IDK, but this could be a big deal...

ACC Council of Presidents Announces Constitution and By-Law Changes

Quote:The Atlantic Coast Conference Council of Presidents announced today that it has unanimously adopted a series of changes to the ACC Constitution and By-Laws that will go into effect on July 1, thus enabling the leadership to more effectively engage in best practices across all levels of its governance and administration. In particular, the 15 league presidents and chancellors will now serve as the ACC’s Board of Directors and continue to have ultimate authority over all conference affairs.

Syracuse University Chancellor Kent Syverud will serve as the Chair of the Board, while Duke University President Vincent Price will serve as Vice-Chair, and ACC Commissioner John Swofford will also be the Conference’s Chief Executive Officer. The Chair and Vice-Chair of the Board will each serve an initial term of one year, and their respective successors will serve two-year terms.

“The 15 member institutions of the ACC shared a common vision that we needed a more nimble and modern governance system to meet the challenges currently facing collegiate athletics,” said Chancellor Syverud. “We are committed to further delivering fulfilling experiences for our student-athletes while also carrying out our broader academic, campus and community missions. I am delighted that we could coalesce so quickly around these priorities, which should provide us an effective platform for the successful stewardship of the Conference in the years ahead.”

“I applaud our Presidents and Chancellors for taking this timely step to further modernize the league’s governance structure, which allows the Presidents to be updated and involved on a real-time basis,” said Swofford. “This new structure best positions our conference to address the ever-changing landscape in college athletics, and I’m confident it will serve us well in the immediate and long-term future.”

In addition to the ACC Board of Directors, the newly constituted Executive Committee will include Chancellor Syverud and President Price, who will be joined by President James Clements (Clemson University), Chancellor Randy Woodson (North Carolina State University), President Neeli Bendapudi (University of Louisville) and President James Ryan (University of Virginia). The remaining members are represented on other key committees such as Finance, Audit and Autonomy and will rotate onto the Executive Committee as terms expire.

The Chair of the Faculty Athletic Representatives for the 2020-21 academic year will be Lissa Broome (University of North Carolina). Blake James (University of Miami) will be the Chair of the Athletics Directors, and Vanessa Fuchs (Florida State University) will serve as the Chair of the Senior Woman Administrators.

I'm going to try my best to find out what changed, but if any of you find out first, please post something here!

The most immediate implication is that the academic side can now unilaterally tell the league what to do without having to minion-ize their respective athletic directors to do their bidding.

Pros:
- Should allow the league to do things quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently
- The Presidents are now formally involved ... which they should have been all along but I think it's fair to say most school Presidents in the ACC until recently preferred for their athletic department to stay out of the news for the wrong reasons and raise money and then stay out of their hair. Only recently at some schools have Presidents decided that success in revenue sports actually really does matter.
- Should make any "creative" scheduling and staging of games due to COVID easier to accomplish


Cons:
- Should allow the league to do things you may not like quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently ... and ergo in less of a spotlight.
- There is a conspicuous absence of football first from any of the announced positions of leadership that really matter. The executive committee is 3-1-2 basketball first, football first, hybrid/swing (UofL/NCST). If this isn't an issue it would be helpful for Clemson's President to say as such.
- Could introduce tone-deaf voices to the normal athletic processes like scheduling ... I can see the Presidents of say Cuse and Duke enthusiastic to schedule each other in football when the athletic directors looking at gate returns would come to entirely different conclusions.

Four things are happening:

1. Prepping to retire Swofford.
2. Ending the Old Cotillion Club system where subcommittes make up of people below the level of the Presidents shaped decisions before the came to a vote.
3. The Executive Committee will handle replacing Swofford
4. Faculty is being brought down a peg.

(06-22-2020 04:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The most immediate implication is that the academic side can now unilaterally tell the league what to do without having to minion-ize their respective athletic directors to do their bidding.

Pros:
- Should allow the league to do things quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently
- The Presidents are now formally involved ... which they should have been all along but I think it's fair to say most school Presidents in the ACC until recently preferred for their athletic department to stay out of the news for the wrong reasons and raise money and then stay out of their hair. Only recently at some schools have Presidents decided that success in revenue sports actually really does matter.
- Should make any "creative" scheduling and staging of games due to COVID easier to accomplish


Cons:
- Should allow the league to do things you may not like quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently ... and ergo in less of a spotlight.
- There is a conspicuous absence of football first from any of the announced positions of leadership that really matter. The executive committee is 3-1-2 basketball first, football first, hybrid/swing (UofL/NCST). If this isn't an issue it would be helpful for Clemson's President to say as such.
- Could introduce tone-deaf voices to the normal athletic processes like scheduling ... I can see the Presidents of say Cuse and Duke enthusiastic to schedule each other in football when the athletic directors looking at gate returns would come to entirely different conclusions.

You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Cavman, Cuse, and Duke are all pretty definitively basketball first in my book. Sure, Cuse cares about football still whereas Duke barely does. But Cuse has higher attendance for basketball games than football games. They're still basketball first in my book.

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 04:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The most immediate implication is that the academic side can now unilaterally tell the league what to do without having to minion-ize their respective athletic directors to do their bidding.

Pros:
- Should allow the league to do things quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently
- The Presidents are now formally involved ... which they should have been all along but I think it's fair to say most school Presidents in the ACC until recently preferred for their athletic department to stay out of the news for the wrong reasons and raise money and then stay out of their hair. Only recently at some schools have Presidents decided that success in revenue sports actually really does matter.
- Should make any "creative" scheduling and staging of games due to COVID easier to accomplish


Cons:
- Should allow the league to do things you may not like quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently ... and ergo in less of a spotlight.
- There is a conspicuous absence of football first from any of the announced positions of leadership that really matter. The executive committee is 3-1-2 basketball first, football first, hybrid/swing (UofL/NCST). If this isn't an issue it would be helpful for Clemson's President to say as such.
- Could introduce tone-deaf voices to the normal athletic processes like scheduling ... I can see the Presidents of say Cuse and Duke enthusiastic to schedule each other in football when the athletic directors looking at gate returns would come to entirely different conclusions.

You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Louisville contract with The Yum Center lasts 30 years. I think we’ll be OK.

(06-22-2020 06:59 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 04:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The most immediate implication is that the academic side can now unilaterally tell the league what to do without having to minion-ize their respective athletic directors to do their bidding.

Pros:
- Should allow the league to do things quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently
- The Presidents are now formally involved ... which they should have been all along but I think it's fair to say most school Presidents in the ACC until recently preferred for their athletic department to stay out of the news for the wrong reasons and raise money and then stay out of their hair. Only recently at some schools have Presidents decided that success in revenue sports actually really does matter.
- Should make any "creative" scheduling and staging of games due to COVID easier to accomplish


Cons:
- Should allow the league to do things you may not like quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently ... and ergo in less of a spotlight.
- There is a conspicuous absence of football first from any of the announced positions of leadership that really matter. The executive committee is 3-1-2 basketball first, football first, hybrid/swing (UofL/NCST). If this isn't an issue it would be helpful for Clemson's President to say as such.
- Could introduce tone-deaf voices to the normal athletic processes like scheduling ... I can see the Presidents of say Cuse and Duke enthusiastic to schedule each other in football when the athletic directors looking at gate returns would come to entirely different conclusions.

You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Louisville contract with The Yum Center lasts 30 years. I think we’ll be OK.

What some folks dont know is that even long before the YUM was built, UL still had the most profitable basketball program in all of college.

(06-22-2020 06:59 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 04:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The most immediate implication is that the academic side can now unilaterally tell the league what to do without having to minion-ize their respective athletic directors to do their bidding.

Pros:
- Should allow the league to do things quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently
- The Presidents are now formally involved ... which they should have been all along but I think it's fair to say most school Presidents in the ACC until recently preferred for their athletic department to stay out of the news for the wrong reasons and raise money and then stay out of their hair. Only recently at some schools have Presidents decided that success in revenue sports actually really does matter.
- Should make any "creative" scheduling and staging of games due to COVID easier to accomplish


Cons:
- Should allow the league to do things you may not like quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently ... and ergo in less of a spotlight.
- There is a conspicuous absence of football first from any of the announced positions of leadership that really matter. The executive committee is 3-1-2 basketball first, football first, hybrid/swing (UofL/NCST). If this isn't an issue it would be helpful for Clemson's President to say as such.
- Could introduce tone-deaf voices to the normal athletic processes like scheduling ... I can see the Presidents of say Cuse and Duke enthusiastic to schedule each other in football when the athletic directors looking at gate returns would come to entirely different conclusions.

You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Louisville contract with The Yum Center lasts 30 years. I think we’ll be OK.

Yeah, if no one goes to jail over it - https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/editori...51759.html

(06-22-2020 06:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Cavman, Cuse, and Duke are all pretty definitively basketball first in my book. Sure, Cuse cares about football still whereas Duke barely does. But Cuse has higher attendance for basketball games than football games. They're still basketball first in my book.

You are going to believe what you want no matter what the tax records show.

UVA made nothing last year off Basketball, they made 7.5 M off Football
UNC made 16 M off Basketball and 16 M off Football after reducing Kenan by 13K seats and presenting a suck team for three year.
NC State made 6.5 M off Basketball and 23 M off Football
Duke made 13.1 M off Basketball and 12.8 M off Football
Syracuse made 19.2 M off Basketball and 15.8 M off Football
Louisville made 19 M off Basketball and 3 M off Football
Clemson made 7 M off Football and 1 Million off Basketball (they spent $55 million on Football)
GT lost nearly a half a million dollars on basketball and made only 12.5 M on football.

Only at Syracuse where the can seat 30K for basketball in the dead of winter with no local competition and only in Louisville where the deal with the YUM is such that Louisville gets a taste of every dollar in the Arena despite a capped contribution to the debt service - only in these two places does basketball create more profit for the school.

It's ludicrous to assert that the Executive Board is basketball oriented.

(06-22-2020 08:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 06:59 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 04:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The most immediate implication is that the academic side can now unilaterally tell the league what to do without having to minion-ize their respective athletic directors to do their bidding.

Pros:
- Should allow the league to do things quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently
- The Presidents are now formally involved ... which they should have been all along but I think it's fair to say most school Presidents in the ACC until recently preferred for their athletic department to stay out of the news for the wrong reasons and raise money and then stay out of their hair. Only recently at some schools have Presidents decided that success in revenue sports actually really does matter.
- Should make any "creative" scheduling and staging of games due to COVID easier to accomplish


Cons:
- Should allow the league to do things you may not like quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently ... and ergo in less of a spotlight.
- There is a conspicuous absence of football first from any of the announced positions of leadership that really matter. The executive committee is 3-1-2 basketball first, football first, hybrid/swing (UofL/NCST). If this isn't an issue it would be helpful for Clemson's President to say as such.
- Could introduce tone-deaf voices to the normal athletic processes like scheduling ... I can see the Presidents of say Cuse and Duke enthusiastic to schedule each other in football when the athletic directors looking at gate returns would come to entirely different conclusions.

You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Louisville contract with The Yum Center lasts 30 years. I think we’ll be OK.

What some folks dont know is that even long before the YUM was built, UL still had the most profitable basketball program in all of college.

Greg that’s a great point.
Some just use The Yum agreement as an excuse to explain the shortcomings of their own programs.
Those complaining don’t understand the advantages we have in having such a large city without professional sports.

(06-22-2020 08:40 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 06:59 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 04:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The most immediate implication is that the academic side can now unilaterally tell the league what to do without having to minion-ize their respective athletic directors to do their bidding.

Pros:
- Should allow the league to do things quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently
- The Presidents are now formally involved ... which they should have been all along but I think it's fair to say most school Presidents in the ACC until recently preferred for their athletic department to stay out of the news for the wrong reasons and raise money and then stay out of their hair. Only recently at some schools have Presidents decided that success in revenue sports actually really does matter.
- Should make any "creative" scheduling and staging of games due to COVID easier to accomplish


Cons:
- Should allow the league to do things you may not like quicker with fewer meetings more efficiently ... and ergo in less of a spotlight.
- There is a conspicuous absence of football first from any of the announced positions of leadership that really matter. The executive committee is 3-1-2 basketball first, football first, hybrid/swing (UofL/NCST). If this isn't an issue it would be helpful for Clemson's President to say as such.
- Could introduce tone-deaf voices to the normal athletic processes like scheduling ... I can see the Presidents of say Cuse and Duke enthusiastic to schedule each other in football when the athletic directors looking at gate returns would come to entirely different conclusions.

You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Louisville contract with The Yum Center lasts 30 years. I think we’ll be OK.

Yeah, if no one goes to jail over it - https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/editori...51759.html

Good luck with that....

(06-22-2020 06:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Cavman, Cuse, and Duke are all pretty definitively basketball first in my book. Sure, Cuse cares about football still whereas Duke barely does. But Cuse has higher attendance for basketball games than football games. They're still basketball first in my book.

Huh? Cuse average 42,000+ last year in football

BTW, Statefan the Syracuse area offers AHL hockey in town. The team sells out most of the time...granted only 6000 fans or so but they sometimes compete directly against basketball. So there is some extra competition for the sports dollar.

Uh oh

esayem not following your picture? What do you mean?

(06-23-2020 09:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  esayem not following your picture? What do you mean?

I believe he's saying the devil is in the details.

Vincent Price as the devil. Vincent Price is also the prez at Duke...

(06-23-2020 11:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  Vincent Price as the devil. Vincent Price is also the prez at Duke...

(06-23-2020 11:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  Vincent Price as the devil. Vincent Price is also the prez at Duke...

Ahh okay...an inside the Triangle joke

Well done

(06-23-2020 08:21 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 06:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Cavman, Cuse, and Duke are all pretty definitively basketball first in my book. Sure, Cuse cares about football still whereas Duke barely does. But Cuse has higher attendance for basketball games than football games. They're still basketball first in my book.

Huh? Cuse average 42,000+ last year in football

BTW, Statefan the Syracuse area offers AHL hockey in town. The team sells out most of the time...granted only 6000 fans or so but they sometimes compete directly against basketball. So there is some extra competition for the sports dollar.

I'm going by games I watched, which is plenty. Cuse counts 44,000 as the attendance for Cuse-BC this year. If you can find those 44k here, let me know where: https://youtu.be/qbs3zcvaSXk?t=2493

How is Cuse reporting their attendance?

(06-23-2020 08:21 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 06:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:13 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You can be football first and have a decent basketball program. You are getting it wrong with Woodson and Louisville's pres. They know damn well where the money is. Louisville's cash bonanza in the YUM center is an oddity and eventually the politics of KY will stop that. It's more like 3-1-1 football, both, basketball

Cavman, Cuse, and Duke are all pretty definitively basketball first in my book. Sure, Cuse cares about football still whereas Duke barely does. But Cuse has higher attendance for basketball games than football games. They're still basketball first in my book.

Huh? Cuse average 42,000+ last year in football

BTW, Statefan the Syracuse area offers AHL hockey in town. The team sells out most of the time...granted only 6000 fans or so but they sometimes compete directly against basketball. So there is some extra competition for the sports dollar.

Lack of competition for entertainment dollars in your metro is indeed a great advantage, something Syracuse, VT, Clemson, and Louisville all share.