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(06-16-2020 08:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

So, this greasy mama's boy picks us to finish 5th and USF to finish 4th in the league? Get the fug outta here with that crap! What has USF done in the past two decades? [crickets] Not a whole hell of a lot. What has UC basketball done over the same time frame? Not even close. I know it's just an article from someone's opinion but that is about the biggest damn joke of the year.

As the rosters look now, it's not a bad choice...remember KW and KV are not currently rostered as they are going through the draft process and DeJulius has not received a waiver to play this season, so he has to rank our team under the impression that they won't be playing in Red and Black this season. I think with all three playing, he will likely bump us up to near the top, as Rothstein has spoken very highly of our program and current coach in the past....but as it stands, I think we're right where we should be with a roster of MAW, Harvey, Ivanauskas, Diarra, the Madsens, Eason, Saunders, Davenport, Lakhin, and the walk-ons, and hell 5th may actually be generous.

(06-16-2020 09:08 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  As the rosters look now, it's not a bad choice...remember KW and KV are not currently rostered as they are going through the draft process and DeJulius has not received a waiver to play this season, so he has to rank our team under the impression that they won't be playing in Red and Black this season. I think with all three playing, he will likely bump us up to near the top, as Rothstein has spoken very highly of our program and current coach in the past....but as it stands, I think we're right where we should be with a roster of MAW, Harvey, Ivanauskas, Diarra, the Madsens, Eason, Saunders, Davenport, Lakhin, and the walk-ons, and hell 5th may actually be generous.

Show me the money. As I posted, USF HAS NEVER finished above 7th place. Wasn't last year supposed to be Gregory and Co.'s move up to the top of the league? They haven't and they ain't. If we lived within reasonable driving distance I'd bet you a case of your favorite adult beverage that USF will not finish above UC this year or any year for that matter.

(06-16-2020 09:12 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 09:08 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  As the rosters look now, it's not a bad choice...remember KW and KV are not currently rostered as they are going through the draft process and DeJulius has not received a waiver to play this season, so he has to rank our team under the impression that they won't be playing in Red and Black this season. I think with all three playing, he will likely bump us up to near the top, as Rothstein has spoken very highly of our program and current coach in the past....but as it stands, I think we're right where we should be with a roster of MAW, Harvey, Ivanauskas, Diarra, the Madsens, Eason, Saunders, Davenport, Lakhin, and the walk-ons, and hell 5th may actually be generous.

Show me the money. As I posted, USF HAS NEVER finished above 7th place. Wasn't last year supposed to be Gregory and Co.'s move up to the top of the league? They haven't and they ain't. If we lived within reasonable driving distance I'd bet you a case of your favorite adult beverage that USF will not finish above UC this year or any year for that matter.

Well...they did lose their best player (Yetna) to a season ending injury immediately before the season and gave us one hell of a scare in Tampa last year. I was more so just remarking on our place of 5th, but USF has a pretty good roster too. Given how the rosters look RIGHT NOW, I think they're a better team, that is in no way saying they will be better if/when KW, KV, and DeJulius find their ways onto the court this season though.

Call me a stubborn ol' goat or Mr. Overly Optimistic but there's a lot of history, pride and performance consistency on the side of our basketball program. I understand some uncertainty with our roster but this seems to come up most years and yet, somehow, someway, we've managed to NEVER finish below 3rd place in the AAC. I'll say right now we will NOT finish below 3rd place in the league in 2020. And, USF will NOT finish above us. Gregory hasn't gotten it done since leaving Dayton. At Georgia Tech and USF he's not sniffed AP rankings, no NCAA, no NIT, notta. The conference win numbers speak true until proven otherwise.

Vogt and Williams have choices. The NBA is not one of them now. The can stay, play and improve and add education. They can play overseas if those leagues play the coming year. They can perhaps play in the G league. Or they can get a real job.

My money is on coming back.

(06-16-2020 10:53 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Vogt and Williams have choices. The NBA is not one of them now. The can stay, play and improve and add education. They can play overseas if those leagues play the coming year. They can perhaps play in the G league. Or they can get a real job.

My money is on coming back.

I expect Williams to be back, if he can lead the team and improve in some aspects he has the chance to be a draft pick next year.

Vogt will probably be back, but in my mind he is less likely to. Vogt retained a firm that works almost exclusively with international players. There is no way he is going to play in the NBA and his game doesn't have a lot to add to it. He could make some minor improvements (better defense, more moves around the hoop), but he's not going to add anything (like a 3-point shot) that would increase his appeal to the NBA. His options are overseas this year or overseas next year, I could see him going this year, especially with the unknowns that Covid creates. Can only play basketball for so many years, can always come back and get a degree.

(06-17-2020 06:25 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 10:53 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Vogt and Williams have choices. The NBA is not one of them now. The can stay, play and improve and add education. They can play overseas if those leagues play the coming year. They can perhaps play in the G league. Or they can get a real job.

My money is on coming back.

I expect Williams to be back, if he can lead the team and improve in some aspects he has the chance to be a draft pick next year.

Vogt will probably be back, but in my mind he is less likely to. Vogt retained a firm that works almost exclusively with international players. There is no way he is going to play in the NBA and his game doesn't have a lot to add to it. He could make some minor improvements (better defense, more moves around the hoop), but he's not going to add anything (like a 3-point shot) that would increase his appeal to the NBA. His options are overseas this year or overseas next year, I could see him going this year, especially with the unknowns that Covid creates. Can only play basketball for so many years, can always come back and get a degree.

You feeling okay bruh? You missed like half of the skyblade equation. You dumped on Vogt, sure. But where's the Diarra hype? You're slippin hep.

(06-17-2020 06:55 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 06:25 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 10:53 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Vogt and Williams have choices. The NBA is not one of them now. The can stay, play and improve and add education. They can play overseas if those leagues play the coming year. They can perhaps play in the G league. Or they can get a real job.

My money is on coming back.

I expect Williams to be back, if he can lead the team and improve in some aspects he has the chance to be a draft pick next year.

Vogt will probably be back, but in my mind he is less likely to. Vogt retained a firm that works almost exclusively with international players. There is no way he is going to play in the NBA and his game doesn't have a lot to add to it. He could make some minor improvements (better defense, more moves around the hoop), but he's not going to add anything (like a 3-point shot) that would increase his appeal to the NBA. His options are overseas this year or overseas next year, I could see him going this year, especially with the unknowns that Covid creates. Can only play basketball for so many years, can always come back and get a degree.

You feeling okay bruh? You missed like half of the skyblade equation. You dumped on Vogt, sure. But where's the Diarra hype? You're slippin hep.

(06-17-2020 06:55 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 06:25 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 10:53 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Vogt and Williams have choices. The NBA is not one of them now. The can stay, play and improve and add education. They can play overseas if those leagues play the coming year. They can perhaps play in the G league. Or they can get a real job.

My money is on coming back.

I expect Williams to be back, if he can lead the team and improve in some aspects he has the chance to be a draft pick next year.

Vogt will probably be back, but in my mind he is less likely to. Vogt retained a firm that works almost exclusively with international players. There is no way he is going to play in the NBA and his game doesn't have a lot to add to it. He could make some minor improvements (better defense, more moves around the hoop), but he's not going to add anything (like a 3-point shot) that would increase his appeal to the NBA. His options are overseas this year or overseas next year, I could see him going this year, especially with the unknowns that Covid creates. Can only play basketball for so many years, can always come back and get a degree.

You feeling okay bruh? You missed like half of the skyblade equation. You dumped on Vogt, sure. But where's the Diarra hype? You're slippin hep.

I think you are also missing a Brook's comparison

(06-18-2020 11:08 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 06:55 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 06:25 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 10:53 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Vogt and Williams have choices. The NBA is not one of them now. The can stay, play and improve and add education. They can play overseas if those leagues play the coming year. They can perhaps play in the G league. Or they can get a real job.

My money is on coming back.

I expect Williams to be back, if he can lead the team and improve in some aspects he has the chance to be a draft pick next year.

Vogt will probably be back, but in my mind he is less likely to. Vogt retained a firm that works almost exclusively with international players. There is no way he is going to play in the NBA and his game doesn't have a lot to add to it. He could make some minor improvements (better defense, more moves around the hoop), but he's not going to add anything (like a 3-point shot) that would increase his appeal to the NBA. His options are overseas this year or overseas next year, I could see him going this year, especially with the unknowns that Covid creates. Can only play basketball for so many years, can always come back and get a degree.

You feeling okay bruh? You missed like half of the skyblade equation. You dumped on Vogt, sure. But where's the Diarra hype? You're slippin hep.

I think you are also missing a Brook's comparison

Good point (although is it really fair to compare a First Team AA talent like Brooks to anyone Brannen recruited?).

(06-18-2020 01:33 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 11:08 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 06:55 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 06:25 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 10:53 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Vogt and Williams have choices. The NBA is not one of them now. The can stay, play and improve and add education. They can play overseas if those leagues play the coming year. They can perhaps play in the G league. Or they can get a real job.

My money is on coming back.

I expect Williams to be back, if he can lead the team and improve in some aspects he has the chance to be a draft pick next year.

Vogt will probably be back, but in my mind he is less likely to. Vogt retained a firm that works almost exclusively with international players. There is no way he is going to play in the NBA and his game doesn't have a lot to add to it. He could make some minor improvements (better defense, more moves around the hoop), but he's not going to add anything (like a 3-point shot) that would increase his appeal to the NBA. His options are overseas this year or overseas next year, I could see him going this year, especially with the unknowns that Covid creates. Can only play basketball for so many years, can always come back and get a degree.

You feeling okay bruh? You missed like half of the skyblade equation. You dumped on Vogt, sure. But where's the Diarra hype? You're slippin hep.

I think you are also missing a Brook's comparison

Good point (although is it really fair to compare a First Team AA talent like Brooks to anyone Brannen recruited?).

Haha, Brooks is probably going to have a monster year, and then we'll never hear the end of it.

(06-18-2020 02:21 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 01:33 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 11:08 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 06:55 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 06:25 PM)skyblade Wrote:  I expect Williams to be back, if he can lead the team and improve in some aspects he has the chance to be a draft pick next year.

Vogt will probably be back, but in my mind he is less likely to. Vogt retained a firm that works almost exclusively with international players. There is no way he is going to play in the NBA and his game doesn't have a lot to add to it. He could make some minor improvements (better defense, more moves around the hoop), but he's not going to add anything (like a 3-point shot) that would increase his appeal to the NBA. His options are overseas this year or overseas next year, I could see him going this year, especially with the unknowns that Covid creates. Can only play basketball for so many years, can always come back and get a degree.

You feeling okay bruh? You missed like half of the skyblade equation. You dumped on Vogt, sure. But where's the Diarra hype? You're slippin hep.

I think you are also missing a Brook's comparison

Good point (although is it really fair to compare a First Team AA talent like Brooks to anyone Brannen recruited?).

Haha, Brooks is probably going to have a monster year, and then we'll never hear the end of it.

if Brooks doesn't improve on his offense, he might not get off the bench much at Miami next season. Just sayin'

Hope Brooks has a great senior year.

(06-21-2020 04:25 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Hope Brooks has a great senior year.

I do as well. He seemed to be right on the cusp of really figuring things out his last year here.

I don't wish him any ill will and I hope he's happy and content with his decision. He chose to leave our program [certainly not the first to do so] so I'm focused on the guys who are here and who want to be a part of the team this year.

(06-21-2020 06:24 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I don't wish him any ill will and I hope he's happy and content with his decision. He chose to leave our program [certainly not the first to do so] so I'm focused on the guys who are here and who want to be a part of the team this year.

He is dead to me. Move on.

(06-21-2020 06:24 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I don't wish him any ill will and I hope he's happy and content with his decision. He chose to leave our program [certainly not the first to do so] so I'm focused on the guys who are here and who want to be a part of the team this year.

Once a Bearcat, always a Bearcat. He made a decision that he obviously felt was best for him and his future, and I can't fault him for that. As far as I know, he represented the university well while he was here, and I enjoyed rooting for him during that time, and I plan on continue rooting for him as I do with all our former players. I honestly think we should have a forum devoted to the former Bearcats.

(06-21-2020 05:04 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 04:25 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Hope Brooks has a great senior year.

I do as well. He seemed to be right on the cusp of really figuring things out his last year here.

by being on the cusp, are you trying to say that he was figuring out how to make a layup, without getting blocked by the rim?

The situations are rare where guys do not hurt themselves(voluntarily or not) sitting out an entire year of real competition in any sport. My prediction is when taking this into consideration, and moving up in talent league wise he'll be very much like he was here, up and down. It also hurts when you transfer for basically one year and play with a lot of new guys. He was not good at setting up to get the ball early in possessions which is critical for a big kid. Whether or not he changes is anyone's guess, but with this covid off season, workouts are not likely to be as strong as a normal year. I just hope we do not see a lot of guys go down with injuries given restrictions in their preseasons and conditioning. We'll see.

(06-22-2020 11:10 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 05:04 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 04:25 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Hope Brooks has a great senior year.

I do as well. He seemed to be right on the cusp of really figuring things out his last year here.

by being on the cusp, are you trying to say that he was figuring out how to make a layup, without getting blocked by the rim?

He was really starting to develop some solid offensive post moves to go along with his strong rim protection and good post-D. Brooks was very versatile for being such a big guy--recall that he shut down Conor Frankamp on the perimeter to win us the AAC championship on the road at Wichita St.

His big problem was staying on the court. The Iowa tournament game sorta condensed his entire career into 30 minutes. He started out very well, and was controlling the interior. We were up by 10 for most of the first half. Once the foul trouble hit, however, the team lost control of the inside to Luka Garza and it opened up Iowa's offense.

That's life. I hope he does well at Miami. Lord knows I'd love to spend two years on South Beach...