looks like i'll be re-upping my verizon fios deal.. they will still get my annual angry email demanding LHN be broadcasted with it's HD channels.

As of 06/30/2020 -
From a sports fan perspective.
This does not include any temporary promotional prices

$8/month - Fanatiz - BEIN Sports, BEIN Espanol, BEIN Sports Connect, Gol TV English and Spanish, TYC Sports International, Nuestre Tele International
An afforable soccer focused streaming service

$10/month - Sling World Sports - BEIN Sports, BEIN Sports Connect, Outside TV, Willow TV, Willow TV Extra, Nautical Channel
An easy way to add BEIN if your main provider doesnt carry it or if BEIN is all you want. Willow is a cricket network too.

$30/month - Sling Orange - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, TBS, TNT, Stadium
The cheapest price point available to get ESPN/2, TBS, and TNT. Also includes easy access to Stadium

$30/month - Sling Blue - FS1, NBCSN, Local FOX/NBC affiliate and NBC RSN (if available), TBS, TNT, TruTV, Stadium
The cheapest price point available to get FOX/NBC/Turner. Also includes easy access to Stadium. NFL Network currently in dispute.

$40/month - Sling Orange & Sports Pack - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, ESPN Goal Line/Bases Loaded, SEC Network, ACC Network, TBS, TNT, PAC 12 Network, NBA Network, NHL Network, MLB Network, MLB Strikezone, Tennis Channel, BEIN Sports, Stadium, OutsideTV,
The cheapest price point available to get all ESPN Networks, TBS, and TNT with most other specialty sport networks. MISSING: NFL Network, RSNs, CBSSN, Big 10 Network, FS1/FS2, NBCSN, Golf, and Olympic

$40/month - Sling Blue & Sports Pack - FS1, FS2, NBCSN, Local FOX/NBC Affiliate and NBC RSN (if available), TBS, TNT, TruTv, NBA Network, NHL Network, MLB Network, MLB Strikezone, Tennis Channel, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, Pac 12 Network, BEIN Sports, Stadium, OutsideTV
Gets you many sports channels. MISSING: most RSNs, the ESPN Networks, CBSSN, Big 10 Network (noted as coming in 2020 for football season). NFL Network currently in dispute.

$40/month - Vidgo Core - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Deportes, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, ESPN Goal Line/Bases Loaded, SEC Network, ACC Network, Longhorn Network, FS1, FS2, Fox Deportes, Big Ten Network, Local FOX/ABC Affiliates (if available), NFL Network, Pac 12 Network, BEIN Sports, Stadium, MAV TV
New Sevice that had added ESPN and Fox Networks plus the NFL Network. This package is worth a look for college sports fans. MISSING: RSN, NBC, NBCSN, CBS, CBSSN, NBA, NHL, MLB, Golf, Olympic, Tennis, Redzone, PAC 12 Regionals

$45/month - Sling Orange/Blue Combo- ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, FS1, NBCSN, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Local FOX/NBC Affiliate and NBC RSN (if available)
The Cheapest way to get ESPN, NBCSN, and FS1

$50/month - Vidgo Plus - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Deportes, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, ESPN Goal Line/Bases Loaded, SEC Network, ACC Network, Longhorn Network, FS1, FS2, Fox Deportes, Big Ten Network, Local FOX/ABC Affiliates (if available), NFL Network, NFL Redzone Pac 12 Network and Regional PAC 12 Networks, BEIN Sports, Stadium, MAV TV
New Sevice that had added ESPN and Fox Networks plus Redzone. This package is worth a look for college sports fans. MISSING: RSN, NBC, NBCSN, CBS, CBSSN, NBA, NHL, MLB, Golf, Olympic, Tennis

$55/month - Hulu Live TV - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, ESPN GoalLine, ESPN College Extra, FS1, FS2, CBSSN, NBCSN, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Big 10 Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, Local ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX Affiliate and RSN (if available)
ESPN3 Content can be accessed with a Hulu Live TV login in the ESPN app.
MISSING: NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB/TENNIS/PAC 12/BEIN

$55/month - AT&T TV Now Plus - ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, NBCSN, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Local FOX/NBC/ABC/CBS Affiliates (if available)
Basic level package with the most popular sports networks. There is a MAX option that adds specialty sports channels including ESPNU, Golf, Olympic, FS2, and local RSNs for $80/month

$55/month - FuboTv - FS1, FS2, CBSSN, NBCSN, Golf, Big 10 Network, PAC 12 Network, NFL Network, BEIN, BEIN Connect Networks, TVG, Local NBC/CBS/FOX and RSN (If available)
Fubo also carries the Univision networks which is what sets them apart. No FOX RSNs. ESPN Networks coming in August. Turner Networks currently in dispute. Price jumping to $65/month in August.

Fubo had an Extra package for $6/month that includes Tennis, MLB, NBA, NHL, Stadium, and the Stadium Xtra channels along with some other non sports channels.

Fubo has a sports pack available for additional $11/month which will add NFL Redzone, MLB, MLB Strikezone, Tennis Channel, NBA, NHL, Stadium, the Stadium Xtra channels and other minor Sports Networks/Alternate feeds like the PAC 12 regional networks and Gol TV

$60/month - Sling Orange/Blue Combo with Sports - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 content, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, ESPN Goal Line/Bases Loaded, SEC Network, ACC Network, FS1, FS2, NBCSN, Local FOX/NBC Affiliate and NBC RSN (if available), TBS, TNT, TruTv, NBA Network, NHL Network, MLB Network, MLB Strikezone, Tennis Channel, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, Pac 12 Network, BEIN Sports, Stadium, OutsideTV
Gets you pretty much all sports channels except most RSNs, CBSSN and the Big 10 Network, which is coming for 2020 football season. NFL Network and Redzone are currently in dispute

$65/month - YouTube TV - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNNEWS, ESPNU, FS1, FS2, CBSSN, NBCSN, Golf Channel, Olympic Channel, TBS, TNT, TruTV, Big 10 Network, SEC Network, ACC Network, NBA Network, MLB Network, Tennis Channel, Local ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX Affiliate and RSN (if available)
YouTube TV is probably the most well rounded package for sports if you do not need NFL Network. ESPN 3 content is available via ESPN app. Issues with Fox RSN availability in certain zip codes

Fubo dropping the Turner networks immediately and raising price to $65/month in August to coincide with launch of ESPN

(06-30-2020 06:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  As of 06/30/2020 -
From a sports fan perspective.
This does not include any temporary promotional prices

(snip)

See, this is one reason I just fork over $199 a month (just paid the July bill this morning) for my COX Cable: It's just easier: I don't have to spend time investigating all the various streaming plans and packages out there to save $30 a month or whatever. I'm not hurting financially, so it just isn't worth the hassle of cobbling together streaming plans, constantly trying to min-max the latest deals and incentives, etc.

Frankly, I'd rather pay a bit more per month than have to deal with that.

My COX bill does include my internet, that's about $70 of it. Throw on top $25 extra I pay for Netflix and Disney+, and I pay around $155 a month for TV. I can live with that.

My one hassle occurs in November: That's when COX always tries to boost my rate, usually by about $40. So I get on the phone with their "retention" department, threaten to sign with ATT Uverse or YouTube, and they cut the rate increase back to something reasonable, like $10.

(07-01-2020 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 06:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  As of 06/30/2020 -
From a sports fan perspective.
This does not include any temporary promotional prices

(snip)

See, this is one reason I just fork over $199 a month (just paid the July bill this morning) for my COX Cable: It's just easier: I don't have to spend time investigating all the various streaming plans and packages out there to save $30 a month or whatever. I'm not hurting financially, so it just isn't worth the hassle of cobbling together streaming plans, constantly trying to min-max the latest deals and incentives, etc.

Frankly, I'd rather pay a bit more per month than have to deal with that.

My COX bill does include my internet, that's about $70 of it. Throw on top $25 extra I pay for Netflix and Disney+, and I pay around $155 a month for TV. I can live with that.

My one hassle occurs in November: That's when COX always tries to boost my rate, usually by about $40. So I get on the phone with their "retention" department, threaten to sign with ATT Uverse or YouTube, and they cut the rate increase back to something reasonable, like $10.

Right when that method stopped working is when I ditched cable

The fees on cable companies and satellite are out of control... Fees for HD, DVR,modems, each additional receiver that adds up to another 50 or more a month really quickly. I remember way back when Comcast used to charge $3 a month just for a remote to the cable box.

(07-01-2020 08:24 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 06:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  As of 06/30/2020 -
From a sports fan perspective.
This does not include any temporary promotional prices

(snip)

See, this is one reason I just fork over $199 a month (just paid the July bill this morning) for my COX Cable: It's just easier: I don't have to spend time investigating all the various streaming plans and packages out there to save $30 a month or whatever. I'm not hurting financially, so it just isn't worth the hassle of cobbling together streaming plans, constantly trying to min-max the latest deals and incentives, etc.

Frankly, I'd rather pay a bit more per month than have to deal with that.

My COX bill does include my internet, that's about $70 of it. Throw on top $25 extra I pay for Netflix and Disney+, and I pay around $155 a month for TV. I can live with that.

My one hassle occurs in November: That's when COX always tries to boost my rate, usually by about $40. So I get on the phone with their "retention" department, threaten to sign with ATT Uverse or YouTube, and they cut the rate increase back to something reasonable, like $10.

Right when that method stopped working is when I ditched cable

If it stops working for me, i probably will too.

(06-30-2020 01:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The advantage over cable takes a big hit.

Yup! For me, still a better deal than cable, but that gap has narrowed considerably. At this rate, the remaining gap might very well disappear in a year or so.

(07-01-2020 01:17 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 01:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The advantage over cable takes a big hit.

Yup! For me, still a better deal than cable, but that gap has narrowed considerably. At this rate, the remaining gap might very well disappear in a year or so.

Yes, I love the experience with streaming and not dealing with annoying calls to cable companies. Those calls may have to start again if YTTV doesn't stop raising prices. I don't even care about any of the new additions they've added to cause the increase. TV has us by the ba!!s!

Why can’t there be an all-sports OTT service or one where you could pick 10-15 channels for $30??? This is what consumers want!

(07-01-2020 01:17 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 01:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The advantage over cable takes a big hit.

:coffee3:

Yup! For me, still a better deal than cable, but that gap has narrowed considerably. At this rate, the remaining gap might very well disappear in a year or so.

Cable is cheaper in a way for me, but... the added costs of ‘renting’ boxes still is the deal breaker. It adds another $40+ dollars/month.

But I’m still way under with my s Philo TV at $20/ month and OTA.

(07-01-2020 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Why can’t there be an all-sports OTT service or one where you could pick 10-15 channels for $30??? This is what consumers want!

I think it's because the same media conglomerates that own the sports networks also own other types of networks. When they're making a deal with a cable company, they want their entire package available. They make more money that way.

Of course, for us sports fans, we would rather them just isolate the sports product, but they probably don't make as much money that way.

(07-01-2020 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Why can’t there be an all-sports OTT service or one where you could pick 10-15 channels for $30??? This is what consumers want!

ESPN by itself would be at least $10. ESPN 2/U/News and the others would make it close to $20

(07-01-2020 01:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 01:17 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 01:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The advantage over cable takes a big hit.

Yup! For me, still a better deal than cable, but that gap has narrowed considerably. At this rate, the remaining gap might very well disappear in a year or so.

Yes, I love the experience with streaming and not dealing with annoying calls to cable companies. Those calls may have to start again if YTTV doesn't stop raising prices. I don't even care about any of the new additions they've added to cause the increase. TV has us by the ba!!s!

Yeah the streaming experience is way better in my opinion. I don't miss channel surfing through garbage channels like QVC and Sci-fi only to end up watching the second half of Backdraft on TBS.

I like a searchable menu, cloud DVR with no boxes. It's just easy.

(07-01-2020 02:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Why can’t there be an all-sports OTT service or one where you could pick 10-15 channels for $30??? This is what consumers want!

ESPN by itself would be at least $10. ESPN 2/U/News and the others would make it close to $20

So what? I would pay $50-75 a month for a sports package only. Especially if I could customize it a-la-carte. Who would choose to pay for ESPNews? I know why they don’t offer it, but all these OTT offering are becoming cable without the contracts, equipment and installs.

(07-01-2020 03:21 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 02:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Why can’t there be an all-sports OTT service or one where you could pick 10-15 channels for $30??? This is what consumers want!

ESPN by itself would be at least $10. ESPN 2/U/News and the others would make it close to $20

So what? I would pay $50-75 a month for a sports package only. Especially if I could customize it a-la-carte. Who would choose to pay for ESPNews? I know why they don’t offer it, but all these OTT offering are becoming cable without the contracts, equipment and installs.

Sling Orange has ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 authentication, TBS, TNT and Stadium for $30, together with 25 non sports channels. That is the cheapest option for subscribing to ESPN.

For relatively complete sports packages, YouTube TV and Hulu + Live are the only realistic options. Fubo and Vidgo are both missing TBS and TNT now, which therefore omits half of the NBA national games, a big part of the MLB playoffs and, most importantly for this board, the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament.

Also worth noting, Fubo followed YouTube's lead today and increased its price to $60 as it adds a Disney/ESPN channel package and drops its WarnerMedia/AT&T channel package.

(07-01-2020 05:14 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 03:21 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 02:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Why can’t there be an all-sports OTT service or one where you could pick 10-15 channels for $30??? This is what consumers want!

ESPN by itself would be at least $10. ESPN 2/U/News and the others would make it close to $20

So what? I would pay $50-75 a month for a sports package only. Especially if I could customize it a-la-carte. Who would choose to pay for ESPNews? I know why they don’t offer it, but all these OTT offering are becoming cable without the contracts, equipment and installs.

Sling Orange has ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 authentication, TBS, TNT and Stadium for $30, together with 25 non sports channels. That is the cheapest option for subscribing to ESPN.

For relatively complete sports packages, YouTube TV and Hulu + Live are the only realistic options. Fubo and Vidgo are both missing TBS and TNT now, which therefore omits half of the NBA national games, a big part of the MLB playoffs and, most importantly for this board, the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament.
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Also worth noting, Fubo followed YouTube's lead today and increased its price to $60 as it adds a Disney/ESPN channel package and drops its WarnerMedia/AT&T channel package.

Sling Orange is pretty good, missing FS1 and some other channels. As you mentioned, Fubo dropped the Turner channels and added ESPN. That is the problem with every single service, it's always missing something. Let us pick 15 channels for $50 or something. I don't want Disney Jr and ABC Family. I would rather pay $10 for ESPN alone, than $8 for ESPN and a bunch of Disney owned channels.

(07-01-2020 05:14 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 03:21 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 02:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Why can’t there be an all-sports OTT service or one where you could pick 10-15 channels for $30??? This is what consumers want!

ESPN by itself would be at least $10. ESPN 2/U/News and the others would make it close to $20

So what? I would pay $50-75 a month for a sports package only. Especially if I could customize it a-la-carte. Who would choose to pay for ESPNews? I know why they don’t offer it, but all these OTT offering are becoming cable without the contracts, equipment and installs.

Sling Orange has ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 authentication, TBS, TNT and Stadium for $30, together with 25 non sports channels. That is the cheapest option for subscribing to ESPN.

For relatively complete sports packages, YouTube TV and Hulu + Live are the only realistic options. Fubo and Vidgo are both missing TBS and TNT now, which therefore omits half of the NBA national games, a big part of the MLB playoffs and, most importantly for this board, the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament.

Also worth noting, Fubo followed YouTube's lead today and increased its price to $60 as it adds a Disney/ESPN channel package and drops its WarnerMedia/AT&T channel package.

Fubo not having TBS and TNT is a deal breaker for fans of college basketball, NBA, and/or MLB.

(07-01-2020 05:41 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 05:14 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 03:21 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 02:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Why can’t there be an all-sports OTT service or one where you could pick 10-15 channels for $30??? This is what consumers want!

ESPN by itself would be at least $10. ESPN 2/U/News and the others would make it close to $20

So what? I would pay $50-75 a month for a sports package only. Especially if I could customize it a-la-carte. Who would choose to pay for ESPNews? I know why they don’t offer it, but all these OTT offering are becoming cable without the contracts, equipment and installs.

Sling Orange has ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 authentication, TBS, TNT and Stadium for $30, together with 25 non sports channels. That is the cheapest option for subscribing to ESPN.

For relatively complete sports packages, YouTube TV and Hulu + Live are the only realistic options. Fubo and Vidgo are both missing TBS and TNT now, which therefore omits half of the NBA national games, a big part of the MLB playoffs and, most importantly for this board, the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament.
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Also worth noting, Fubo followed YouTube's lead today and increased its price to $60 as it adds a Disney/ESPN channel package and drops its WarnerMedia/AT&T channel package.

Sling Orange is pretty good, missing FS1 and some other channels. As you mentioned, Fubo dropped the Turner channels and added ESPN. That is the problem with every single service, it's always missing something. Let us pick 15 channels for $50 or something. I don't want Disney Jr and ABC Family. I would rather pay $10 for ESPN alone, than $8 for ESPN and a bunch of Disney owned channels.

At this point, cable networks have to be careful not to offer more advantageous deals to the Over the Top competitors than they do to traditional cable and satellite providers. This includes requiring providers to inclusion of a minimum group of corporate sister channels in order to offer high demand channels like ESPN. This limits their ability to build packages in a more flexible manner.

If you are willing to pay around $50 there are some good options. Hulu + Live TV is only $55 and includes essentially all of the key channels with national sports rights (the NFL Network being the notable exception) and many (but not all) RSNs. YouTube TV was an incredible deal at $50, less so at $65.

If there are only a handful of key channels that you want, though, you may be able to find a good combo with Sling Orange or Sling Blue, or Vidgo, in the $30-40 range. As a Syracuse fan, the key channels for me are ESPN, ESPN2, ACCN, TBS and TNT. I can add CBS for one month during the NCAAT for $6. Sling Orange with Sports Extra gets me all of those for $40. However, when you compare that to Hulu + Live TV, you can get a huge number of extra channels, sports and other, essentially for just $15.

Jesus, just get sling.