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Full disclosure: News of the game was accidentally leaked during Episode 3 of the Lopes Insider Podcast when it first released on May 20th. Fans who listened to the podcast right when it dropped were treated to this news before the mistake was realized and edited out. Athletics did an okay job cropping it, but you can still hear where it was cut around the 32:50 mark if you know to listen for it.
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A big win for GCU to get ASU in a home-and home series. GCU has home games with Arizona State and San Diego State in 2020-2021. I think both of these games should be on the ESPN family of Networks (ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU). With their fanbase, in that arena, and in that market, just think what they could do if they were playing good basketball.

Seattle is another school that can attract good opponents. Once the New Arena at Seattle Center opens in 2021-2022 (formerly known also as the Key Arena), they will be able to attract quality opponents again. They play Washington every season and they were playing them at the Key Arena every other season. Over the past decade, Seattle has had home games with UW, Washington State, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Colorado and Virginia. They have a lot of upside and like GCU and ASU, Seattle and UW are the only D1 schools in Seattle. Also, the market does not have NBA basketball.
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(06-13-2020 11:02 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  A big win for GCU to get ASU in a home-and home series. GCU has home games with Arizona State and San Diego State in 2020-2021. I think both of these games should be on the ESPN family of Networks (ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU). With their fanbase, in that arena, and in that market, just think what they could do if they were playing good basketball.

Seattle is another school that can attract good opponents. Once the New Arena at Seattle Center opens in 2021-2022 (formerly known also as the Key Arena), they will be able to attract quality opponents again. They play Washington every season and they were playing them at the Key Arena every other season. Over the past decade, Seattle has had home games with UW, Washington State, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Colorado and Virginia. They have a lot of upside and like GCU and ASU, Seattle and UW are the only D1 schools in Seattle. Also, the market does not have NBA basketball.

I think GCU is also owed a return home game from New Mexico this season, too. Whether or not there will be fans in the stands still remains to be seen. I emailed the box office this week about season ticket renewals. The response I got was that they are "still feeling out capacity mandates from Covid" and there is "no idea on when (they) will have the info (they) need to move forward."

Welcome to 2020. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Seattle U is scheduled to play in the Diamond Head Classic this year with Hawaii, Arizona State, Oklahoma, St Marys, San Diego State, Temple, and Western Michigan.

We know forsure they play at Portland as the last game of a 4-year agreement, and then expect the yearly games with Washington and EWU
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(06-14-2020 12:18 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  Seattle U is scheduled to play in the Diamond Head Classic this year with Hawaii, Arizona State, Oklahoma, St Marys, San Diego State, Temple, and Western Michigan.

We know forsure they play at Portland as the last game of a 4-year agreement, and then expect the yearly games with Washington and EWU

That is a nice group of schools. I would imagine they get either ASU or OU in the first game.
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On the D1 docket twitter- he has a spreadsheet that has some errors on it, but it shows a couple conference games already. January second Dixie at uvu and January 7 gcu at Dixie. Also shows Dixie has a game at Denver December 12, uvu at byu November 28, uvu opening up at Utah November 10, Denver at uvu nov 14, Dixie at Utah state and Dixie with a home and home against uc davis.
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I have to give Dixie St some scheduling props for getting relatively close home games against teams that their fans might care about. Nice job. H/H vs UC Davis is a nice one.
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New Mexico St vs Northern Iowa in Sioux Falls. UNI returns its top 2 scorers including future NBA’er AJ Green from a team that hovered 26-35 in the polls most of last season.
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(07-10-2020 08:56 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  New Mexico St vs Northern Iowa in Sioux Falls. UNI returns its top 2 scorers including future NBA’er AJ Green from a team that hovered 26-35 in the polls most of last season.

Yawn. Tarleton scheduled Gonzaga, who hovered 1-2 in the polls last season. Why? Conference and institutional exposure. I see other teams in the WAC taking the same type of risk, and making the same type of sacrifice, for the betterment of the conference.
NMSU really needs to step up for the WAC and drop their silly little annual D2 and NAIA bully fest. Time for NMSU to grow a pair and play some games the networks and press actually want to pick up. No risk, no reward.
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Hmmm...I must’ve dreamt watching NMSU dump Illinois at the United Center a couple years back. Look up the schools who’ve been invited to play at the United Center and you’ll see how NMSU is thought of.

NMSU’s beaten #6 Miami, ASU, Illinois, among others. They’ve fallen by a bucket to #2 Kansas and fell a missed FT short of eliminating a Final Four team. There’s your answer why Pistol Pete isn’t landing on the schedules of big names.

People who know basketball will keep an eye on UNI-NMSU. UNI was a top-50 team last year and returns their studs, so an Aggie win may end up in the Q1 column.
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(07-10-2020 10:47 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 08:56 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  New Mexico St vs Northern Iowa in Sioux Falls. UNI returns its top 2 scorers including future NBA’er AJ Green from a team that hovered 26-35 in the polls most of last season.

Yawn. Tarleton scheduled Gonzaga, who hovered 1-2 in the polls last season. Why? Conference and institutional exposure. I see other teams in the WAC taking the same type of risk, and making the same type of sacrifice, for the betterment of the conference.
NMSU really needs to step up for the WAC and drop their silly little annual D2 and NAIA bully fest. Time for NMSU to grow a pair and play some games the networks and press actually want to pick up. No risk, no reward.
UNI is a solid mid major. Good for them
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(07-10-2020 10:47 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 08:56 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  New Mexico St vs Northern Iowa in Sioux Falls. UNI returns its top 2 scorers including future NBA’er AJ Green from a team that hovered 26-35 in the polls most of last season.

Yawn. Tarleton scheduled Gonzaga, who hovered 1-2 in the polls last season. Why? Conference and institutional exposure. I see other teams in the WAC taking the same type of risk, and making the same type of sacrifice, for the betterment of the conference.
NMSU really needs to step up for the WAC and drop their silly little annual D2 and NAIA bully fest. Time for NMSU to grow a pair and play some games the networks and press actually want to pick up. No risk, no reward.
Yawn yourself. Everyone wants to schedule Tarleton cause easy win. No one wants to schedule NMSU pard.
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(07-11-2020 09:18 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 10:47 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 08:56 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  New Mexico St vs Northern Iowa in Sioux Falls. UNI returns its top 2 scorers including future NBA’er AJ Green from a team that hovered 26-35 in the polls most of last season.

Yawn. Tarleton scheduled Gonzaga, who hovered 1-2 in the polls last season. Why? Conference and institutional exposure. I see other teams in the WAC taking the same type of risk, and making the same type of sacrifice, for the betterment of the conference.
NMSU really needs to step up for the WAC and drop their silly little annual D2 and NAIA bully fest. Time for NMSU to grow a pair and play some games the networks and press actually want to pick up. No risk, no reward.
Yawn yourself. Everyone wants to schedule Tarleton cause easy win. No one wants to schedule NMSU pard.

Oh, the ol' "they're just scared to play us" routine.

If that's true, help me make sense of this...

https://nmstatesports.com/documents/2019...obile=true

Nope, I think you guys just enjoy beating up on the New Mexico Military Institute's of the world, and gliding into conference play with a bloated record and a few "games" (scrimmages) under your belt. Aka the safe and easy route. And the WAC continues to be a one-bid conference. It's a selfish strategy, pard.
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Do you honestly believe that Tarleton St chose to schedule Gonzaga because they have a chance and it will help the WAC? There is a reason why Gonzaga selected Tarleton St, not NMSU.

Northern New Mexico is a mandated game by the state legislature. Good luck trying to get decent DI mid-majors or P5 to come to a geographically isolated school. I think the NMSU athletic dept does a good job with their schedule. But there is nothing to gain for a P5(6) conference having their teams come to NMSU. Nothing at all. They will get quality conference games, why go to a place where a loss is a possibility, when a W vs UC Davis or Nicholls St is a guarantee?

Each season NMSU has two MWC/CUSA games for a total of 4 mid-major wins (hopefully). Mix that in with a few other mid-majors and then a potential P5 at a neutral site.

A few years ago when UVU went and played Kentucky and Duke why do you think they played those schools? Why does Kansas play Ft Hays St, Why does Villanova play Mt St. Marys? Why does UNC play Western Carolina? All schools schedule wins.

I hope the WAC is better overall, but if and when Tarleton St gets better, be ready for a steady stream of home games from "easier" teams. Do not forget your coach used to be at a big school. Take a look at his non-conference schedule when at UTEP, TA&M and Kentucky. You will find lots of scheduled wins.
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From wikipedia (so judge the source):
"Gillispie asked for a budget large enough to allow them to play confidence-building non-conference schedules, rarely venturing out of Reed Arena in the first two seasons. Using the padded non-conference schedule to their advantage,"
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(07-11-2020 09:46 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Do you honestly believe that Tarleton St chose to schedule Gonzaga because they have a chance and it will help the WAC? There is a reason why Gonzaga selected Tarleton St, not NMSU.

Northern New Mexico is a mandated game by the state legislature. Good luck trying to get decent DI mid-majors or P5 to come to a geographically isolated school. I think the NMSU athletic dept does a good job with their schedule. But there is nothing to gain for a P5(6) conference having their teams come to NMSU. Nothing at all. They will get quality conference games, why go to a place where a loss is a possibility, when a W vs UC Davis or Nicholls St is a guarantee?

Gonzaga "chose" Tarleton because Tarleton stepped up and scheduled it. They'll take the "L" for the insitutional & conference exposure. There's a pattern forming: Gonzaga, Texas A&M, UCLA, probably TCU, SMU, etc.
And what if Tarleton were to do the unthinkable and grind out a win in one of those games? The WAC gets the glory. Can't win it if you're afraid to schedule it. Other teams in the WAC are stepping up, like GCU, and hopefully NMSU will be a little more risky and put themselves out there. I knocked it, but NIU is a good start. Even better was going into to Tucson last year to face a 15th ranked Zona.
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(07-11-2020 09:46 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Do you honestly believe that Tarleton St chose to schedule Gonzaga because they have a chance and it will help the WAC? There is a reason why Gonzaga selected Tarleton St, not NMSU.

Northern New Mexico is a mandated game by the state legislature. Good luck trying to get decent DI mid-majors or P5 to come to a geographically isolated school. I think the NMSU athletic dept does a good job with their schedule. But there is nothing to gain for a P5(6) conference having their teams come to NMSU. Nothing at all. They will get quality conference games, why go to a place where a loss is a possibility, when a W vs UC Davis or Nicholls St is a guarantee?

Each season NMSU has two MWC/CUSA games for a total of 4 mid-major wins (hopefully). Mix that in with a few other mid-majors and then a potential P5 at a neutral site.

A few years ago when UVU went and played Kentucky and Duke why do you think they played those schools? Why does Kansas play Ft Hays St, Why does Villanova play Mt St. Marys? Why does UNC play Western Carolina? All schools schedule wins.

I hope the WAC is better overall, but if and when Tarleton St gets better, be ready for a steady stream of home games from "easier" teams. Do not forget your coach used to be at a big school. Take a look at his non-conference schedule when at UTEP, TA&M and Kentucky. You will find lots of scheduled wins.

I did. For starters, Big 12 and SEC are both multi-bid leagues. Made sense for BCG to ease into brutal conference play fresh and injury-free. When he was at UTEP (WAC) in 2003-4, he scheduled Texas Tech, Houston, and a then Sun Belt NMSU team TWICE.
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NMSU always plays UTEP twice, that is not something he did at all. Do not give him credit for that. When the UTEP AD stopped the football game it was ugly. UTEP understands that they are as isolated as NMSU, and that if either side gets to antagnostic, both lose in the scheduling department. For volleyball they bring in teams that will play both schools, it is a selling point two games for one. Basketball, on the women's side and men's as well still do it, just not to the same extent as in the past. In the changing world of college athletics, I think it is impossible to underestimate the challenge of the isolation of scheduling that NMSU will have. I think that, moreso than anything else is what will eventually force NMSU to make a decision on where they stand.

While I admire your purple blood that you bleed, I hope you are ready for the steep learning curve that the teams are set for. I think that the school has made a splash with their hire. If that splash is going to be good in the long-run or not is another story. Splashes are great in cannonball contests, but in diving, not so much. I am grateful that Tarleton is in the conference.
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(07-11-2020 10:49 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  NMSU always plays UTEP twice, that is not something he did at all. Do not give him credit for that. When the UTEP AD stopped the football game it was ugly. UTEP understands that they are as isolated as NMSU, and that if either side gets to antagnostic, both lose in the scheduling department. For volleyball they bring in teams that will play both schools, it is a selling point two games for one. Basketball, on the women's side and men's as well still do it, just not to the same extent as in the past. In the changing world of college athletics, I think it is impossible to underestimate the challenge of the isolation of scheduling that NMSU will have. I think that, moreso than anything else is what will eventually force NMSU to make a decision on where they stand.

While I admire your purple blood that you bleed, I hope you are ready for the steep learning curve that the teams are set for. I think that the school has made a splash with their hire. If that splash is going to be good in the long-run or not is another story. Splashes are great in cannonball contests, but in diving, not so much. I am grateful that Tarleton is in the conference.

We bleed the purple blood because we've been winning for a long, long time. Albeit at a different level, but the high expectations of a winning program is a powerful thing. We'll win in the WAC, maybe not as soon as I'd like, but we will get there. What y'all need to realize is its much more than a recent quality coaching hire, we've already had that for the past 30 years. BCG and the WAC helps to bring exposure to Tarleton so the rest of the world can see what we already know. I will say that BCG and Tarleton are a perfect fit. I can't think of anybody more qualified to carry on the great legacy of Lonn Reisman. BCG literally grew up just down the road from Tarleton. He knows and respects Tarleton's history better than anyone, and now has Lonn as his AD. We have a great storied program thats now in the hands of the epitome of a Coach & AD Dynamic Duo. You bet I'm fired up about it. Can't wait to see what these two accomplish together. I guarantee you it will be fun to watch, so get your popcorn ready!
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(07-11-2020 11:02 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 10:49 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  NMSU always plays UTEP twice, that is not something he did at all. Do not give him credit for that. When the UTEP AD stopped the football game it was ugly. UTEP understands that they are as isolated as NMSU, and that if either side gets to antagnostic, both lose in the scheduling department. For volleyball they bring in teams that will play both schools, it is a selling point two games for one. Basketball, on the women's side and men's as well still do it, just not to the same extent as in the past. In the changing world of college athletics, I think it is impossible to underestimate the challenge of the isolation of scheduling that NMSU will have. I think that, moreso than anything else is what will eventually force NMSU to make a decision on where they stand.

While I admire your purple blood that you bleed, I hope you are ready for the steep learning curve that the teams are set for. I think that the school has made a splash with their hire. If that splash is going to be good in the long-run or not is another story. Splashes are great in cannonball contests, but in diving, not so much. I am grateful that Tarleton is in the conference.

We bleed the purple blood because we've been winning for a long, long time. Albeit at a different level, but the high expectations of a winning program is a powerful thing. We'll win in the WAC, maybe not as soon as I'd like, but we will get there. What y'all need to realize is its much more than a recent quality coaching hire, we've already had that for the past 30 years. BCG and the WAC helps to bring exposure to Tarleton so the rest of the world can see what we already know. I will say that BCG and Tarleton are a perfect fit. I can't think of anybody more qualified to carry on the great legacy of Lonn Reisman. BCG literally grew up just down the road from Tarleton. He knows and respects Tarleton's history better than anyone, and now has Lonn as his AD. We have a great storied program thats now in the hands of the epitome of a Coach & AD Dynamic Duo. You bet I'm fired up about it. Can't wait to see what these two accomplish together. I guarantee you it will be fun to watch, so get your popcorn ready!
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You talk about NMSU dodging big games and scheduling cream puffs, but Tarleton has a long history of scheduling NAIA and lesser D2 schools to pad our win total (or total home games). How many times did we schedule the Arlington Baptist and Southwest Assembly of Gods of the world?

Even last year, we didn't schedule the home football opener against a regional rival or a National top 25... instead we brought in Doane, a private NAIA from Nebraska to al but guarantee an easy win.

I like the paycheck games right now because it is getting our name out there and gives our fans something to be excited about while we cannot go to the tourney.

Eventually we will schedule schedule some of our former conference mates or a regional D3 school the way (including some of our D1 neighbors in the metroplex and central Texas) have.


As others may have mentioned, NMSU may choose or be required to play the NMMI or Western NM of the world to keep money in the state.

I'm sure down the road, the powers that be in College Station will encourage A&M to schedule Tarleton, Corpus and PV to keep money in the system. Likewise we will be asked to buy OOC games from WT, Commerce, and Kingsville.
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