Hoops i never said green bay division was the best i would think average,but still better than ne division.

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(06-30-2020 03:04 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  Hoops i never said green bay division was the best i would think average,but still better than ne division.

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I'm just telling you, it's not as bad as some people think. By showing you that it's been better than the Pack division 40% of the time the last 10 years that should prove that

That is not good. The viking and bears are good at times but lions have been terrible with all the the 1st round picks they were able to get over the years

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Lol hearing Pats fans defend the AFC East is always hilarious to me. Name the 3 best QBs to play against Brady in that division and it pretty much ruins any defense they have.

(06-30-2020 03:13 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  That is not good. The viking and bears are good at times but lions have been terrible with all the the 1st round picks they were able to get over the years

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Vikings and Bears have had very good and very bad seasons during that time frame.

Gary- If you want to get down to that level of granularity, let's start looking at some of the other divisions. I'm not saying it's the best division, I'm saying is not as bad as some people (obviously you) think it is. The Bills D has been top 5 in the league for about 5 years now, they play them twice. Pretty sure QB's don't REALLY play against each other, they play against the other teams D. You start looking at wins in/out of the division if you want a true comparison. The Pats beat very good teams outside the division every single year as well(last year was an anomaly).

Hoops you first said 20 years and in the last few years the other teams in the division have improved. I see the Buffalo team being very good and may win the division this year.

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(06-30-2020 03:30 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  Hoops you first said 20 years and in the last few years the other teams in the division have improved. I see the Buffalo team being very good and may win the division this year.

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You said 20....... I went back 10 because that's what I had time for. Jets had some really good seasons in the early 2000's too

(06-30-2020 03:02 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  And there it is, as I mentioned above. Sucks to be a Jets fan(and Mets too) damn you must be sports miserable

Pretty sure all 31 other NFL teams hate that the Pats get away with cheating. Including the successful ones.

But sure. Go with the "people hate success" theory as the entire basis if it helps you feel better about it.

(06-30-2020 03:26 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:13 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  That is not good. The viking and bears are good at times but lions have been terrible with all the the 1st round picks they were able to get over the years

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Vikings and Bears have had very good and very bad seasons during that time frame.

Gary- If you want to get down to that level of granularity, let's start looking at some of the other divisions. I'm not saying it's the best division, I'm saying is not as bad as some people (obviously you) think it is. The Bills D has been top 5 in the league for about 5 years now, they play them twice. Pretty sure QB's don't REALLY play against each other, they play against the other teams D. You start looking at wins in/out of the division if you want a true comparison. The Pats beat very good teams outside the division every single year as well(last year was an anomaly).

I don't want it to seem like I'm taking away from anything that the Pats have done. I think it's obvious they would've dominated any division the past 2 decades. However, at the end of the day you have to have good QBs to consistently win in the NFL. There just hasn't been much of that outside of New England in that division. Bills had a long playoffless streak, Dolphins haven't won a playoff game since 2000, the Jets had some decent teams during the Pats run but we all know they're usually bad. I don't get why Pats fans get so defensive over the AFC East, it doesn't take away any of the legitimacy from those Super Bowl Ws. That's just my opinion though.

(06-30-2020 04:48 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:26 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:13 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  That is not good. The viking and bears are good at times but lions have been terrible with all the the 1st round picks they were able to get over the years

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Vikings and Bears have had very good and very bad seasons during that time frame.

Gary- If you want to get down to that level of granularity, let's start looking at some of the other divisions. I'm not saying it's the best division, I'm saying is not as bad as some people (obviously you) think it is. The Bills D has been top 5 in the league for about 5 years now, they play them twice. Pretty sure QB's don't REALLY play against each other, they play against the other teams D. You start looking at wins in/out of the division if you want a true comparison. The Pats beat very good teams outside the division every single year as well(last year was an anomaly).

I don't want it to seem like I'm taking away from anything that the Pats have done. I think it's obvious they would've dominated any division the past 2 decades. However, at the end of the day you have to have good QBs to consistently win in the NFL. There just hasn't been much of that outside of New England in that division. Bills had a long playoffless streak, Dolphins haven't won a playoff game since 2000, the Jets had some decent teams during the Pats run but we all know they're usually bad. I don't get why Pats fans get so defensive over the AFC East, it doesn't take away any of the legitimacy from those Super Bowl Ws. That's just my opinion though.

Probably because we hear it often, and many of the times it's from fans of teams that have had some weak divisions too.

(06-30-2020 04:54 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 04:48 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:26 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:13 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  That is not good. The viking and bears are good at times but lions have been terrible with all the the 1st round picks they were able to get over the years

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Vikings and Bears have had very good and very bad seasons during that time frame.

Gary- If you want to get down to that level of granularity, let's start looking at some of the other divisions. I'm not saying it's the best division, I'm saying is not as bad as some people (obviously you) think it is. The Bills D has been top 5 in the league for about 5 years now, they play them twice. Pretty sure QB's don't REALLY play against each other, they play against the other teams D. You start looking at wins in/out of the division if you want a true comparison. The Pats beat very good teams outside the division every single year as well(last year was an anomaly).

I don't want it to seem like I'm taking away from anything that the Pats have done. I think it's obvious they would've dominated any division the past 2 decades. However, at the end of the day you have to have good QBs to consistently win in the NFL. There just hasn't been much of that outside of New England in that division. Bills had a long playoffless streak, Dolphins haven't won a playoff game since 2000, the Jets had some decent teams during the Pats run but we all know they're usually bad. I don't get why Pats fans get so defensive over the AFC East, it doesn't take away any of the legitimacy from those Super Bowl Ws. That's just my opinion though.

Probably because we hear it often, and many of the times it's from fans of teams that have had some weak divisions too.

Haha that's fair. I have several friends that root for that Pats and feel the same way that you do. It's always funny to me because if my team had all those rings, I wouldn't even care lol.

It is easier to get to the super bowl if you are one of the top 2 seeds and anything can happen in the super bowl. So congrats on them winning the super bowls.

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(06-30-2020 04:57 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 04:54 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 04:48 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:26 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 03:13 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  That is not good. The viking and bears are good at times but lions have been terrible with all the the 1st round picks they were able to get over the years

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Vikings and Bears have had very good and very bad seasons during that time frame.

Gary- If you want to get down to that level of granularity, let's start looking at some of the other divisions. I'm not saying it's the best division, I'm saying is not as bad as some people (obviously you) think it is. The Bills D has been top 5 in the league for about 5 years now, they play them twice. Pretty sure QB's don't REALLY play against each other, they play against the other teams D. You start looking at wins in/out of the division if you want a true comparison. The Pats beat very good teams outside the division every single year as well(last year was an anomaly).

I don't want it to seem like I'm taking away from anything that the Pats have done. I think it's obvious they would've dominated any division the past 2 decades. However, at the end of the day you have to have good QBs to consistently win in the NFL. There just hasn't been much of that outside of New England in that division. Bills had a long playoffless streak, Dolphins haven't won a playoff game since 2000, the Jets had some decent teams during the Pats run but we all know they're usually bad. I don't get why Pats fans get so defensive over the AFC East, it doesn't take away any of the legitimacy from those Super Bowl Ws. That's just my opinion though.

Probably because we hear it often, and many of the times it's from fans of teams that have had some weak divisions too.

Haha that's fair. I have several friends that root for that Pats and feel the same way that you do. It's always funny to me because if my team had all those rings, I wouldn't even care lol.

Yeah I hear ya. Maybe knowing that it's likely over adds a little extra sting. Been a good ride. Really wish Brady would have gone out on top 2 years ago. Wouldn't have been a bad time for Bill either honestly.

Big time scandal news will be coming out today (approximately getting released at noon) about the Washington Fightin' Dan Snyder's.

Jason La Confora tweeted that the team is about to be exposed "in a sickening fashion".

I wonder if its related to the cheerleader mini-scandal that came out in 2018: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sport...s-nfl.html

Story dropped. I mean. It’s appears very legit allegations. I don’t see how it threatens to dismantle the organization completely though. Doesn’t appear that anything directly tied to Dan Snyder. Other owners are probably pissed because it will highlight that mentality across the NFL as a whole. Good. Just more reason not to watch or care this year or for the foreseeable future.

One thing this whole ordeal the last several months has made me realize... I’m perfectly capable of living my life without giving a crap about a bunch of athletes way over paid to play games.

The more stuff like this coming to light is at a bad time for pro sports because there’s a lot of folks like me who are growing less inclined to pay for tickets, pay for viewing services, etc. I honestly wouldn’t care at this point if pro sports ceased to exist. They can all go learn what it’s like to work for a living for all I care.


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I think the Washington Post lawyers did a hatchet job on this thing. There were a lot more leaks leading up to this story's release that suggested even bigger scandals going on. Like one involving Jay Gruden and RB Kapri Bibbs sleeping with the same woman, and then Bibbs getting cut because of it. And an accusation that Snyder paid off refs to the tune of up to $2M, and he wasn't the only NFL owner doing it.

But either way, yeah, I've been fine without Pro Sports. I'll pay attention a little bit from afar but its not as centrally important as it used to be for me.

Athletes and owners alike are unlikable and, often, despicable.

(07-16-2020 09:16 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I think the Washington Post lawyers did a hatchet job on this thing. There were a lot more leaks leading up to this story's release that suggested even bigger scandals going on. Like one involving Jay Gruden and RB Kapri Bibbs sleeping with the same woman, and then Bibbs getting cut because of it. And an accusation that Snyder paid off refs to the tune of up to $2M, and he wasn't the only NFL owner doing it.

But either way, yeah, I've been fine without Pro Sports. I'll pay attention a little bit from afar but its not as centrally important as it used to be for me.

Athletes and owners alike are unlikable and, often, despicable.

If Snyder spent that much money to pay off refs, than he got robbed blind considering the team formerly known as the Redskins have been trash for years.

I dunno. Some of these claims seem pretty flimsy. Like you already said, no evidence of huge organization deep scandal so far. Additionally, I read some of the texts that have been made public. Honestly, those guys seem like some trashy scum bags with no business in management, but the chick that kept texting “bring me food” repeatedly to one of the dumbarse dudes definitely comes off like an entitled primadonna early 20s type female looking for a sugar daddy type. Those dudes were just too dumb and thirsty for action. Which, seems about par for the football world. A bunch of over paid dudes that get surrounded by young, and let’s be honest... stunningly beautiful women.

The whole situation is cringe to me. Makes me ill.


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(07-16-2020 11:14 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  If Snyder spent that much money to pay off refs, than he got robbed blind considering the team formerly known as the Redskins have been trash for years.

I dunno. Some of these claims seem pretty flimsy. Like you already said, no evidence of huge organization deep scandal so far. Additionally, I read some of the texts that have been made public. Honestly, those guys seem like some trashy scum bags with no business in management, but the chick that kept texting “bring me food” repeatedly to one of the dumbarse dudes definitely comes off like an entitled primadonna early 20s type female looking for a sugar daddy type. Those dudes were just too dumb and thirsty for action. Which, seems about par for the football world. A bunch of over paid dudes that get surrounded by young, and let’s be honest... stunningly beautiful women.

The whole situation is cringe to me. Makes me ill.

I suspect the more full picture of what was going on in Washington will come out eventually. Who knows; maybe the FBI is looking into it and instructed the Post to limit what they released in the article. Maybe the full power of the NFL was used to try to limit the story. A lot of possibilities here.

But I'm certainly not going to take this story alone at face value as the only stuff that was going on. Since last summer the organization's executives and business people have been jumping ship due to a reportedly "toxic environment". Other journalists were telling people to brace for a huge story but could only give limited details. Something else was going on here, for sure.

And even having said that, what was reported thus far was bad enough.

And this item here is sketchy as hell:


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...has-hired/

NFL plans to defer to the lawyer Daniel Snyder has hired
Posted by Mike Florio on July 17, 2020, 8:15 AM EDT

The stage is set for Daniel Snyder to emerge from the biggest scandal of his two-plus decades years of ownership without facing serious scrutiny from the league office.

The inescapable clue appears smack dab in the middle of the league’s statement in response to the Washington Post article regarding 15 former female employees who claim that they were the victims of sexual harassment while working for the Washington franchise: “Washington has engaged outside counsel to conduct a thorough investigation into these allegations. The club has pledged that it will give its full cooperation to the investigator and we expect the club and all employees to do so. We will meet with the attorneys upon the conclusion of their investigation and take any action based on their findings.”

Washington has engaged outside counsel, not the NFL. Outside counsel always has a duty to outside counsel’s client. Here, outside counsel’s client is Washington. More specifically, the client is Snyder. Outside counsel undoubtedly will not make findings that include, for example, placing significant blame on Snyder for creating, tolerating, encouraging, and/or failing to rectify a toxic culture that resulted in these allegations.

Amazingly, the league has decided both to allow and to embrace this approach. Did the Saints get to hire their own lawyer to investigate the bounty scandal? Did the Dolphins get to hire their own lawyer to investigate the Richie Incognito/Jonathan Martin situation? Did the Patriots get to hire their own lawyer to investigate the Tom Brady air-pressure allegations? Far more relevant to the current situation, did the Panthers get to hire their own lawyer to investigate the allegations of misconduct that eventually forced team founder Jerry Richardson to sell?

The table in this case already is set for the outside counsel to find Snyder blameless, primarily because none of the 15 former female employees made accusations against him. Yes, it may take some smart lawyering to insulate Snyder without making him look like a nincompoop for not knowing what was happening under his nose, but he has hired a smart lawyer.

Tied closely to whether the lawyer hired by Snyder will conclude that Snyder has significant responsibility for the workplace environment in the workplace he owns comes the question of whether and to what extent the investigation will feature transparency. If/when (when) the league and/or the team decide to provide little or nothing by way of details because the situation deals with “personnel matters,” there will be no way to check outside counsel’s work in order to determine whether a fair, even-handed investigation and analysis occurred as it relates to Snyder’s role, responsibility, and accountability.

But the answer already is known. Washington, not the NFL, has hired outside counsel. The NFL has accepted and endorsed that approach. The chances of Snyder himself ultimately being responsible for anything that happened during his 21 years of owning the team are, at this point, very small.