(07-16-2020 11:52 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: (07-16-2020 11:12 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: I'm not saying they protect the user--clearly they don;t. I am doubtful they do much at all in the general public settings they are encouraged to be used in, and I'll qualify that with the fact that many/most people are not wearing them properly or consistently to begin with.
What I and millions of other common sense American citizens are most opposed to as stupid is the mania from those people and officials who would mandate them in all situations, which is absurd. Again, if a private business requires them, I'll make my choice to either wear one and go in or not go at all. My choice, NOT the govt's. Or have Dems suddenly forgotten what "choice" means? The selectivity, illogic and inconsistency of today's Democrats, (as well as most all of their platform stances on issues) are why I would never consider voting for them, but their totalitarian mania doesn't help them either with most Americans, as we clearly saw in 2016 and will likely see again, despite the MSM telling us differently.
Agree. Unfortunately because of things like health department laws on grocery stores or where food is served, states have more control there. I do not favor mandates AT ALL... but I do strongly encourage sensible wearing of them... understanding why and how you're wearing them... understanding (at least generically) how diseases transmit etc etc etc.
Perfect example... my elderly father went with me to the dealer for service... window up in front of cashier, both wearing masks... he then put his hands directly on the counter, under the glass... right where anyone who had it on their hands or wasn't wearing a mask would have 'deposited' any virus. While likely not a big deal for anyone else, he is compromised (heart issues, shallow breathing) and needed to be reminded to 'gel' after touching such a surface.
Look, Ham, you're a smart guy, with a helluva leg, and involved in the medical field more than many of us. I get that. But most citiznes do not encounter things as you do in your work, most of us can read stats and population numbers and calculate our own personal rough risk levels. In my state of 8-9 million, only about 3,500 have died from this coronabug. And half of those were in nursing facilities/group care homes, so only 1,750 or so deaths pertain to the majority here. So the risk for the rest of us is far, far less than from regular flu, and those of us citizens who are rational and can do some math understand the risk is next to nothing for the vast majority of us.
We've all had colds and flu enough to know what to do if we get that sick. Besides, and Importantly, the shutdown and original orders were to flatten the curve, NOT to eliminate it completely, just until we could catch our breath and get hospitals and equipment in place to handle anything as we were lied to willingly by China and WHO. I trust those in the medical field to do their jobs when called to, and leave us alone when not. Too Many are overstepping their authorities and areas of expertise right now, and their behavior is undermining their very credibility.
OK, now we caught our breath, most everyone cooperated (except the rioters/looters, who somehow have "immunity" from responsibility, but that's MSM and political games) and now people need to get back to work, get out to support their local economies by eating, shopping and attending sports and entertainment in public together and all our children need to be back in schools on campus.
If the deaths in a state of 8-9 million were 100,000 since March, I'd be more concerned. But they are only about 3,500 in our state--so nothing to worry much about, especially since half of that number were in very isolated populations that do need the extra precautions and most of us do not have any contact/interaction with them when going about our daily lives. So those populations should be the only ones who get the panic treatment, not the children and adults of the working populations of the state. Overall death number for regular folks is only about 1,750 or so...not too scary in a state of 8-9 million....
Maybe New Yorkers should be worried, since their Gov killed thousands of them on purpose and now makes posters making jokes about it...Cuomo's a sick, sick ba$tard... Our governor is a smart, responsible leader, and he only has to deal with a few prog idiot mayors in large cities who are trying to scare people who are not as smart so she can win political points and votes. That's it. By next Spring/Summer this virus will be in the past and we'll see the difference in people and leaders who lost their brains and those who soldiered through.
Edited for typos when I type too fast.
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