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RE: OT- Corona Virus- Where do we go from here?
Let’s just stick to Corona...unless we think the pandemic is over.
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RE: OT- Corona Virus- Where do we go from here?
(07-07-2020 04:22 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(07-07-2020 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Seriously, he may be the least corrupt president we have had in my lifetime for no other reason than that he cannot get away with anything without the entirety of the media and career gov't officials clamoring to throw him under the bus.

Perhaps corrupt was the wrong word...I will keep the word I am thinking of to myself.
Lol. Fair enough.

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(07-07-2020 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Seriously, he may be the least corrupt president we have had in my lifetime for no other reason than that he cannot get away with anything without the entirety of the media and career gov't officials clamoring to throw him under the bus.

I dont want this to be political but i have no clue how anyone could believe Trump is less corrupt than anyone. And Im just talking about as president, not cheating the The real estate game or being a slumlord.im not aure any accusations of him habe really be debunked but Im cool with sticking to Coronavisus. We have Certainly cooked some books.
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(07-07-2020 04:10 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(07-07-2020 03:58 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-07-2020 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Seriously, he may be the least corrupt president we have had in my lifetime for no other reason than that he cannot get away with anything without the entirety of the media and career gov't officials clamoring to throw him under the bus.

LOL. Orange Kool Aid.

I'm not even that big of a fan, mostly because he can't control his mouth (tweets), but go ahead and educate us with all the examples of corruption, and please stick to the ones that haven't been completely debunked.


Might want to look at the decision that ICE put out on Monday regarding international students.

“Mostly because he can’t control his mouth (tweets)” = “I wish he wasn’t so openly racist......”

And since you want to play this game of “completely debunked” go ahead and tell us which ones those are?
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So Novavax was given a $1.6 billion “Warp Speed” grant yesterday. I guess that’s encouraging news.

Now that COVID is close to falling below pandemic levels, what should our next steps be? The death rate continues to go way down. Check. Most people are wearing masks. Check. Many people continue to WFH. Check. Now what?
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(07-08-2020 06:49 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  So Novavax was given a $1.6 billion “Warp Speed” grant yesterday. I guess that’s encouraging news.

Now that COVID is close to falling below pandemic levels, what should our next steps be? The death rate continues to go way down. Check. Most people are wearing masks. Check. Many people continue to WFH. Check. Now what?

WTH??? Not even Fox makes this assertion.
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(07-08-2020 07:00 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 06:49 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  So Novavax was given a $1.6 billion “Warp Speed” grant yesterday. I guess that’s encouraging news.

Now that COVID is close to falling below pandemic levels, what should our next steps be? The death rate continues to go way down. Check. Most people are wearing masks. Check. Many people continue to WFH. Check. Now what?

WTH??? Not even Fox makes this assertion.

He means epidemic levels according to CDC's definition based on percentage of total deaths in an area.
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(07-08-2020 07:31 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  He means epidemic levels according to CDC's definition based on percentage of total deaths in an area.

Right. I wasn't making any assertions other than the facts based on CDC's definitions.


Also, because right now, I'm still most worried about my kids and their schooling, I should point this out from the CDC:

Quote:For children (0-17 years), cumulative COVID-19 hospitalization rates are much lower than cumulative influenza hospitalization rates at comparable time points* during recent influenza seasons.
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There are also roughly 1/4 the deaths from COVID as there were from flu last year in children (0-15). I only used 15 instead of 17 because that is how the data was broken down.
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(07-08-2020 01:29 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(07-07-2020 04:10 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(07-07-2020 03:58 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-07-2020 02:37 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Seriously, he may be the least corrupt president we have had in my lifetime for no other reason than that he cannot get away with anything without the entirety of the media and career gov't officials clamoring to throw him under the bus.

LOL. Orange Kool Aid.

I'm not even that big of a fan, mostly because he can't control his mouth (tweets), but go ahead and educate us with all the examples of corruption, and please stick to the ones that haven't been completely debunked.


Might want to look at the decision that ICE put out on Monday regarding international students.

“Mostly because he can’t control his mouth (tweets)” = “I wish he wasn’t so openly racist......”

And since you want to play this game of “completely debunked” go ahead and tell us which ones those are?

Yep. Not what I meant at all, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. You can have the last word. I won't respond on this topic again.
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(07-08-2020 09:05 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  These help to put things in perspective.

https://twitter.com/wesbury/status/12790...s-n2572007

https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/12803...s-n2572007

That first link is BS and defies logic. The second, I have no problem believing and hope that a better understanding of treating the virus is increasing the survival rate.
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(07-08-2020 09:18 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:05 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  These help to put things in perspective.

https://twitter.com/wesbury/status/12790...s-n2572007

https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/12803...s-n2572007

That first link is BS and defies logic. The second, I have no problem believing and hope that a better understanding of treating the virus is increasing the survival rate.

So, you don't believe that a sixfold increase in the number of tests administered would yield a significant increase in confirmed positives?
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(07-08-2020 09:30 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:18 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:05 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  These help to put things in perspective.

https://twitter.com/wesbury/status/12790...s-n2572007

https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/12803...s-n2572007

That first link is BS and defies logic. The second, I have no problem believing and hope that a better understanding of treating the virus is increasing the survival rate.

So, you don't believe that a sixfold increase in the number of tests administered would yield a significant increase in confirmed positives?

The better question is if you believe there were upward of 140K daily new cases at the beginning of March. It's faulty logic to say if the positivity rate at 100K tests is 15% then it would also be 15% at 600K. He says this is an "assumption" and it's a ludicrous one.
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(07-08-2020 09:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:30 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:18 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:05 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  These help to put things in perspective.

https://twitter.com/wesbury/status/12790...s-n2572007

https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/12803...s-n2572007

That first link is BS and defies logic. The second, I have no problem believing and hope that a better understanding of treating the virus is increasing the survival rate.

So, you don't believe that a sixfold increase in the number of tests administered would yield a significant increase in confirmed positives?

The better question is if you believe there were upward of 140K daily new cases at the beginning of March.

New York City itself has 7M people. Outbreak also included heavily populated NY metro areas in NJ, CT, and Long Island. New Orleans, Detroit, Philly, Boston, and Seattle were having outbreaks at the same time. We know that over 90% shake the thing off with no medical attention necessary (and likely no testing). Does not seem out of the realm of possibility to me.
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(07-08-2020 09:18 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:05 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  These help to put things in perspective.

https://twitter.com/wesbury/status/12790...s-n2572007

https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/12803...s-n2572007

That first link is BS and defies logic. The second, I have no problem believing and hope that a better understanding of treating the virus is increasing the survival rate.

Right, the first link is just made up stuff to try to make it look better. It doesn't make sense.

The 2nd one makes a ton of sense. I would hope treatment improves as we learn more about the virus.
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(07-08-2020 09:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:30 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:18 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-08-2020 09:05 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  These help to put things in perspective.

https://twitter.com/wesbury/status/12790...s-n2572007

https://twitter.com/malkusm/status/12803...s-n2572007

That first link is BS and defies logic. The second, I have no problem believing and hope that a better understanding of treating the virus is increasing the survival rate.

So, you don't believe that a sixfold increase in the number of tests administered would yield a significant increase in confirmed positives?

The better question is if you believe there were upward of 140K daily new cases at the beginning of March. It's faulty logic to say if the positivity rate at 100K tests is 15% then it would also be 15% at 600K. He says this is an "assumption" and it's a ludicrous one.

I will cede that extrapolating the positive test rate could overstate the earlier numbers, but I think it is completely unreasonable to believe that 6X testing would not have resulted it a vastly higher number of confirmed positives.
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Seems there is a difference between actual rate of increase and rate of discovery of existing cases. Increased testing obviously results in more discovered cases, but in hot spot areas the rate of testing is not 6x higher than previous and rate of increase appears to far out pace testing. Difficult to quantify, but when hospitals report near capacity with covid, seems reasonable to assume rate of infection has increased.
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We have to be careful even with testing data, as it really isn't that great.

Here's an example (this same thing happened in Virginia a month or two ago): https://alachuachronicle.com/covid-test-...-reported/
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There is no point in looking at number of cases. Some states like Georgia and Florida are cooking the books and others have put out misleading data.

Not method is foolproof. To me, it makes way too much sense to focus on excess deaths because that is likely going to be the best indication for how many people are dying. Obviously hospitalizations should also be considered because we cannot let them be overwelmed. But, nothing gives us the best indicator better than excess deaths, imo. I don't believe in coincidences.
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