach for one year Withers did not have good assistants.

Cause they were all kids who got their coaching experience from Madden football. I think some of them weren't even shaving yet.

(07-20-2020 05:12 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 04:20 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 03:07 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 02:31 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Saw these new hires on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/CoachTalley_/status/...3506874368

https://twitter.com/Pbitty_3/status/1284880646683361285

Looks like Coach Talley was at Tallahassee CC last season. Interested to see what role he plays on the new staff. The other looks like media/marketing/video?

https://jmusports.com/sports/mens-basketball/coaches


They had several guys go D1 this spring/summer
Rifen Miguel - Ohio (HCLR was on him at one point)
Kailex Stephens - Indiana State
Yahel Hill - (HCLR was on him at one point in 2016)
Tariq Silver - Oregon State
Daivon Stephens - Coastal Carolina
Eric Hester - Prairie View A&M
DeAndre Gholston - UWisconsin-Milwaukee
Jordan Guest - College of Charleston



This is what it is like hiring a head coach who has a plan, knows how to build a staff, has contacts every where and is going after what he thinks will bring W's and championships to Harrisonburg.

The successful coaches at JMU have always had very good assistants. Probably the most important thing Houston did. Lefty had great assistants. Lou had great assistants. Mickey Dean obviously had a great assistance. Kenny brooks had great assistants. Mickey Matthews was best when he has his best assistants in tact.

And on the other side - other than one assistant coach for one year Withers did not have good assistants.

Cause they were all kids who got their coaching experience from Madden football. I think some of them weren't even shaving yet.

Hiring the best people takes money. I kind of wonder how differently the staffing budgets compare from one coach to the next? It seemed to me Coach Rowe's bench looked a little short.

(07-20-2020 05:22 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 05:12 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 04:20 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 03:07 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 02:31 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Saw these new hires on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/CoachTalley_/status/...3506874368

https://twitter.com/Pbitty_3/status/1284880646683361285

Looks like Coach Talley was at Tallahassee CC last season. Interested to see what role he plays on the new staff. The other looks like media/marketing/video?

https://jmusports.com/sports/mens-basketball/coaches


They had several guys go D1 this spring/summer
Rifen Miguel - Ohio (HCLR was on him at one point)
Kailex Stephens - Indiana State
Yahel Hill - (HCLR was on him at one point in 2016)
Tariq Silver - Oregon State
Daivon Stephens - Coastal Carolina
Eric Hester - Prairie View A&M
DeAndre Gholston - UWisconsin-Milwaukee
Jordan Guest - College of Charleston



This is what it is like hiring a head coach who has a plan, knows how to build a staff, has contacts every where and is going after what he thinks will bring W's and championships to Harrisonburg.

The successful coaches at JMU have always had very good assistants. Probably the most important thing Houston did. Lefty had great assistants. Lou had great assistants. Mickey Dean obviously had a great assistance. Kenny brooks had great assistants. Mickey Matthews was best when he has his best assistants in tact.

And on the other side - other than one assistant coach for one year Withers did not have good assistants.

Cause they were all kids who got their coaching experience from Madden football. I think some of them weren't even shaving yet.

Hiring the best people takes money. I kind of wonder how differently the staffing budgets compare from one coach to the next? It seemed to me Coach Rowe's bench looked a little short.

I would be shocked if Byington had the same budget as Rowe. I hope the admin has finally realized you have to invest into the program to get results. I believe getting Byington was the first step. They second step is to invest in the rest of the staff as well. Perhaps Byington convinced them to invest more... I have no idea.
At the very least, he has a vision and appears he knows what he wants and the kind of people he wants surrounding him and this program. So far I've gotta say he's made some strong choices.

I believe the $100 million investment in a new facility encouraged the school to also increase the basketball budget.

(07-21-2020 07:43 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 05:22 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 05:12 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 04:20 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 03:07 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  Looks like Coach Talley was at Tallahassee CC last season. Interested to see what role he plays on the new staff. The other looks like media/marketing/video?

https://jmusports.com/sports/mens-basketball/coaches


They had several guys go D1 this spring/summer
Rifen Miguel - Ohio (HCLR was on him at one point)
Kailex Stephens - Indiana State
Yahel Hill - (HCLR was on him at one point in 2016)
Tariq Silver - Oregon State
Daivon Stephens - Coastal Carolina
Eric Hester - Prairie View A&M
DeAndre Gholston - UWisconsin-Milwaukee
Jordan Guest - College of Charleston



This is what it is like hiring a head coach who has a plan, knows how to build a staff, has contacts every where and is going after what he thinks will bring W's and championships to Harrisonburg.

The successful coaches at JMU have always had very good assistants. Probably the most important thing Houston did. Lefty had great assistants. Lou had great assistants. Mickey Dean obviously had a great assistance. Kenny brooks had great assistants. Mickey Matthews was best when he has his best assistants in tact.

And on the other side - other than one assistant coach for one year Withers did not have good assistants.

Cause they were all kids who got their coaching experience from Madden football. I think some of them weren't even shaving yet.

Hiring the best people takes money. I kind of wonder how differently the staffing budgets compare from one coach to the next? It seemed to me Coach Rowe's bench looked a little short.

I would be shocked if Byington had the same budget as Rowe. I hope the admin has finally realized you have to invest into the program to get results. I believe getting Byington was the first step. They second step is to invest in the rest of the staff as well. Perhaps Byington convinced them to invest more... I have no idea.
At the very least, he has a vision and appears he knows what he wants and the kind of people he wants surrounding him and this program. So far I've gotta say he's made some strong choices.

Wonder if coaching staff budget was part of his hiring negotiation?

I will say there is more than just money when it comes to assembling your assistants. It's also important, as a head coach, you are someone others would like to work for. Credit either way goes to Mark. I'd give him a grade of A on the assistants he's assembled.

(07-21-2020 12:46 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-21-2020 07:43 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 05:22 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 05:12 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 04:20 PM)Dukester Wrote:  The successful coaches at JMU have always had very good assistants. Probably the most important thing Houston did. Lefty had great assistants. Lou had great assistants. Mickey Dean obviously had a great assistance. Kenny brooks had great assistants. Mickey Matthews was best when he has his best assistants in tact.

And on the other side - other than one assistant coach for one year Withers did not have good assistants.

Cause they were all kids who got their coaching experience from Madden football. I think some of them weren't even shaving yet.

Hiring the best people takes money. I kind of wonder how differently the staffing budgets compare from one coach to the next? It seemed to me Coach Rowe's bench looked a little short.

I would be shocked if Byington had the same budget as Rowe. I hope the admin has finally realized you have to invest into the program to get results. I believe getting Byington was the first step. They second step is to invest in the rest of the staff as well. Perhaps Byington convinced them to invest more... I have no idea.
At the very least, he has a vision and appears he knows what he wants and the kind of people he wants surrounding him and this program. So far I've gotta say he's made some strong choices.

Wonder if coaching staff budget was part of his hiring negotiation?

I will say there is more than just money when it comes to assembling your assistants. It's also important, as a head coach, you are someone others would like to work for. Credit either way goes to Mark. I'd give him a grade of A on the assistants he's assembled.

I'm sure it probably was. He probably told them that if they want JMU to be successful, he's going to need money to pay good assistants.
I agree. If his off the court comments and actions are any indication, we finally have the right coach in charge of turning JMU around.
So far, I have no complaints.

My guess is Mike Deane was not likely that cheap.

I think Veteran coaches know to negotiate budgets for assistants. I'm not sure Lou came in with many demands.......

(07-21-2020 04:38 PM)Dukester Wrote:  My guess is Mike Deane was not likely that cheap.

I think Veteran coaches know to negotiate budgets for assistants. I'm not sure Lou came in with many demands.......

When you look at the context of Rowe (an alum, first job as HC and salary) it's hard to say he had much leverage to make any demands. At the same time, this was a dream job and perhaps was just thankful for the opportunity and didn't put many demands out there.
I also think the admin was in a different mindset where they thought they could get away with spending little money for a HC and expected big results.
I don't think Byington would have had as much leverage if JMU had some results with their plan.
Unfortunately they had to learn the hard way. But at least they learned.

Always felt like Rowe was a bridge in many ways based on the timing things going on with JMU Athletics and JMU MBB- stinks you punt on a major program for a few years and essentially give an unproven guy a shot to cut his teeth at JMU but that’s what ended up happening. I think both JMU and external candidates were more ready to take over the program and bring it back to a high level this go around.

(07-22-2020 11:41 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Always felt like Rowe was a bridge in many ways based on the timing things going on with JMU Athletics and JMU MBB- stinks you punt on a major program for a few years and essentially give an unproven guy a shot to cut his teeth at JMU but that’s what ended up happening. I think both JMU and external candidates were more ready to take over the program and bring it back to a high level this go around.

JMU has screwed up this hire way too many times to call it a bridge.
This hire was almost identical to Dillard except that Dillard had more experience as head coach (not much success, though).
Keener was another disaster hire.
Brady was the closest they ever got to getting it right.
Rowe was just going back to same broken strategy for coaching. I remember them saying he would bring excitement back into the program and being very underwhelmed when they introduced him.
At that time, the new arena was no longer a dream.. it was happening. I remember at the time feeling like we really needed some success before we got to the new arena.
I really wanted our first year in the Bank to be building off of success from the previous year. In a way this Covid thing did them a favor. While I'm excited about Byington, the average JMU fan may not be on board right away. We've been bad for so long it's going to take time before the fan base catches on. Having the first year in the arena not being full was a missed opportunity. Thankfully for the admin, they got a pass.

(07-22-2020 12:13 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-22-2020 11:41 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Always felt like Rowe was a bridge in many ways based on the timing things going on with JMU Athletics and JMU MBB- stinks you punt on a major program for a few years and essentially give an unproven guy a shot to cut his teeth at JMU but that’s what ended up happening. I think both JMU and external candidates were more ready to take over the program and bring it back to a high level this go around.

JMU has screwed up this hire way too many times to call it a bridge.
This hire was almost identical to Dillard except that Dillard had more experience as head coach (not much success, though).
Keener was another disaster hire.
Brady was the closest they ever got to getting it right.
Rowe was just going back to same broken strategy for coaching. I remember them saying he would bring excitement back into the program and being very underwhelmed when they introduced him.
At that time, the new arena was no longer a dream.. it was happening. I remember at the time feeling like we really needed some success before we got to the new arena.
I really wanted our first year in the Bank to be building off of success from the previous year. In a way this Covid thing did them a favor. While I'm excited about Byington, the average JMU fan may not be on board right away. We've been bad for so long it's going to take time before the fan base catches on. Having the first year in the arena not being full was a missed opportunity. Thankfully for the admin, they got a pass.

And they held on to Dillard for too long.

(07-22-2020 12:24 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-22-2020 12:13 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-22-2020 11:41 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Always felt like Rowe was a bridge in many ways based on the timing things going on with JMU Athletics and JMU MBB- stinks you punt on a major program for a few years and essentially give an unproven guy a shot to cut his teeth at JMU but that’s what ended up happening. I think both JMU and external candidates were more ready to take over the program and bring it back to a high level this go around.

JMU has screwed up this hire way too many times to call it a bridge.
This hire was almost identical to Dillard except that Dillard had more experience as head coach (not much success, though).
Keener was another disaster hire.
Brady was the closest they ever got to getting it right.
Rowe was just going back to same broken strategy for coaching. I remember them saying he would bring excitement back into the program and being very underwhelmed when they introduced him.
At that time, the new arena was no longer a dream.. it was happening. I remember at the time feeling like we really needed some success before we got to the new arena.
I really wanted our first year in the Bank to be building off of success from the previous year. In a way this Covid thing did them a favor. While I'm excited about Byington, the average JMU fan may not be on board right away. We've been bad for so long it's going to take time before the fan base catches on. Having the first year in the arena not being full was a missed opportunity. Thankfully for the admin, they got a pass.

And they held on to Dillard for too long.

1 year was too long.

(06-14-2020 06:42 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Coach B addressed engaging ex players and ex coaches about JMU and that he wants everyone to be a part of what they are building. Apparently he hasn’t spoken to Lefty but is close with Chuck- May be because Lefty is older and not in the greatest health.

I couldn’t help but wonder if he’s spoken with Lou Rowe or if it’s too raw yet. He said he’s spoken with Darren McLinton who is one of Lou’s close friends. Riley Trone even asked a question on the Duke Club session but I’m not sure if either the moderator or Coach B recognized that he was an ex player.

I also was curious if Coach B had spoken with Matt Brady or again if there is acrimony there still where Brady wouldn’t be interested in giving feedback to a JMU coach.

In all fairness, I believe Lou did the same thing in attempting to getting the alumni involved.