(06-20-2020 09:49 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Another question is how much is enough?

Say Rice starts admitting more blacks, and in a few years the proportion has climbed from 6.7% to 8.0%. Enough? What is satisfactory?

It is my opinion that giving in on any significant issue will lead to a slippery slope, whereby everything is on the table. To answer your question, nothing would be satisfactory. The smartest thing for Rice to do would be to create committees that will table issues until this blows over.

I wonder why the left wing is maintaining silence?

One of the other demands on the list is that incoming black students must formally be allowed to request a black roommate, and to be so paired if requested.

Is this already happening at other universities? (Is it even a thing at HBCUs?) If so, how does this work? Do they just pair separatists? What if there's an odd number? Can a black student open to -- perhaps even desirous of -- a diverse living arrangement be forced into a segregated one? What would be the justification for that? It would literally have to be the same justification as for being race-blind in roommate assignment in the first place -- exposing a (nonseparatist) person to diverse (separatist) perspectives is healthy and broadens the mind and serves the greater good -- but now with a rule-swallowing exception that exposing a separatist mind to a nonseparatist mind is to be avoided if at all possible.

I think it goes without saying that the architects of such a policy would want any other students insisting that their racial prejudices be accommodated when assigning roommates to have their admission rescinded on the spot.

Yet if this is the climate now, and if speech codes continue to metastasize, won't it eventually be just as rational for nonblack (or non-BIPOC, if I must use today's jargon) students to request same-race roommates, so as to minimize the potential for exhibiting privilege and/or committing so-called microaggressions (not to mention the potential for being expelled over it all), as it is for BIPOC students to request same-race roommates so as to maximize their safety from same?

Is there any shared responsibility for turning this train around?

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(06-19-2020 09:37 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Did anyone else see this?

This is the first time I've posted on the Quad, but this is so extreme that I felt it needed to be discussed.

https://twitter.com/mlkajoy/status/12739...02849?s=19

What, #ShutdownSTEM didn't get your attention?

Unfortunately a lot of well minded people with their heart in the right place are allowing themselves to be subsumed into a movement co-founded by a self-avowed "trained Marxist" that is launching Maoist challenges against the very foundations of Western Civilization.

(06-20-2020 12:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 09:37 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Did anyone else see this?

This is the first time I've posted on the Quad, but this is so extreme that I felt it needed to be discussed.

https://twitter.com/mlkajoy/status/12739...02849?s=19

What, #ShutdownSTEM didn't get your attention?

Unfortunately a lot of well minded people with their heart in the right place are allowing themselves to be subsumed into a movement co-founded by a self-avowed "trained Marxist" that is launching Maoist challenges against the very foundations of Western Civilization.

The issues of critical theory, post modernist philosophy, and the Frankfurt school teachings have never made 'top of topic' with the left from Rice. I am no really sure if the conservatives or libertarians here are really familiar either with the above.

But, since 2008 we have seen the Frankfurt school teachings and raw critical theory start wide view with OWS, and afterwards splintered into, a base branch to BLM, and now recombine into this thrust.

The stuff that embroiled Evergreen College should have been a real predictor of what is happening in our streets and in society right now. The loudest have been pilloried as 'racist' and 'divisive' (see Jordan Peterson), but they have been shown to be right on the money in their predictions of what is happening.

As one who actually noted what Obama taught in his 'con law' classes (i.e. a primer in critical race theory with a small amount of actual con law), the emergence of this, well the while troubling, isnt surprising.

I think our country, because of this cancer, is headed into some very serious times.

And the Mao-ist effects are truly what is engendered by these movements at their core.

And, actually in addition to #ShutdownSTEM there is the associated #ShutdownScience.

(06-20-2020 11:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I wonder why the left wing is maintaining silence?

I can never tell you if you're being serious or posing rhetorical questions (the Grambling one for instance).

In any case, I don't feel comfortable talking about this since I didn't attend Rice. There are many other colleges going through the same discussions.

The day that Rice allows incoming freshmen to request a certain race, religion or sexual orientation of roommate and permits that request is the day I stop donating to Rice forever. Saying you don’t want to live with someone because they look different than you, believe (or don’t believe) in a different God than you do, or because they like to screw a different gender than you do is unacceptable in this day and age.

Same goes for any area of campus that only allows entrance to someone that meets certain racial or religious requirements.

(06-20-2020 05:09 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 11:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I wonder why the left wing is maintaining silence?

I can never tell you if you're being serious or posing rhetorical questions (the Grambling one for instance).

In any case, I don't feel comfortable talking about this since I didn't attend Rice. There are many other colleges going through the same discussions.

Feel free to state your beliefs here, regardless of where you attended school. You are way more part of the Rice family than many alums. But even if you were some stray Horned Frog or Teasip who happened by, I would want your input.

It was not rhetorical. I was told in another venue, another discussion, that Black Student Unions were needed to provide black students a place where they could relax from the pressure of always being a minority. I figured that that could apply in reverse to white students at a HBCU.

We are doing exactly what black students complain of - judging people and actions differently based on race. There should be one standard.

Im confused.... here in Austin some doinkbag spray painted the Stevie Ray Vaughn statue. With FTP --- or "**** the police".

Uhhh.... Stevie's band was Double Trouble, he was never in The Police.

Perhaps they are maddy poo because he wore a bolero and played like Hendrix. Double cultural appropriation.

Tear that $%#& down. Tear that $%^# down to the ground.

(06-22-2020 10:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im confused.... here in Austin some doinkbag spray painted the Stevie Ray Vaughn statue. With FTP --- or "**** the police".

Uhhh.... Stevie's band was Double Trouble, he was never in The Police.

Perhaps they are maddy poo because he wore a bolero and played like Hendrix. Double cultural appropriation.

Tear that $%#& down. Tear that $%^# down to the ground.

Caught in the crossfire, indeed.

Even the WaPo has had enough

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...absurdity/

Edit: here are some other statues of diabolically evil people that have been vandalized:

Gandhi
Lincoln
Washington
Jefferson
Grant
Churchill
Cervantes
Voltaire
Matthias Baldwin (an abolitionist and founder/financier of a school in Philadelphia that sought to provide education for African American students. Unfortunately, I hadn’t heard of him until today, so I’m having a hard time sifting through all the good he clearly did to find the evil thing about him that is causing people to desecrate his statue)

(06-22-2020 10:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im confused.... here in Austin some doinkbag spray painted the Stevie Ray Vaughn statue. With FTP --- or "**** the police".

Uhhh.... Stevie's band was Double Trouble, he was never in The Police.

Perhaps they are maddy poo because he wore a bolero and played like Hendrix. Double cultural appropriation.

Tear that $%#& down. Tear that $%^# down to the ground.

Of course, the reality deniers will say it is all the fault of white supremacist militias trying to throw blame on the peaceful progressives.