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(06-28-2020 10:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Are you saying a schedule of BYU, UMass, NMSt and a couple P5s is more deserving of a Access Spot than running the gauntlet of UCF, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, Navy and a couple P5s? Get out of here!

In that scenario it's not UConn you need to worry about, it's Notre Dame.
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(06-28-2020 10:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 08:56 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  And leaving for the Big East create concerns (and not just for Husky football but also because the American is better than the Big East in baseball and Husky baseball is very respectable).

If the second worst thing that can be said for a move is a negative impact on baseball, that has the ring of a pretty solid move. Like Hockey in the right area or Lacrosse in the right area, Baseball in the right area can be a break-even to modest surplus sport, unlike the true "subsidy" sports like track or men's volleyball ... but it's a long way away in potential impact from the two money sports.


I agree with you overall, BruceMcF.

I was thinking about it from a very specific perspective. The fans of UConn baseball and Husky baseball coaches might be a bit concerned as the program is going from the AAC (typically a top five or six league) to the Big East (typically ranked outside the top 10 and, sometimes, outside the top 12).

But your point is accurate.

I am strongly on record on this board of noting I feel the UConn move to the Big East is 1. smart; 2. understandable and 3. not worthy of all the harsh criticism many on the board have made regarding Husky football.

However, it is too easy to assume that this will be a fantastic move by UConn overall (not suggesting you or anybody specifically on the board is doing so). I give credit to the various Husky fans who post on this board and acknowledge that they have concerns. They are being honest and forthright.
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(06-25-2020 07:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Wow! So is it still the AAC fault or is it the NBE fault now? Or maybe it's a UCONN administration issue. Not trolling anyone but after years of hearing that the AAC is killing UCONN athletes I've never ever heard one voice out of their fans or administration take accountability for running into this wall that they are hitting.

It's nobodies fault. It's simply that UConn thinks differently than schools like Memphis, Cincy, UCF, Houston, etc. Seeing Memphis play in the BE would be a blast for the hoops programs but it would also mean Memphis would have never made the Cotton Bowl...We won't sacrifice that just to help our hoops program.

UConn tried...Aresco tried...the AAC tried...ESPN even tried...but it just didn't work out.

good luck UConn and thanks for the 17 million.
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(06-26-2020 07:26 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What would have been if the ACC took UConn over Louisville. The ACC made a great decision at the time but if the ACC had taken UConn, I think UConn would have stabilized and improved. In that scenario Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia go to the Big 12 as a package and the Big 12 has actually 12 teams and I could see them a few years later or at the same time just going to 14 to become the Big 14 with Houston and Memphis to help the spread of the conference and to fire back on the SEC territory.

BIG XIV

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West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

SOUTH
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Texas
Houston

Would be a great basketball conference as well.

The Big East would just have dropped football at that point and cut USF loose leaving CUSA as what is now the American the best of the rest.

Dude... Cut it out, already. The Big XII has publicly passed on Cincinnati TWICE now. They were never...and WILL NEVER...add Cincinnati... period.
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(06-28-2020 09:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 07:26 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What would have been if the ACC took UConn over Louisville. The ACC made a great decision at the time but if the ACC had taken UConn, I think UConn would have stabilized and improved. In that scenario Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia go to the Big 12 as a package and the Big 12 has actually 12 teams and I could see them a few years later or at the same time just going to 14 to become the Big 14 with Houston and Memphis to help the spread of the conference and to fire back on the SEC territory.

BIG XIV

NORTH
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

SOUTH
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Texas
Houston

Would be a great basketball conference as well.

The Big East would just have dropped football at that point and cut USF loose leaving CUSA as what is now the American the best of the rest.

Dude... Cut it out, already. The Big XII has publicly passed on Cincinnati TWICE now. They were never...and WILL NEVER...add Cincinnati... period.

remove Texas/Oklahoma and the others will panic IMHO...hopefully teams like Cincy, Houston, Memphis, and UCF suddenly become attractive.
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(06-28-2020 09:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 09:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 07:26 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What would have been if the ACC took UConn over Louisville. The ACC made a great decision at the time but if the ACC had taken UConn, I think UConn would have stabilized and improved. In that scenario Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia go to the Big 12 as a package and the Big 12 has actually 12 teams and I could see them a few years later or at the same time just going to 14 to become the Big 14 with Houston and Memphis to help the spread of the conference and to fire back on the SEC territory.

BIG XIV

NORTH
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

SOUTH
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Texas
Houston

Would be a great basketball conference as well.

The Big East would just have dropped football at that point and cut USF loose leaving CUSA as what is now the American the best of the rest.

Dude... Cut it out, already. The Big XII has publicly passed on Cincinnati TWICE now. They were never...and WILL NEVER...add Cincinnati... period.

remove Texas/Oklahoma and the others will panic IMHO...hopefully teams like Cincy, Houston, Memphis, and UCF suddenly become attractive.

If the B12 implodes...and I don't think it will... "the other teams" will NOT include Kansas, WVU, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State. So...yeah...it won't be the Big XII except in name only.
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(06-28-2020 09:41 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 09:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 09:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 07:26 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What would have been if the ACC took UConn over Louisville. The ACC made a great decision at the time but if the ACC had taken UConn, I think UConn would have stabilized and improved. In that scenario Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia go to the Big 12 as a package and the Big 12 has actually 12 teams and I could see them a few years later or at the same time just going to 14 to become the Big 14 with Houston and Memphis to help the spread of the conference and to fire back on the SEC territory.

BIG XIV

NORTH
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

SOUTH
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Texas
Houston

Would be a great basketball conference as well.

The Big East would just have dropped football at that point and cut USF loose leaving CUSA as what is now the American the best of the rest.

Dude... Cut it out, already. The Big XII has publicly passed on Cincinnati TWICE now. They were never...and WILL NEVER...add Cincinnati... period.

remove Texas/Oklahoma and the others will panic IMHO...hopefully teams like Cincy, Houston, Memphis, and UCF suddenly become attractive.

If the B12 implodes...and I don't think it will... "the other teams" will NOT include Kansas, WVU, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State. So...yeah...it won't be the Big XII except in name only.

I'm OK with building a new conference with TCU, Houston, Baylor, SMU, Iowa State, Kansas State, Cincy, Memphis, UCF, USF as a starting point...try and get Navy/AF as football only members.
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(06-28-2020 09:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  ...remember, they chose independence.

No, they chose the Big East, who doesn’t sponsor football. It’s not the same kind of decision as BYU or Notre Dame choosing that direction, but more like UMass, who made a decision based on basketball than all of its sports.

And I hope UConn can succeed as an independent. It’s not a jab at their football or as a school. I just don’t think very highly of most school leaders. I don’t believe this school wants FBS football if it can’t be in the ACC or at any major table. Independence kicks the ball down the road a bit, but, I think they are probably talking quite often to Villanova about how to handle the sport when it really wants to promote basketball.
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(06-28-2020 10:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 09:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  ...remember, they chose independence.

No, they chose the Big East, who doesn’t sponsor football. It’s not the same kind of decision as BYU or Notre Dame choosing that direction, but more like UMass, who made a decision based on basketball than all of its sports.

And I hope UConn can succeed as an independent. It’s not a jab at their football or as a school. I just don’t think very highly of most school leaders. I don’t believe this school wants FBS football if it can’t be in the ACC or at any major table. Independence kicks the ball down the road a bit, but, I think they are probably talking quite often to Villanova about how to handle the sport when it really wants to promote basketball.

By having a football program and choosing to move to a non-football conference with no provision for their football, they chose FB independence.
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Honestly the best option for UCONN football at this point would be if they could cobble together some sort of NE version of the Sun Belt consisting of current independents, FCS call ups, and maybe a team or two from established conferences that are looking for a more regional conference.

Playing along with this pipe dream, a conference would be pretty decent with:
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Buffalo
Delaware
Marshall
James Madison
Old Dominion
Liberty
UNC Charlotte

All of that said. Ain’t gonna happen. Plus I don’t think a football-only FBS conference could even happen per NCAA regulation and there ain’t no way that UCONN is giving up BE basketball for that, so like I said, dead on arrival. Still, would be nice to have a mid-tier NE regional conference like we have in the Sourh and Great Lakes regions.
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Nole: add Navy and that's pretty good
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(06-28-2020 10:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 10:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 09:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  ...remember, they chose independence.

No, they chose the Big East, who doesn’t sponsor football. It’s not the same kind of decision as BYU or Notre Dame choosing that direction, but more like UMass, who made a decision based on basketball than all of its sports.

And I hope UConn can succeed as an independent. It’s not a jab at their football or as a school. I just don’t think very highly of most school leaders. I don’t believe this school wants FBS football if it can’t be in the ACC or at any major table. Independence kicks the ball down the road a bit, but, I think they are probably talking quite often to Villanova about how to handle the sport when it really wants to promote basketball.

By having a football program and choosing to move to a non-football conference with no provision for their football, they chose FB independence.

They made a basketball-driven decision. It’s not exactly a choice when others won’t let you hang. BYU and Notre Dame they aren’t: independence is a circumstantial outcome of a basketball-minded choice.

Again, I hope it works out for UConn as an indy. I’m excited for the Big East, too. And I hope I’m wrong about UConn’s durability and tenure as a FBS independent; that if we come to 2024 or 2025 and things start shaping up differently, that if UConn is still indy, they drop down not long after. I think the argument/justification will definitely be there and built for them.
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(06-29-2020 12:16 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Nole: add Navy and that's pretty good

No thanks.
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(06-28-2020 10:54 PM)3BNole Wrote:  Honestly the best option for UCONN football at this point would be if they could cobble together some sort of NE version of the Sun Belt consisting of current independents, FCS call ups, and maybe a team or two from established conferences that are looking for a more regional conference.

Playing along with this pipe dream, a conference would be pretty decent with:
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Buffalo
Delaware
Marshall
James Madison
Old Dominion
Liberty
UNC Charlotte

All of that said. Ain’t gonna happen. Plus I don’t think a football-only FBS conference could even happen per NCAA regulation and there ain’t no way that UCONN is giving up BE basketball for that, so like I said, dead on arrival. Still, would be nice to have a mid-tier NE regional conference like we have in the Sourh and Great Lakes regions.

The NE teams, if you can put Marshall, Charlotte and ODU in that category would rather have Florida exposure for recruiting.

A better way would be to pull 10 schools from CUSA, MAC, SBC and have UConn and UMass as FB-Only additions.

CUSA: Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, FAU, FIU
SBC: App St, Georgia St, Georgia So
MAC: Buffalo, Ohio
IND: UConn, UMass

North: UConn, UMass, Buffalo, Ohio, Marshall, ODU
South: App St, Charlotte, Georgia St, Georgia So, FAU, FIU

App St needs to be in there for FB strength. Ohio can be a travel partner for Marshall and they bring good basketball for this level. Need the Georgia and Florida schools for recruiting.

10 in basketball which is a better split than 14 in CUSA, 12 SBC and 12 MAC.

Could put the conference headquarters/tournaments in Charlotte which is a reasonable distance from most of those schools.
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(06-29-2020 08:33 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 10:54 PM)3BNole Wrote:  Honestly the best option for UCONN football at this point would be if they could cobble together some sort of NE version of the Sun Belt consisting of current independents, FCS call ups, and maybe a team or two from established conferences that are looking for a more regional conference.

Playing along with this pipe dream, a conference would be pretty decent with:
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Buffalo
Delaware
Marshall
James Madison
Old Dominion
Liberty
UNC Charlotte

All of that said. Ain’t gonna happen. Plus I don’t think a football-only FBS conference could even happen per NCAA regulation and there ain’t no way that UCONN is giving up BE basketball for that, so like I said, dead on arrival. Still, would be nice to have a mid-tier NE regional conference like we have in the Sourh and Great Lakes regions.

The NE teams, if you can put Marshall, Charlotte and ODU in that category would rather have Florida exposure for recruiting.

A better way would be to pull 10 schools from CUSA, MAC, SBC and have UConn and UMass as FB-Only additions.

CUSA: Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, FAU, FIU
SBC: App St, Georgia St, Georgia So
MAC: Buffalo, Ohio
IND: UConn, UMass

North: UConn, UMass, Buffalo, Ohio, Marshall, ODU
South: App St, Charlotte, Georgia St, Georgia So, FAU, FIU

App St needs to be in there for FB strength. Ohio can be a travel partner for Marshall and they bring good basketball for this level. Need the Georgia and Florida schools for recruiting.

10 in basketball which is a better split than 14 in CUSA, 12 SBC and 12 MAC.

Could put the conference headquarters/tournaments in Charlotte which is a reasonable distance from most of those schools.

I wouldn't put a conference tournament in Charlotte on a permanent basis unless I'm the ACC or unless you want it to end early. Even if you play in Bojangles when the ACC is in the Spectrum Center, you're second fiddle to the ACC assuming you are playing around the same time.
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(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  It may also be noted that this is not the Sports Illustrated of old.


Sports Illustrated should have followed the newspapers' lead and started putting up a lot of their stories online behind paywall a long time ago. I know it's annoying for us internet posters when companies do that, but those that have done that have survived. Those that have not, well, look where SI is heading.
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(06-28-2020 08:24 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:42 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The school had 24 sports? Why does anyone really need that many?

Four have revenue potential 20 dead weight sports is too much.
Still forty million deficit is crazy it can't be all footballs fault.
They have two great historic basketball programs and two nice arena choices. Their football stadium is a good size for an independent and their fairly close to good recruiting grounds. The Big East revenue is basically the same as AAC.

So how do you make football relevant ?
Play BYU, U Mass and NMSU annually .
Try to start a basketball tournament every year with those three and Notre Dame if possible. It would be great if ND would play them in football but that's not happening. Even with the other three its a good tournament. Fight to get the independents eligible for the Access Bowl spot. BYU is a former national champ and if ranked higher deserve the spot over a G5 champ. Do that and play a couple local P5 and obviously start winning .

(06-28-2020 10:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 10:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 09:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  ...remember, they chose independence.

No, they chose the Big East, who doesn’t sponsor football. It’s not the same kind of decision as BYU or Notre Dame choosing that direction, but more like UMass, who made a decision based on basketball than all of its sports.

And I hope UConn can succeed as an independent. It’s not a jab at their football or as a school. I just don’t think very highly of most school leaders. I don’t believe this school wants FBS football if it can’t be in the ACC or at any major table. Independence kicks the ball down the road a bit, but, I think they are probably talking quite often to Villanova about how to handle the sport when it really wants to promote basketball.

By having a football program and choosing to move to a non-football conference with no provision for their football, they chose FB independence.


Good for them. Good luck to UConn.
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(06-29-2020 08:39 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 08:33 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 10:54 PM)3BNole Wrote:  Honestly the best option for UCONN football at this point would be if they could cobble together some sort of NE version of the Sun Belt consisting of current independents, FCS call ups, and maybe a team or two from established conferences that are looking for a more regional conference.

Playing along with this pipe dream, a conference would be pretty decent with:
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Buffalo
Delaware
Marshall
James Madison
Old Dominion
Liberty
UNC Charlotte

All of that said. Ain’t gonna happen. Plus I don’t think a football-only FBS conference could even happen per NCAA regulation and there ain’t no way that UCONN is giving up BE basketball for that, so like I said, dead on arrival. Still, would be nice to have a mid-tier NE regional conference like we have in the Sourh and Great Lakes regions.

The NE teams, if you can put Marshall, Charlotte and ODU in that category would rather have Florida exposure for recruiting.

A better way would be to pull 10 schools from CUSA, MAC, SBC and have UConn and UMass as FB-Only additions.

CUSA: Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, FAU, FIU
SBC: App St, Georgia St, Georgia So
MAC: Buffalo, Ohio
IND: UConn, UMass

North: UConn, UMass, Buffalo, Ohio, Marshall, ODU
South: App St, Charlotte, Georgia St, Georgia So, FAU, FIU

App St needs to be in there for FB strength. Ohio can be a travel partner for Marshall and they bring good basketball for this level. Need the Georgia and Florida schools for recruiting.

10 in basketball which is a better split than 14 in CUSA, 12 SBC and 12 MAC.

Could put the conference headquarters/tournaments in Charlotte which is a reasonable distance from most of those schools.

I wouldn't put a conference tournament in Charlotte on a permanent basis unless I'm the ACC or unless you want it to end early. Even if you play in Bojangles when the ACC is in the Spectrum Center, you're second fiddle to the ACC assuming you are playing around the same time.

Thought is end it early and leverage the popularity of ACC tournament.
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(06-28-2020 10:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 09:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  ...remember, they chose independence.

No, they chose the Big East, who doesn’t sponsor football. It’s not the same kind of decision as BYU or Notre Dame choosing that direction, but more like UMass, who made a decision based on basketball than all of its sports.

And I hope UConn can succeed as an independent. It’s not a jab at their football or as a school. I just don’t think very highly of most school leaders. I don’t believe this school wants FBS football if it can’t be in the ACC or at any major table. Independence kicks the ball down the road a bit, but, I think they are probably talking quite often to Villanova about how to handle the sport when it really wants to promote basketball.

It's not quite like UMass when you consider that the Big East Fox deal pays more than most G5 all sports media rights deals. Also, while it is certainly a basketball driven decision, it's an elite college basketball driven decision to join a league with multiple championship contenders year in and year out. I just think people really need to keep in mind that even with this move, UConn will still be making more in TV money than the vast majority of G5 programs.
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(06-28-2020 09:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  remove Texas/Oklahoma and the others will panic IMHO...

So the actual Big12 will never add UC, but the BTINO (Big12 In Name Only) might.

That's what I reckon as well ... we saw when the old Big East dropped from the ranks of the elect what kind of flailing around a conference has to do to hold onto whatever vestige of its old standing it is able to hold onto.
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