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Looks like a right wing nationalist to me.
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That couple absolutely has the right to protect themselves and their property. That said, I watched the video and it in no way validates their version of the events.
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So breaking into private property is fine, but standing in front of your property with a weapon is a crime?

Sounds like the prosecutor may be violating their civil rights. Isn't that a crime?
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(07-11-2020 10:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  So breaking into private property is fine, but standing in front of your property with a weapon is a crime?

Sounds like the prosecutor may be violating their civil rights. Isn't that a crime?

The sorry assed police force should have been protecting their property. I say that fully understanding that this is a mayor problem and not a police problem per se.

But then a public announcement is given which basically tells looters and rioters that the couple is now unarmed. To me that aspect is criminal.

What really pissed off the liberals here is that two soft pasty white people with firearms can hold off a mob. This is the poster picture that leftists fear most.

Colt makes the AR15 and M16. So once again a centuries old adage is applicable.

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The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.
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(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.

Look for the Feds to step in. They messed with the wrong person. A multi millionare defense attorney. Their hate will come back to bite them.
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Kim Gardner, the prosecutor, is a “Soros DA,” one of the many candidates across the country who he has backed in the effort to ‘fundamentally transform’ the justice system.
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(07-11-2020 12:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Kim Gardner, the prosecutor, is a “Soros DA,” one of the many candidates across the country who he has backed in the effort to ‘fundamentally transform’ the justice system.

While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme
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(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.
What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

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(07-11-2020 12:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Kim Gardner, the prosecutor, is a “Soros DA,” one of the many candidates across the country who he has backed in the effort to ‘fundamentally transform’ the justice system.

While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme
Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.
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We need to stop making laws that make criminals out of people with addiction. I've been around people with addictions all my life. Some of them the hardest working people that I know. I know this because for the last 42 years I've hired tons of people like that.

I also know till they have a very good reason to stop the addiction, they wont. It starts with making enough money that you dont have to worry day by day. But that's only a part of it. Making good people that have an addiction into criminals is the about the dumbest way to get to goal #1.

But as a country we need to fill 1000s of jail and 1000s of prison beds or the system we made for our justice system. Falls apart. So as a country we write more laws so we can fill those beds. It hasnt worked and it wont work and it never will work. It's only worked as long as it has....

the people it most effects in life havent had a platform to show they will no longer accept it. Today that's not the case. So we get together as a country and change or we fail. It really is that simple. If you're old (I'm 60.5) and dont see the problem then you need to step back, live out your life, like you are doing. Because there are big problems you are not seeing because of your shelter life of having already made it allows you to live. Those people only see the problems being created today...as the problems.

I personally see a overreaction to something that has needed change and no change in sight. As I said if as a country we cant agree, you will see overreactions to the far esteem. Just as we see today.

edit: The point about alcohol which is just as if not more mind altering than pot or any schedule 2 drug was made into a schedule 2...

a lot of the people on this board would be breaking the same laws as many going to jail and prison, today. Dont bother telling me you are not addicted or can and will stop if it was against the law. I wont believe you because I come from a long line of people that said the same. Most died years earlier than needed, if not for their addiction. Alcohol should be treated the same way as pain meds, today. But you breath into a tube before starting your car and every 30 minutes after. Instead of pissing in a cup. Just like the pain doctor, offices, all lined up with mostly people late 50s to 80s tried to take care of their pains. You should do the same before a doctor writes that scrip for alcohol.

That's the way it should be in todays world. But I believe government should just stay the hell out of why you go see the doctor. What they treat you with
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(07-11-2020 03:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  We need to stop making laws that make criminals out of people with addiction. I've been around people with addictions all my life. Some of them the hardest working people that I know. I know this because for the last 42 years I've hired tons of people like that.

I also know till they have a very good reason to stop the addiction, they wont. It starts with making enough money that you dont have to worry day by day. But that's only a part of it. Making good people that have an addiction into criminals is the about the dumbest way to get to goal #1.

But as a country we need to fill 1000s of jail and 1000s of prison beds or the system we made for our justice system. Falls apart. So as a country we write more laws so we can fill those beds. It hasnt worked and it wont work and it never will work. It's only worked as long as it has....

the people it most effects in life havent had a platform to show they will no longer accept it. Today that's not the case. So we get together as a country and change or we fail. It really is that simple. If you're old (I'm 60.5) and dont see the problem then you need to step back, live out your life, like you are doing. Because there are big problems you are not seeing because of your shelter life of having already made it allows you to live. Those people only see the problems being created today...as the problems.

I personally see a overreaction to something that has needed change and no change in sight. As I said if as a country we cant agree, you will see overreactions to the far esteem. Just as we see today.

#couldn'tStateItBetter

#epicPost

there's a big difference between education, prosperity, and infrastructural integrity to narrow the gap, vs. essentially creating another version of a 'police state'...

where we currently exist, the logic is beyond flawed at this point....
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(07-11-2020 04:29 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 03:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  We need to stop making laws that make criminals out of people with addiction. I've been around people with addictions all my life. Some of them the hardest working people that I know. I know this because for the last 42 years I've hired tons of people like that.

I also know till they have a very good reason to stop the addiction, they wont. It starts with making enough money that you dont have to worry day by day. But that's only a part of it. Making good people that have an addiction into criminals is the about the dumbest way to get to goal #1.

But as a country we need to fill 1000s of jail and 1000s of prison beds or the system we made for our justice system. Falls apart. So as a country we write more laws so we can fill those beds. It hasnt worked and it wont work and it never will work. It's only worked as long as it has....

the people it most effects in life havent had a platform to show they will no longer accept it. Today that's not the case. So we get together as a country and change or we fail. It really is that simple. If you're old (I'm 60.5) and dont see the problem then you need to step back, live out your life, like you are doing. Because there are big problems you are not seeing because of your shelter life of having already made it allows you to live. Those people only see the problems being created today...as the problems.

I personally see a overreaction to something that has needed change and no change in sight. As I said if as a country we cant agree, you will see overreactions to the far esteem. Just as we see today.

#couldn'tStateItBetter

#epicPost

there's a big difference between education, prosperity, and infrastructural integrity to narrow the gap, vs. essentially creating another version of a 'police state'...

where we currently exist, the logic is beyond flawed at this point....

If you legalize narcotics and marijuana then you can standardize the quality, legitimize the jobs in the industry, tax the product, and set limits for consumption to try to stop overdose. Marijuana could be sold most anywhere, but the hard narcotics could be proscribed by a new kind of social physician so the dosage could be controlled.

It would cut down on hospitalizations for bad drugs, keep much of the prison role down for hardened violent offenders, and establish legal limits for everything. Employers where people operate lethal machinery could still require testing. But it would alleviate a lot of the criminal element who quite literally would have much left to sell except people and that could be cracked down on hard, unless licensed as in Nevada where health standards again are employed.
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(07-11-2020 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 04:29 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 03:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  We need to stop making laws that make criminals out of people with addiction. I've been around people with addictions all my life. Some of them the hardest working people that I know. I know this because for the last 42 years I've hired tons of people like that.

I also know till they have a very good reason to stop the addiction, they wont. It starts with making enough money that you dont have to worry day by day. But that's only a part of it. Making good people that have an addiction into criminals is the about the dumbest way to get to goal #1.

But as a country we need to fill 1000s of jail and 1000s of prison beds or the system we made for our justice system. Falls apart. So as a country we write more laws so we can fill those beds. It hasnt worked and it wont work and it never will work. It's only worked as long as it has....

the people it most effects in life havent had a platform to show they will no longer accept it. Today that's not the case. So we get together as a country and change or we fail. It really is that simple. If you're old (I'm 60.5) and dont see the problem then you need to step back, live out your life, like you are doing. Because there are big problems you are not seeing because of your shelter life of having already made it allows you to live. Those people only see the problems being created today...as the problems.

I personally see a overreaction to something that has needed change and no change in sight. As I said if as a country we cant agree, you will see overreactions to the far esteem. Just as we see today.

#couldn'tStateItBetter

#epicPost

there's a big difference between education, prosperity, and infrastructural integrity to narrow the gap, vs. essentially creating another version of a 'police state'...

where we currently exist, the logic is beyond flawed at this point....

If you legalize narcotics and marijuana then you can standardize the quality, legitimize the jobs in the industry, tax the product, and set limits for consumption to try to stop overdose. Marijuana could be sold most anywhere, but the hard narcotics could be proscribed by a new kind of social physician so the dosage could be controlled.

It would cut down on hospitalizations for bad drugs, keep much of the prison role down for hardened violent offenders, and establish legal limits for everything. Employers where people operate lethal machinery could still require testing. But it would alleviate a lot of the criminal element who quite literally would have much left to sell except people and that could be cracked down on hard, unless licensed as in Nevada where health standards again are employed.

it would at a min., be a start to a solution....

in my previous life, I developed "engineering standards" for a 50mm/sales CUSTOM HVAC MFG facility that is now owned byJCI that enhances STD sales/growth...w/o standards, we weren't the puss in the pimple...

this is no different in scope...I'm a huge six-sigma fan...all I've seen in relativity is hinder + control + globalization = division from politicians in muh lifetime starting with LBJ....Nixon/Reagan/Bush Sr.. were the worst in this category...

change is never easy once embedded...but you already knew that, Ja?! 03-wink

is worthy of another #henceDJT in my book....
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(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.
What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

(07-11-2020 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 12:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Kim Gardner, the prosecutor, is a “Soros DA,” one of the many candidates across the country who he has backed in the effort to ‘fundamentally transform’ the justice system.

While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme
Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.
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(06-30-2020 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Let me guess. St. Louis DA is a liberal minority woman.

You guessed her, Chester! She's one of Soros' SJW minions.

Still claims she is going to charge these two.
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(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.
What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

(07-11-2020 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 12:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Kim Gardner, the prosecutor, is a “Soros DA,” one of the many candidates across the country who he has backed in the effort to ‘fundamentally transform’ the justice system.

While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme
Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.
Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.
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(07-11-2020 07:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.
What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

(07-11-2020 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 12:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Kim Gardner, the prosecutor, is a “Soros DA,” one of the many candidates across the country who he has backed in the effort to ‘fundamentally transform’ the justice system.

While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme
Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.
Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.

The hard drugs are cheap to make. You can sell them at triple the cost of production and they'd be cheaper than on the street. The government takes a 1/3rd of the profit the manufacturer gets 1/3rd. The Social Doctor assigned controls dosage. The use tax on the sale goes directly to halfway houses. Addictions are managed until they become terminal, which for opioids and heroin it will. You manage the patients health independent of hospitals.

The goal here is to manage the drug rings and organized crime out of the vice rackets of drugs and prostitution. Inherently that will cause crime to dip. I suspect what they will do is move on to another country or try to find jobs legitimately producing drugs like marijuana in which case you make taxpayers out of them. Under this plan you can manage hard drug users and then reduce gradually availability of hard narcotics to any new users. Cut off the blood supply to the tumor or organized crime, and then shrink demand by what you offer. It's cynical but practical.
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RE: Rifle-wielding St. Louis lawyer breaks silence after incident with protesters
(07-11-2020 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 07:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.
What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

(07-11-2020 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme
Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.
Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.

The hard drugs are cheap to make. You can sell them at triple the cost of production and they'd be cheaper than on the street. The government takes a 1/3rd of the profit the manufacturer gets 1/3rd. The Social Doctor assigned controls dosage. The use tax on the sale goes directly to halfway houses. Addictions are managed until they become terminal, which for opioids and heroin it will. You manage the patients health independent of hospitals.

The goal here is to manage the drug rings and organized crime out of the vice rackets of drugs and prostitution. Inherently that will cause crime to dip. I suspect what they will do is move on to another country or try to find jobs legitimately producing drugs like marijuana in which case you make taxpayers out of them. Under this plan you can manage hard drug users and then reduce gradually availability of hard narcotics to any new users. Cut off the blood supply to the tumor or organized crime, and then shrink demand by what you offer. It's cynical but practical.

You have MDs over prescribing opiods and they have full practices, but "Social Doctors" are gonna stay in their lane and not over prescribe for dough? Come on guys, I know it's Saturday night and all, but what are y'all talking about? You don't do away with addiction by having the government in control of distributing heroine. Remember, the government is only good at two things: 1. Taking your money and 2. Spending it foolishly.
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RE: Rifle-wielding St. Louis lawyer breaks silence after incident with protesters
(07-11-2020 09:44 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 07:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.
Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.

The hard drugs are cheap to make. You can sell them at triple the cost of production and they'd be cheaper than on the street. The government takes a 1/3rd of the profit the manufacturer gets 1/3rd. The Social Doctor assigned controls dosage. The use tax on the sale goes directly to halfway houses. Addictions are managed until they become terminal, which for opioids and heroin it will. You manage the patients health independent of hospitals.

The goal here is to manage the drug rings and organized crime out of the vice rackets of drugs and prostitution. Inherently that will cause crime to dip. I suspect what they will do is move on to another country or try to find jobs legitimately producing drugs like marijuana in which case you make taxpayers out of them. Under this plan you can manage hard drug users and then reduce gradually availability of hard narcotics to any new users. Cut off the blood supply to the tumor or organized crime, and then shrink demand by what you offer. It's cynical but practical.

You have MDs over prescribing opiods and they have full practices, but "Social Doctors" are gonna stay in their lane and not over prescribe for dough? Come on guys, I know it's Saturday night and all, but what are y'all talking about? You don't do away with addiction by having the government in control of distributing heroine. Remember, the government is only good at two things: 1. Taking your money and 2. Spending it foolishly.

Of course you don't get rid of addiction. That's not the goal. The goal is to manage the addicts until the inevitable. Starve the finances feeding the mob selling the dope. Mange the addicts. Fund it all with taxes generated by drug abuse. So you starve the supplier, feed the addict, and maintain palliative care until it is no longer needed.

This country will never do what the Chinese do. The simply shoot dealers in the head when they are caught. No trial. No parole. Just death.

Here we have to starve the dealers. Supply their addicts more cheaply, make most drugs available in controlled doses for users that are monitored for quality, and cut off the illicit money upon which no taxes are collected. I used the term Social Doctor because they will essentially be the caseworkers for the addicts.

The nation will find it far more beneficial to manage than to eradicate. It will reduce addictions because it cuts out the street pusher giving away freebies to grow his customer base.

Will the government screw it up? Probably. But it is a better approach than the war on drugs. Prostitution has to managed the same way with the health monitoring like they do in Vegas.

I've never used any of it. My only substance has been alcohol and that with the exception of my Freshman year of college was always in moderation. Ah, fraternities! I would much rather have addicts that can get what they want under surveillance than breaking into homes. They go Darwin relatively quickly and then you can start (after the illegal supply dries up) start to be scaled back.

Remember prohibition? There are very few bootleggers still operating.
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