(06-18-2020 11:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  vcu is the only realisitc add that im lobbying for

im not lobbying for them, but if we added dayton, saint louis i wouldnt complain...

theres no other team that id even consider thats realistic right now....at all

no football add is remotely close to being even consider..gun to head and we had to pick a football team..id go for a relatively new team with an extremely high ceiling that would be boosted playing in the aac, with atleast respectable basketball (think umass- flagship of a huge state, charlotte, georgia state(atlanta) type team--with stipulations like "we'll invite umass on the condition they build a stadium")...

if no one met the stipulations, id add rice for their elite academics/SWC history and call it a day...(again this is gun to the head, had to pick someone)

if app state can string together 3 or 4 more 10 wins seasons over the next 4-5 years, and start building a boise like resume, id start looking at them...not before..their basketball is horrendous

there won't be any bball additions, until the fball situation is figured out - that may be a few years...... right now, fball is the priority, and whatever happens there could / probably will affect the bball.

FWIW, adding UAB would probably nail down that prized Birmingham bowl berth every year (yes, that's sarcasm)

(06-18-2020 11:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  vcu is the only realisitc add that im lobbying for

im not lobbying for them, but if we added dayton, saint louis i wouldnt complain...

theres no other team that id even consider thats realistic right now....at all

no football add is remotely close to being even consider..gun to head and we had to pick a football team..id go for a relatively new team with an extremely high ceiling that would be boosted playing in the aac, with atleast respectable basketball (think umass- flagship of a huge state, charlotte, georgia state(atlanta) type team--with stipulations like "we'll invite umass on the condition they build a stadium")...

if no one met the stipulations, id add rice for their elite academics/SWC history and call it a day...(again this is gun to the head, had to pick someone)

if app state can string together 3 or 4 more 10 wins seasons over the next 4-5 years, and start building a boise like resume, id start looking at them...not before..their basketball is horrendous

So let's see those stats for VCU or ODU or whoever it is your pushing for.
Let's just sit back and see who gets the nod if or when it happens. They're (UAB) not building a new 40k + football stadium and upgrading their basketball arena for nothing. And don't troll me with that "fan" sheet.

UAB is nowhere near close to being in the AAC target wish list.. However, I like to believe they'll get an interview... but that's the furthest any of it will go.

IF... the AAC does expand here hope we do NOT go over 12.

(06-19-2020 06:18 PM)steves Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 11:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  vcu is the only realisitc add that im lobbying for

im not lobbying for them, but if we added dayton, saint louis i wouldnt complain...

theres no other team that id even consider thats realistic right now....at all

no football add is remotely close to being even consider..gun to head and we had to pick a football team..id go for a relatively new team with an extremely high ceiling that would be boosted playing in the aac, with atleast respectable basketball (think umass- flagship of a huge state, charlotte, georgia state(atlanta) type team--with stipulations like "we'll invite umass on the condition they build a stadium")...

if no one met the stipulations, id add rice for their elite academics/SWC history and call it a day...(again this is gun to the head, had to pick someone)

if app state can string together 3 or 4 more 10 wins seasons over the next 4-5 years, and start building a boise like resume, id start looking at them...not before..their basketball is horrendous

So let's see those stats for VCU or ODU or whoever it is your pushing for.
Let's just sit back and see who gets the nod if or when it happens. They're (UAB) not building a new 40k + football stadium and upgrading their basketball arena for nothing. And don't troll me with that "fan" sheet.

odu?? definitely not pushing for odu...i literally listed the 3 teams i'd take, and you just made up a team that i didnt even list

UAB is never going to happen ...UNT built a arena recently, south alabama just built a new arena (opens next season), liberty has new football and basketball arenas, odu also just completely unveiled its new football arena last year....are they all joining the AAC??? or are they all doing it for nothing too?? (before you twist my words, none of them are touching the aac)

im not trolling you with this "fan" thing, you are just using very bad fan logic..its the only logical explanation..you ignoring all the very obvious flaws of uab..noting uabs renovations but ignoring other teams are making similar renovations.. trying to sell birhingham for its location .. your perspective is that of someone tied to uab in some manner

we WILL NOT add a team doing sub 20k attendance in football, sub 3k attendance in basketball..with zero history of major success or brand ..who attempted to shut down its program this decade

(06-19-2020 08:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 06:18 PM)steves Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 11:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  vcu is the only realisitc add that im lobbying for

im not lobbying for them, but if we added dayton, saint louis i wouldnt complain...

theres no other team that id even consider thats realistic right now....at all

no football add is remotely close to being even consider..gun to head and we had to pick a football team..id go for a relatively new team with an extremely high ceiling that would be boosted playing in the aac, with atleast respectable basketball (think umass- flagship of a huge state, charlotte, georgia state(atlanta) type team--with stipulations like "we'll invite umass on the condition they build a stadium")...

if no one met the stipulations, id add rice for their elite academics/SWC history and call it a day...(again this is gun to the head, had to pick someone)

if app state can string together 3 or 4 more 10 wins seasons over the next 4-5 years, and start building a boise like resume, id start looking at them...not before..their basketball is horrendous

So let's see those stats for VCU or ODU or whoever it is your pushing for.
Let's just sit back and see who gets the nod if or when it happens. They're (UAB) not building a new 40k + football stadium and upgrading their basketball arena for nothing. And don't troll me with that "fan" sheet.

odu?? definitely not pushing for odu...i literally listed the 3 teams i'd take, and you just made up a team that i didnt even list

UAB is never going to happen ...UNT built a arena recently, south alabama just built a new arena (opens next season), liberty has new football and basketball arenas, odu also just completely unveiled its new football arena last year....are they all joining the AAC??? or are they all doing it for nothing too?? (before you twist my words, none of them are touching the aac)

im not trolling you with this "fan" thing, you are just using very bad fan logic..its the only logical explanation..you ignoring all the very obvious flaws of uab..noting uabs renovations but ignoring other teams are making similar renovations.. trying to sell birhingham for its location .. your perspective is that of someone tied to uab in some manner

we WILL NOT add a team doing sub 20k attendance in football, sub 3k attendance in basketball..with zero history of major success or brand ..who attempted to shut down its program this decade

UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 08:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 06:18 PM)steves Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 11:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  vcu is the only realisitc add that im lobbying for

im not lobbying for them, but if we added dayton, saint louis i wouldnt complain...

theres no other team that id even consider thats realistic right now....at all

no football add is remotely close to being even consider..gun to head and we had to pick a football team..id go for a relatively new team with an extremely high ceiling that would be boosted playing in the aac, with atleast respectable basketball (think umass- flagship of a huge state, charlotte, georgia state(atlanta) type team--with stipulations like "we'll invite umass on the condition they build a stadium")...

if no one met the stipulations, id add rice for their elite academics/SWC history and call it a day...(again this is gun to the head, had to pick someone)

if app state can string together 3 or 4 more 10 wins seasons over the next 4-5 years, and start building a boise like resume, id start looking at them...not before..their basketball is horrendous

So let's see those stats for VCU or ODU or whoever it is your pushing for.
Let's just sit back and see who gets the nod if or when it happens. They're (UAB) not building a new 40k + football stadium and upgrading their basketball arena for nothing. And don't troll me with that "fan" sheet.

odu?? definitely not pushing for odu...i literally listed the 3 teams i'd take, and you just made up a team that i didnt even list

UAB is never going to happen ...UNT built a arena recently, south alabama just built a new arena (opens next season), liberty has new football and basketball arenas, odu also just completely unveiled its new football arena last year....are they all joining the AAC??? or are they all doing it for nothing too?? (before you twist my words, none of them are touching the aac)

im not trolling you with this "fan" thing, you are just using very bad fan logic..its the only logical explanation..you ignoring all the very obvious flaws of uab..noting uabs renovations but ignoring other teams are making similar renovations.. trying to sell birhingham for its location .. your perspective is that of someone tied to uab in some manner

we WILL NOT add a team doing sub 20k attendance in football, sub 3k attendance in basketball..with zero history of major success or brand ..who attempted to shut down its program this decade

UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

Though I'm not a huge proponent of adding UAB, this post is reasoned and worth noting.

Well put, UofMemphis.

(06-19-2020 09:30 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 08:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 06:18 PM)steves Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 11:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  vcu is the only realisitc add that im lobbying for

im not lobbying for them, but if we added dayton, saint louis i wouldnt complain...

theres no other team that id even consider thats realistic right now....at all

no football add is remotely close to being even consider..gun to head and we had to pick a football team..id go for a relatively new team with an extremely high ceiling that would be boosted playing in the aac, with atleast respectable basketball (think umass- flagship of a huge state, charlotte, georgia state(atlanta) type team--with stipulations like "we'll invite umass on the condition they build a stadium")...

if no one met the stipulations, id add rice for their elite academics/SWC history and call it a day...(again this is gun to the head, had to pick someone)

if app state can string together 3 or 4 more 10 wins seasons over the next 4-5 years, and start building a boise like resume, id start looking at them...not before..their basketball is horrendous

So let's see those stats for VCU or ODU or whoever it is your pushing for.
Let's just sit back and see who gets the nod if or when it happens. They're (UAB) not building a new 40k + football stadium and upgrading their basketball arena for nothing. And don't troll me with that "fan" sheet.

odu?? definitely not pushing for odu...i literally listed the 3 teams i'd take, and you just made up a team that i didnt even list

UAB is never going to happen ...UNT built a arena recently, south alabama just built a new arena (opens next season), liberty has new football and basketball arenas, odu also just completely unveiled its new football arena last year....are they all joining the AAC??? or are they all doing it for nothing too?? (before you twist my words, none of them are touching the aac)

im not trolling you with this "fan" thing, you are just using very bad fan logic..its the only logical explanation..you ignoring all the very obvious flaws of uab..noting uabs renovations but ignoring other teams are making similar renovations.. trying to sell birhingham for its location .. your perspective is that of someone tied to uab in some manner

we WILL NOT add a team doing sub 20k attendance in football, sub 3k attendance in basketball..with zero history of major success or brand ..who attempted to shut down its program this decade

UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

Though I'm not a huge proponent of adding UAB, this post is reasoned and worth noting.

Well put, UofMemphis.

TY. I'm also impressed with their practice facility. They knew they didn't have 20-25 million for an IPF like Memphis just opened so they built an 11 million dollar pavilion to cover their turf practice field. smart cost saving maneuver IMHO.


this isn't the same UAB we last saw back in 2012 under Garrick McGee...it's like Larry Porter's Memphis vs Mike Norvell's Memphis...VERY different beasts.

(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 08:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 06:18 PM)steves Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 11:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  vcu is the only realisitc add that im lobbying for

im not lobbying for them, but if we added dayton, saint louis i wouldnt complain...

theres no other team that id even consider thats realistic right now....at all

no football add is remotely close to being even consider..gun to head and we had to pick a football team..id go for a relatively new team with an extremely high ceiling that would be boosted playing in the aac, with atleast respectable basketball (think umass- flagship of a huge state, charlotte, georgia state(atlanta) type team--with stipulations like "we'll invite umass on the condition they build a stadium")...

if no one met the stipulations, id add rice for their elite academics/SWC history and call it a day...(again this is gun to the head, had to pick someone)

if app state can string together 3 or 4 more 10 wins seasons over the next 4-5 years, and start building a boise like resume, id start looking at them...not before..their basketball is horrendous

So let's see those stats for VCU or ODU or whoever it is your pushing for.
Let's just sit back and see who gets the nod if or when it happens. They're (UAB) not building a new 40k + football stadium and upgrading their basketball arena for nothing. And don't troll me with that "fan" sheet.

odu?? definitely not pushing for odu...i literally listed the 3 teams i'd take, and you just made up a team that i didnt even list

UAB is never going to happen ...UNT built a arena recently, south alabama just built a new arena (opens next season), liberty has new football and basketball arenas, odu also just completely unveiled its new football arena last year....are they all joining the AAC??? or are they all doing it for nothing too?? (before you twist my words, none of them are touching the aac)

im not trolling you with this "fan" thing, you are just using very bad fan logic..its the only logical explanation..you ignoring all the very obvious flaws of uab..noting uabs renovations but ignoring other teams are making similar renovations.. trying to sell birhingham for its location .. your perspective is that of someone tied to uab in some manner

we WILL NOT add a team doing sub 20k attendance in football, sub 3k attendance in basketball..with zero history of major success or brand ..who attempted to shut down its program this decade

UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

UNT's stadium isnt a erector stadium..and is extremely nice.. houston was their stadium opener and i went in person..it is one of the nicest stadium in c-usa/sunbelt/mac..also not sure when capacity meant quality??

Quote:UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

is this supposed to be impressive enough for a aac invite?? im confused?? this is the best 3 year run in school history....they have 1 bowl win IN HISTORY..the convo isnt that uab is a horrifc program, its that they arent remotely in consideration for a aac invite

...and i missed their 1st game, when looking at the attendance before

Alabama State* 39,165 (didnt notice when i said sub 20k)-skewing the stats
South Alabama* 27,932
Rice 23,526
Old Dominion 19,51
UTEP 19,875
Louisiana Tech 18,346

this is their attendance from last season, on the best 3 year run in school history

edit: forgot to address the basketball parts most of the basketball stuff you named are from the 80s..theyve been to 2 tournaments total in nearly 15 years ..you put up a very low bar to qualify for an aac invite..that numerous teams would qualify for

Pesik ... Your a good go to on anything Houston related. I'm betting you have a map of Texas on a wall somewhere. But you don't know sheet about the Southeast. Let's see, Greenville, Orlando, Tampa, New Orleans, Memphis that's about half the damn conference ... Locared in the Southeast. And East Texas likes to think they're part of the Southeast as well !!
Perhaps you need a new map !!

(06-20-2020 12:08 PM)steves Wrote:  Pesik ... Your a good go to on anything Houston related. I'm betting you have a map of Texas on a wall somewhere. But you don't know sheet about the Southeast. Let's see, Greenville, Orlando, Tampa, New Orleans, Memphis that's about half the damn conference ... Locared in the Southeast. And East Texas likes to think they're part of the Southeast as well !!
Perhaps you need a new map !!

what does that have to do with anything???
let me try and decipher- you are saying Birmingham is in the southeast so they fit in the aac footprint...(this is my best guess- correct me if im wrong)...

1) there are tons of teams in the south east, simply just being in the southeast doesnt mean admission into the aac..almost every other realistic candidate is in the aac footprint

2) my point wasnt questioning the location of Birmingham, but simply stating Birmingham isnt a desirable location, that isnt a selling point. everyone here literally complains about the location of the Birmingham bowl yearly...if it was about adding a southeast team based on desirable location...id rather take goergia state in atlanta ..atleast that would open goergia recruiting ground, while in a major city

no, B'Ham isn't a vacation destination but it is a major TV market which matters to our ESPN overlords. desirable location doesn't mean number of theme parks or tourist attractions when it comes to TV contracts...in fact, being a boring city means folks are all looking for something to watch to pass the time and in Alabama that means turn on a football game. If they average 24,500 for a slate of games like UTSA, UTEP, Rice, Charlotte, ODU, etc and replace them with Memphis, Cincy, Tulane, UCF, Houston, etc then their attendance will go up even more...esp when you factor in a new stadium.

I don't see how anyone can just ignore the amazing strides UAB has taken as an athletic program.

EDIT: this doesn't mean offer them an invite today...it means in 2-3 years (I know we're seeking a 1 year waiver extension due to COVID-19) UAB may then be ready for a AAC invite if they keep improving at this rate.[/edit]

UAB is not happening. If the AAC adds schools then go with Colorado State or Air Force in addition to Boise and BYU.

BYU isn’t interested in a conference that is not already a P5 designated conference. Boise has a sweet deal and they get to do whatever is best for them and not the conference. We nearly added SDSU. They would be interested as a Boise addition again I think, but without Boise they are not in the fold.

Outside of those schools I don’t see how you add anyone.

(06-20-2020 05:44 PM)UHCougar07 Wrote:  UAB is not happening. If the AAC adds schools then go with Colorado State or Air Force in addition to Boise and BYU.

BYU isn’t interested in a conference that is not already a P5 designated conference. Boise has a sweet deal and they get to do whatever is best for them and not the conference. We nearly added SDSU. They would be interested as a Boise addition again I think, but without Boise they are not in the fold.

Outside of those schools I don’t see how you add anyone.

Colorado State is going to need money to service that stadium debt - and this COVID situation may strain them to the point where they just might jump.

It's not likely, but it's the only move that really seems plausible right now.

I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

UAB has them beat in academics and basketball tradition/facilities.

I'd love BYU, Army, or Air Force but BYU/Army aren't interested and with the MWCs new TV deal I doubt AF wants to jump right now. (same for CSU)

I'd rather just stay at 11 past 3 years (we're seeking a 1 year waiver extension due to COVID-19) but if we have to make an addition while UAB keeps growing as a program over the next 2-3 years then they may solve our issues.

UMass is the only good choice.

(06-20-2020 08:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

UAB has them beat in academics and basketball tradition/facilities.

And academics / basketball tradition is really what the conference is going to select based off of... puh-lease. Don't make me laugh.

(06-20-2020 08:28 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 08:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

UAB has them beat in academics and basketball tradition/facilities.

And academics / basketball tradition is really what the conference is going to select based off of... puh-lease. Don't make me laugh.

bad choice of words. UAB football program is at least equal to if not greater than GSUs...basketball becomes the tipping point then.

(06-20-2020 08:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UMass is the only good choice.

What state are they in?

(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

I'm not here to politic for a spot in the AAC, but lets get the facts straight... Apogee isn't an erector set. UNT's stadium is a nice concrete & brick stadium, with a capacity of 30,850 and cost $78,000,000. North Texas has nice facilities. In fact, our recently opened IPF is larger (94,303 sf) and more expensive ($16 million) than the new Memphis IPF (78,000 sf & $11.2 million).



Just correcting misinformation. Carry on.