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RE: Football seasons being canceled
(07-10-2020 07:18 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  They're not concerned about safety, they know they're not going to have fans in the stands and that their ticket sales are compromised so they want to weasel out of paying for the games they agreed to pay.

Every FCS and G5 that had a payday game scheduled with the Big Ten needs to sue now.

This is exactly what's going on. Travel and per diem are essentially the only costs in playing conference games, no 7 figure guarantees.
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No what is going on is their most valuable asset is intra-conference games and they are protecting them. ESPN and Fox don't give two bowel movements if they show AState-Michigan or App-Wisconsin but they aren't going to shell out the GDP of a small country to not show Michigan-Ohio State or Michigan State-Penn State

It's asset protection nothing else.
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(07-10-2020 08:04 AM)Usajags Wrote:  From what I’ve read playing conference games only give the conference complete control of the the schedule in the event a team or teams can’t play one week due to a team outbreak. It allows the conference to shuffle the schedule weekly if needed to allow the teams capable of playing to play. So there is the chance that even though Purdue is scheduled to play IU this week, IU has a breakout, they can slide in Iowa in their place. Gonna make film and scouting harder, but at least you’re playing. Also, with only 10 conference games, there can be multiple off weeks schedule also in case of breakouts and schedule changes.

That might well be true, but they can't use the escape clause in the contracts (as chiefsfan referred to) without cancelling the whole season or at least in the first X weeks. I don't see how they'd not still be on the hook for the money.
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(07-10-2020 08:36 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 08:04 AM)Usajags Wrote:  From what I’ve read playing conference games only give the conference complete control of the the schedule in the event a team or teams can’t play one week due to a team outbreak. It allows the conference to shuffle the schedule weekly if needed to allow the teams capable of playing to play. So there is the chance that even though Purdue is scheduled to play IU this week, IU has a breakout, they can slide in Iowa in their place. Gonna make film and scouting harder, but at least you’re playing. Also, with only 10 conference games, there can be multiple off weeks schedule also in case of breakouts and schedule changes.

That might well be true, but they can't use the escape clause in the contracts (as chiefsfan referred to) without cancelling the whole season or at least in the first X weeks. I don't see how they'd not still be on the hook for the money.

They have a lot of money, which means they have access to a lot of smart people that will try to get them off the hook. It wouldn’t surprise me if they found a way out.
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(07-10-2020 07:12 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 05:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Why cancel OOC games but play conference games? I don’t get that logic.

What risks change?

The risks don't necessarily change, but the ways to mitigate those risks can be unilaterally controlled by the conference administration and hopefully evenly acted upon if they are only playing conference games. Examples would be if one conference tests every three weeks, but another conference tests every week, or one conference makes masks mandatory, but another one doesn't, etc.

The solution is no OOC games versus the NCAA doing their damn jobs and leading I guess.

Or how about a conference providing regulations in order to have the games.

This is another example of those in power picking winners and losers. Sad.
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You guys realize we have the same type contracts with FCS schools, so if the SBC goes conference only games, should your school be forced to pay that FCS team for not coming to play??? I do realize it’s a lot less money, but still, $300k is a good chunk of change.

I would expect with no OOC games being played, or televised, there will be a lot of space on the TV for our conference games as well. We should see a lot more TV games, which could result in added revenue for the conference. I’m sure there will be some sort of agreement made about all these missed revenue games with the P5 conferences and teams. Also sure ESPN will be involved, because that is who is really running the show, it’s damn sure not the NCAA.
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I hope SBC can keep their OOC games against the SEC, ACC, CUSA. I think FCS will likely shut their games down, so I don't think we will be stuck having to pay them.
USA has nearby CUSA games vs Southern Miss and UAB, that I hope can still be played. Load them up in a bus and play, they might not even need to spend a night in a hotel.

I think the SBC needs to get on the phone with other conferences and match their procedures to help keep the games on the schedule.
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(07-10-2020 07:18 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  They're not concerned about safety, they know they're not going to have fans in the stands and that their ticket sales are compromised so they want to weasel out of paying for the games they agreed to pay.

Every FCS and G5 that had a payday game scheduled with the Big Ten needs to sue now.

You're absolutely right. But the FCS/G5 schools will probably will too reluctant/afraid to burn bridges, even if there was a decent legal case.

If the P5s all crumble, we (WMU) might salvage a payday game with Notre Dame, unless they become a de facto ACC member this season and boot their OOC games.
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(07-10-2020 10:04 AM)Usajags Wrote:  You guys realize we have the same type contracts with FCS schools, so if the SBC goes conference only games, should your school be forced to pay that FCS team for not coming to play??? I do realize it’s a lot less money, but still, $300k is a good chunk of change.

I would expect with no OOC games being played, or televised, there will be a lot of space on the TV for our conference games as well. We should see a lot more TV games, which could result in added revenue for the conference. I’m sure there will be some sort of agreement made about all these missed revenue games with the P5 conferences and teams. Also sure ESPN will be involved, because that is who is really running the show, it’s damn sure not the NCAA.

I'm planning on AState paying its obligation to Howard with the money from Michigan. Pretty much the same way we would have had Michigan not cancelled.
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I've been waiting to see something like this. Sums up the issue pretty well in my opinion.

Anchor Drop, July 10, 2020: Lawsuits Are Coming| SB Nation

Important part:

Quote:The problem with this, at least from a lawyer’s perspective, is that so long as the Power 5 conferences are insisting on playing conference schedules, it’s hard to make the necessary argument to invoke a force majeure clause: that the game literally cannot be played. Make an argument for why Ohio State can’t play Bowling Green, but can still play Maryland. The stated reasoning revolves around the fact that the Big Ten can ensure that Maryland follows its protocols but can’t do the same for Bowling Green; the actual reason is probably a bit more nefarious than that.
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(07-10-2020 12:00 PM)trueblue21 Wrote:  I've been waiting to see something like this. Sums up the issue pretty well in my opinion.

Anchor Drop, July 10, 2020: Lawsuits Are Coming| SB Nation

Important part:

Quote:The problem with this, at least from a lawyer’s perspective, is that so long as the Power 5 conferences are insisting on playing conference schedules, it’s hard to make the necessary argument to invoke a force majeure clause: that the game literally cannot be played. Make an argument for why Ohio State can’t play Bowling Green, but can still play Maryland. The stated reasoning revolves around the fact that the Big Ten can ensure that Maryland follows its protocols but can’t do the same for Bowling Green; the actual reason is probably a bit more nefarious than that.

I don't consider Fox and ESPN pays to see Ohio State play Maryland but not so much concerned about Ohio State playing BGSU to be especially nefarious.

Multi-million dollar enterprises are going to protect their most valuable asset.
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Pay the man his money.
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I figure all conferences will be playing conference games only by the middle of next week. What happens with the indy school??? They could really by hurting trying to make some sort of schedule.
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(07-10-2020 01:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 12:00 PM)trueblue21 Wrote:  I've been waiting to see something like this. Sums up the issue pretty well in my opinion.

Anchor Drop, July 10, 2020: Lawsuits Are Coming| SB Nation

Important part:

Quote:The problem with this, at least from a lawyer’s perspective, is that so long as the Power 5 conferences are insisting on playing conference schedules, it’s hard to make the necessary argument to invoke a force majeure clause: that the game literally cannot be played. Make an argument for why Ohio State can’t play Bowling Green, but can still play Maryland. The stated reasoning revolves around the fact that the Big Ten can ensure that Maryland follows its protocols but can’t do the same for Bowling Green; the actual reason is probably a bit more nefarious than that.

I don't consider Fox and ESPN pays to see Ohio State play Maryland but not so much concerned about Ohio State playing BGSU to be especially nefarious.

Multi-million dollar enterprises are going to protect their most valuable asset.

It looks like the PAC12 and MAC will follow the Big and ACC. The reason for this is to have complete control of scheduling... especially if certain teams are unable or not allowed to play within the conference. Make no mistake: the conferences are NOT in charge. The Governors are. If Alabama is permitted to play football, but South Carolina cannot, the conferences will have to potentially change the schedule weekly to sew together some semblance of a season. That’s all the legal cover needed.
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(07-10-2020 08:13 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 01:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 12:00 PM)trueblue21 Wrote:  I've been waiting to see something like this. Sums up the issue pretty well in my opinion.

Anchor Drop, July 10, 2020: Lawsuits Are Coming| SB Nation

Important part:

Quote:The problem with this, at least from a lawyer’s perspective, is that so long as the Power 5 conferences are insisting on playing conference schedules, it’s hard to make the necessary argument to invoke a force majeure clause: that the game literally cannot be played. Make an argument for why Ohio State can’t play Bowling Green, but can still play Maryland. The stated reasoning revolves around the fact that the Big Ten can ensure that Maryland follows its protocols but can’t do the same for Bowling Green; the actual reason is probably a bit more nefarious than that.

I don't consider Fox and ESPN pays to see Ohio State play Maryland but not so much concerned about Ohio State playing BGSU to be especially nefarious.

Multi-million dollar enterprises are going to protect their most valuable asset.

It looks like the PAC12 and MAC will follow the Big and ACC. The reason for this is to have complete control of scheduling... especially if certain teams are unable are not allowed to play within the conference. Make no mistake: the conferences are NOT in charge. The Governors are. If Alabama is permitted to play football, but South Carolina cannot, the conferences will have to have potentially change the schedule weekly to sew together some semblance of a season. That’s all the legal cover needed.

Also, if the SBC goes conference games only, then there is no legal demand for a B1G team to pay an SBC team when we aren’t playing them either.
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New Mexico has canceled high school football, for now.

https://www.al.com/highschoolsports/2020...ptick.html
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(07-09-2020 09:49 PM)Usajags Wrote:  DII SIAC has cancelled all fall sports, but they are looking at playing them, including football, in the spring.

I have a bad feeling by this time next week we will know for sure that we will not have college football this fall. 03-weeping

This is the conference of Morehouse, who cancelled their season a couple weeks ago.

at this point im almost certain there will be no football this fall. hospitalization rates are going up too fast. i think the conferences all know there will be no fall sports but are going to delay announcing it as long as possible
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(07-10-2020 08:13 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 01:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 12:00 PM)trueblue21 Wrote:  I've been waiting to see something like this. Sums up the issue pretty well in my opinion.

Anchor Drop, July 10, 2020: Lawsuits Are Coming| SB Nation

Important part:

Quote:The problem with this, at least from a lawyer’s perspective, is that so long as the Power 5 conferences are insisting on playing conference schedules, it’s hard to make the necessary argument to invoke a force majeure clause: that the game literally cannot be played. Make an argument for why Ohio State can’t play Bowling Green, but can still play Maryland. The stated reasoning revolves around the fact that the Big Ten can ensure that Maryland follows its protocols but can’t do the same for Bowling Green; the actual reason is probably a bit more nefarious than that.

I don't consider Fox and ESPN pays to see Ohio State play Maryland but not so much concerned about Ohio State playing BGSU to be especially nefarious.

Multi-million dollar enterprises are going to protect their most valuable asset.

It looks like the PAC12 and MAC will follow the Big and ACC. The reason for this is to have complete control of scheduling... especially if certain teams are unable or not allowed to play within the conference. Make no mistake: the conferences are NOT in charge. The Governors are. If Alabama is permitted to play football, but South Carolina cannot, the conferences will have to potentially change the schedule weekly to sew together some semblance of a season. That’s all the legal cover needed.

Alabama may end up as the only state playing football because Governor MeeMaw is unable to make a decision
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I don't like it but if it means we still have a football season I'm willing to hold my noise and just get through this year. Maybe if we go to a conference only +1 model we could help an independent school out like Liberty, NMSU or UMass because they will be impacted the most by all of this conference only scheduling.
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(07-11-2020 08:28 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I don't like it but if it means we still have a football season I'm willing to hold my noise and just get through this year. Maybe if we go to a conference only +1 model we could help an independent school out like Liberty, NMSU or UMass because they will be impacted the most by all of this conference only scheduling.

If you agree to play one ooc that opens up having to pay buyouts for the rest. If you restrict it to conference only you can play the act of god clause
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