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(06-05-2020 08:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report (UCR), blacks make up 12-16% of the US population & much higher than that in the large cities around the US. Blacks account for approx 50% of violent crimes in the US. This is factual information that is usually ignored in any discussions relative to police behavior. Does poverty have an influence? Maybe, but much less than the media would have you believe. Does racial bias have an effect? Statistics say no - in fact it says the opposite. But more important it wasn't always this way (blacks committing 50% of all violent crimes). So what has changed over the last 50-75 yrs? 50-75 yrs ago black men divorced their wives at a much lower rate than white men so men were in the home raising their children. Over the last 50 yrs, despite integration, schools are producing progressively worse student performance. So much so that school systems continually revise measurement metrics so as not to provide direct correlation to preceding performance measurements. School curriculum has continually moved towards a social education rather than concentrating on reading, writing & math that would better equipped students for life success. And politically over this same period, identity politics have become increasingly used to divide Americans, i.e., rather than discuss & distinguish criminals vs the law abiding, such distinctions are ignored in favor racial bias leaving the underlying crimes ignored. And for an anecdotal Memphis example of the tangible changes, I would submit the Orange Mound community. Prior to 1964, Orange Mount had more two parent homes than any community in Memphis. Crime rates in OM were much lower than surrounding neighborhoods. Orange Mount had more churches & a higher attendance rates than any other communities in the city. Orange Mound had an out-of-wedlock birth rate approx 1/100th of today. And Orange Mound had much higher student graduation rates than today. All of this success before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 & Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty. I say all of this to say, government is not the answer. The answer is for people to take back control of their marriages, their schools, their communities & make their government responsive to providing a law abiding & safe environment where families can raise their children safely, educate them effectively & elect effective leaders who get the job done rather than electing professional crooks who do little more than line their pockets & those of their crony friends while whipping up social unrest.

I have maintained the same turning point as to when most of today's problems began.
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(06-06-2020 10:14 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
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(06-05-2020 09:12 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Well that is why people who feel their plight is worse based on their race want to bring attention to it...So we can do better.

That is all that is going on here.

Do you really, really believe that?

Yes he does.

What he doesn't understand is that there is always , always an end game.

The end game will always involve money and / or control and / or influence.

You have several things going on here:

You have certain power brokers looking to maintain and expand their grass roots base.

You have your Socialists / Globalists looking to break down America as a republic / democracy.

You have your Anarchists who hate the police and are taking advantage of a situation to weaken police forces.

ANTIFA seens to fit into both the Socialst and the Anarchist camps.

Then you have the legitimate peaceful protesters who are genuine in their efforts but who are spurred on by the liberal media with unbalanced, slanted coverage. The media loves angry, upset rioting people for the clicks and eyeballs that = money.

When a white is killed by the police there is a fraction of the coverage and NONE of the national outrage. The media isn't interested in justice; they are interested in what drives their revenue.

The crime stats by race are there to be found if you go dig them out. The media will not tell you because it blows up the entire movement and that would be bad for business.

The Washington Post says that since 2015 more whites have been killed by police than blacks. Almost 2 to 1.
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(06-06-2020 05:02 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  The Washington Post says that since 2015 more whites have been killed by police than blacks. Almost 2 to 1.

fake news
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(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)holyterror Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:35 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:18 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Here's how I see it could have happened... Norvell sent a mass text to each individual player, and some of them replied to it. He had discussions back and forth with a few (possibly many) of them via text. He would be correct in saying he reached out to each individual player, and also that he had discussed it with them.

The team captain sounds like he's letting a little power go to his head and making a huge overblown deal about a simple miscommunication. I wouldn't want that kind of toxicity in charge of the team, but Norvell is stuck with it now. If he's lucky, the team captain (who is apparently REALLY in charge of the team) will let him keep his job.

yea, I do see that side too

you just have to be so careful with whatever you communicate

I'm going with a combination of "stirring crap up" and "sports void boredom" for $400, Alex.

this

There are a lot of actual problems people have. The captain of the team not getting a personal convo isn't one of them.

This guy is gonna be a multi millionaire tackling people. Cry me a river.

Put on your big boy pants little girl. Let me know when you have ACTUAL problems instead of being a whiny Biat#h
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(06-06-2020 05:04 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 05:02 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  The Washington Post says that since 2015 more whites have been killed by police than blacks. Almost 2 to 1.

fake news

You are right. It's probably worse than that.
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(06-04-2020 06:35 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:41 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Seeing how Coach Silverfield responded, I wondered how Coach Norvell would respond if he were still here. Boy he did not disappoint. No wonder the players weren't all too emotional when he left.

Few things from this:

A) Ryan Silverfield played politics to get the head coaching job. Basically forced Veatch to getting the job, and the players backed him. There was no "nationwide coaching search." Silverfield basically kissed Veatch's ass to get the job, and Veatch went the safe route because he knew he would've lost Silverfield he he were to hired someone else. It was also Veatch's first opportunity to hire a coach at Memphis. Doing that, while winning at conference title, I can't blame Laird.

B) Players were upset of the Hunter Hill situation. Felt like he got punished for graduating early.

C) Players knew Norvell was gone in between the Cincinnati games. Been told that "staying off social media" and a change of words cited that he was leaving. FSU stating there was a press conference during the end of the week, basically confirmed that.

Social Media screws everything up, especially for a G5 school. All media members want to be the first once to break a source. Norvell can't interview for a school just to see what they have without someone tweeting it out, then the players see it. It's also going to happen in 2-4 if Silverfield does a good job!

Mike Norvell was amazing, and I'll take him back over Silverfield anyday. However, I'm exciting to see what Ryan can do as the head coach. I am!

1) Silverfield was groomed the entire time MN was here to be his replacement. Reinforced by the various titles he held so his compensation could go up. If he had been a OC he would have made less money. At the end of 2018 Silverfield was offered the OL at Alabama by Saban, he turned it down. He was offered a position with the Titans from the HC, he turned it down. Silverfield is very close to Brad Martin. RS has been talking to all of the people he had to talk to so he was in contention. He did everything anyone else would have done but he never kissed anyone's butt to do it.
2) Hunter Hill who was barely used informed one too many players he was planning on transferring since he had graduated and most likely was going to SMU or similar school. Players (at least two) informed MN. With the players they had he was going to get even less time.
The rest is history.
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(06-07-2020 01:01 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 05:04 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 05:02 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  The Washington Post says that since 2015 more whites have been killed by police than blacks. Almost 2 to 1.

fake news

You are right. It's probably worse than that.

One one of the networks they stated it was 3 to 1 and on average 50 to 100 blacks are killed in the US - they did not give specific data.

To date as of now: 191 blacks have been killed in one city 5 months into the year by blacks
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This too shall pass.
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(06-06-2020 08:57 PM)mactigerd Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)holyterror Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:35 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:18 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Here's how I see it could have happened... Norvell sent a mass text to each individual player, and some of them replied to it. He had discussions back and forth with a few (possibly many) of them via text. He would be correct in saying he reached out to each individual player, and also that he had discussed it with them.

The team captain sounds like he's letting a little power go to his head and making a huge overblown deal about a simple miscommunication. I wouldn't want that kind of toxicity in charge of the team, but Norvell is stuck with it now. If he's lucky, the team captain (who is apparently REALLY in charge of the team) will let him keep his job.

yea, I do see that side too

you just have to be so careful with whatever you communicate

I'm going with a combination of "stirring crap up" and "sports void boredom" for $400, Alex.

this

There are a lot of actual problems people have. The captain of the team not getting a personal convo isn't one of them.

This guy is gonna be a multi millionaire tackling people. Cry me a river.

Put on your big boy pants little girl. Let me know when you have ACTUAL problems instead of being a whiny Biat#h

He was not complaining because he did not get a one on one conversation. It is because his young, white and very rich coach publicly stated he had one on one conversations with every player about the ongoing racial tensions facing our country right now, when the reality is he did not. If Norvell had never made that comment then this player never would have whispered a word. Norvell blatantly lied about the worst topic possible at the worst possible time and got called on it.

But Norvell sacked up, admitted he made a mistake, addressed the team and because of that it is not longer being talked about nationally.
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(06-07-2020 02:34 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 08:57 PM)mactigerd Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)holyterror Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:35 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:18 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Here's how I see it could have happened... Norvell sent a mass text to each individual player, and some of them replied to it. He had discussions back and forth with a few (possibly many) of them via text. He would be correct in saying he reached out to each individual player, and also that he had discussed it with them.

The team captain sounds like he's letting a little power go to his head and making a huge overblown deal about a simple miscommunication. I wouldn't want that kind of toxicity in charge of the team, but Norvell is stuck with it now. If he's lucky, the team captain (who is apparently REALLY in charge of the team) will let him keep his job.

yea, I do see that side too

you just have to be so careful with whatever you communicate

I'm going with a combination of "stirring crap up" and "sports void boredom" for $400, Alex.

this

There are a lot of actual problems people have. The captain of the team not getting a personal convo isn't one of them.

This guy is gonna be a multi millionaire tackling people. Cry me a river.

Put on your big boy pants little girl. Let me know when you have ACTUAL problems instead of being a whiny Biat#h

He was not complaining because he did not get a one on one conversation. It is because his young, white and very rich coach publicly stated he had one on one conversations with every player about the ongoing racial tensions facing our country right now, when the reality is he did not. If Norvell had never made that comment then this player never would have whispered a word. Norvell blatantly lied about the worst topic possible at the worst possible time and got called on it.

But Norvell sacked up, admitted he made a mistake, addressed the team and because of that it is not longer being talked about nationally.

This is the power of the media. It has been explained over and over, including by Norvell, what actually took place. Yet that one inaccurate headline is all anyone remembers.
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(06-07-2020 03:34 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 02:34 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 08:57 PM)mactigerd Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)holyterror Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:35 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  yea, I do see that side too

you just have to be so careful with whatever you communicate

I'm going with a combination of "stirring crap up" and "sports void boredom" for $400, Alex.

this

There are a lot of actual problems people have. The captain of the team not getting a personal convo isn't one of them.

This guy is gonna be a multi millionaire tackling people. Cry me a river.

Put on your big boy pants little girl. Let me know when you have ACTUAL problems instead of being a whiny Biat#h

He was not complaining because he did not get a one on one conversation. It is because his young, white and very rich coach publicly stated he had one on one conversations with every player about the ongoing racial tensions facing our country right now, when the reality is he did not. If Norvell had never made that comment then this player never would have whispered a word. Norvell blatantly lied about the worst topic possible at the worst possible time and got called on it.

But Norvell sacked up, admitted he made a mistake, addressed the team and because of that it is not longer being talked about nationally.

This is the power of the media. It has been explained over and over, including by Norvell, what actually took place. Yet that one inaccurate headline is all anyone remembers.

I am not sure what you are referring to. This was Norvell's quote, his own words...

We had a lot of open communication with our team, our players and our coaches. I went back and forth individually with every player this weekend.

Those are his words and in a later quote he said that he did not speak with each player individually...
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He made a mistake. Apologized and moved on. I wish him well.
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(06-07-2020 09:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 03:34 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 02:34 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 08:57 PM)mactigerd Wrote:  
(06-04-2020 10:46 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm going with a combination of "stirring crap up" and "sports void boredom" for $400, Alex.

this

There are a lot of actual problems people have. The captain of the team not getting a personal convo isn't one of them.

This guy is gonna be a multi millionaire tackling people. Cry me a river.

Put on your big boy pants little girl. Let me know when you have ACTUAL problems instead of being a whiny Biat#h

He was not complaining because he did not get a one on one conversation. It is because his young, white and very rich coach publicly stated he had one on one conversations with every player about the ongoing racial tensions facing our country right now, when the reality is he did not. If Norvell had never made that comment then this player never would have whispered a word. Norvell blatantly lied about the worst topic possible at the worst possible time and got called on it.

But Norvell sacked up, admitted he made a mistake, addressed the team and because of that it is not longer being talked about nationally.

This is the power of the media. It has been explained over and over, including by Norvell, what actually took place. Yet that one inaccurate headline is all anyone remembers.

I am not sure what you are referring to. This was Norvell's quote, his own words...

We had a lot of open communication with our team, our players and our coaches. I went back and forth individually with every player this weekend.

Those are his words and in a later quote he said that he did not speak with each player individually...

Because he never claimed he had a face to face conversation with all 125 players, individually. At least, I didn’t take it that way. Back and forth could mean texts, emails or two cans and a string.
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(06-07-2020 11:15 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 09:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 03:34 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 02:34 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 08:57 PM)mactigerd Wrote:  this

There are a lot of actual problems people have. The captain of the team not getting a personal convo isn't one of them.

This guy is gonna be a multi millionaire tackling people. Cry me a river.

Put on your big boy pants little girl. Let me know when you have ACTUAL problems instead of being a whiny Biat#h

He was not complaining because he did not get a one on one conversation. It is because his young, white and very rich coach publicly stated he had one on one conversations with every player about the ongoing racial tensions facing our country right now, when the reality is he did not. If Norvell had never made that comment then this player never would have whispered a word. Norvell blatantly lied about the worst topic possible at the worst possible time and got called on it.

But Norvell sacked up, admitted he made a mistake, addressed the team and because of that it is not longer being talked about nationally.

This is the power of the media. It has been explained over and over, including by Norvell, what actually took place. Yet that one inaccurate headline is all anyone remembers.

I am not sure what you are referring to. This was Norvell's quote, his own words...

We had a lot of open communication with our team, our players and our coaches. I went back and forth individually with every player this weekend.

Those are his words and in a later quote he said that he did not speak with each player individually...

Because he never claimed he had a face to face conversation with all 125 players, individually. At least, I didn’t take it that way. Back and forth could mean texts, emails or two cans and a string.

I never said face to face and never said or implied Norvell said face to face. Mike simply stated that he went back and forth individually with every player. He said it to make himself look good and as if he was taking the racial tensions head on with his team. Again, the truth was that he sent a generic text to every player and did not go "back and forth individually with each player", which is far different than what he implied. His players stood up and called it out as they should have. He apologized as he should have. Now every is moving on from it as they should...
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(06-08-2020 07:49 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I never said face to face and never said or implied Norvell said face to face. Mike simply stated that he went back and forth individually with every player. He said it to make himself look good and as if he was taking the racial tensions head on with his team. Again, the truth was that he sent a generic text to every player and did not go "back and forth individually with each player", which is far different than what he implied. His players stood up and called it out as they should have. He apologized as he should have. Now every is moving on from it as they should...

Why exactly "should" they have called him out about such a trivial thing? Of all the huge issues going on right now what in hell was so important about that?

We're becoming a country of spoiled crybabies.
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(06-08-2020 07:54 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 07:49 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I never said face to face and never said or implied Norvell said face to face. Mike simply stated that he went back and forth individually with every player. He said it to make himself look good and as if he was taking the racial tensions head on with his team. Again, the truth was that he sent a generic text to every player and did not go "back and forth individually with each player", which is far different than what he implied. His players stood up and called it out as they should have. He apologized as he should have. Now every is moving on from it as they should...

Why exactly "should" they have called him out about such a trivial thing? Of all the huge issues going on right now what in hell was so important about that?

We're becoming a country of spoiled crybabies.

Players don't trust Norvell...Yet.

And likely some players are still salty about losing their previous coach...The one that recruited them.

So yeah...this is more about the relationship between Norvell and the players than it is about the actual act.

If Norvell had not left Memphis and these same exact circumstances occurred I seriously doubt any players would have made a peep because trust and relationships have been built over time.
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(06-08-2020 07:54 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 07:49 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I never said face to face and never said or implied Norvell said face to face. Mike simply stated that he went back and forth individually with every player. He said it to make himself look good and as if he was taking the racial tensions head on with his team. Again, the truth was that he sent a generic text to every player and did not go "back and forth individually with each player", which is far different than what he implied. His players stood up and called it out as they should have. He apologized as he should have. Now every is moving on from it as they should...

Why exactly "should" they have called him out about such a trivial thing? Of all the huge issues going on right now what in hell was so important about that?

We're becoming a country of spoiled crybabies.

Again, you have a super rich, young and white coach who is making his fortune off the performance of predominately black teenage (or early twenties) athletes. The country is in the middle of riots and protests over generations of black marginalization and systematic racism. You then have that rich, white coach make a statement to the media about addressing this on an individual player by player basis. That statement is made simply to self-promote and make himself look good. To look as if he is taking this extremely serious and addressing this with each player, as if he is extremely sympathetic to the movement. When that simply was not the truth. In reality he sent a generic mass text message to his players. It is better than nothing and had he simply kept his mouth shut it would have been an absolute non-story. But he lied to make himself look better, that is it. It is like so many crimes where the coverup is worse than the crime. Same here. He really did nothing wrong in regards to addressing his players with a generic text message, it is simply the fact that he lied about the extent to which he addressed his players and one simply stood up and said that was not true... But Norvell stood up admitted it was a mistake to frame it like he did and now the media has moved on because he just owned it.

Like I said earlier, it is akin to me gaining a client by saying I meet with every client monthly when the reality is that I blast out a monthly newsletter via email. It makes me sound great but the reality is it disingenuous and deceitful at best for me to make that claim. Words do matter, especially right now and especially regarding the topic Norvell was addressing.
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(06-06-2020 10:14 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
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(06-05-2020 09:12 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Well that is why people who feel their plight is worse based on their race want to bring attention to it...So we can do better.

That is all that is going on here.

Do you really, really believe that?

Yes he does.

What he doesn't understand is that there is always , always an end game.

The end game will always involve money and / or control and / or influence.

You have several things going on here:

You have certain power brokers looking to maintain and expand their grass roots base.

You have your Socialists / Globalists looking to break down America as a republic / democracy.

You have your Anarchists who hate the police and are taking advantage of a situation to weaken police forces.

ANTIFA seens to fit into both the Socialst and the Anarchist camps.

Then you have the legitimate peaceful protesters who are genuine in their efforts but who are spurred on by the liberal media with unbalanced, slanted coverage. The media loves angry, upset rioting people for the clicks and eyeballs that = money.

When a white is killed by the police there is a fraction of the coverage and NONE of the national outrage. The media isn't interested in justice; they are interested in what drives their revenue.

The crime stats by race are there to be found if you go dig them out. The media will not tell you because it blows up the entire movement and that would be bad for business.

For sure blacks get pulled over and harassed exponentially more than whites. When you see a video where a black guy is being aggressive with police, being rude, cussing them out and resisting arrest; that is likely the product of being pulled over or stopped 20-30 times for no reason.

At some point, it's normal to get fed up. So what YOU don't understand about the end game, is that the killings are a tiny part of it.
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RE: Norvell in hot water?
(06-08-2020 07:54 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 07:49 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I never said face to face and never said or implied Norvell said face to face. Mike simply stated that he went back and forth individually with every player. He said it to make himself look good and as if he was taking the racial tensions head on with his team. Again, the truth was that he sent a generic text to every player and did not go "back and forth individually with each player", which is far different than what he implied. His players stood up and called it out as they should have. He apologized as he should have. Now every is moving on from it as they should...

Why exactly "should" they have called him out about such a trivial thing? Of all the huge issues going on right now what in hell was so important about that?

We're becoming a country of spoiled crybabies.

Yep. Or how about at least talking about it first before going public on social media? That was a bull**** move - plain and simple,

If a white kid pulked that he'd be running stairs until he puked at a minimum.

Younger folks don't understand how to get along in the world but they are endlessly offended by it.

Boo fuckin hoo.
06-08-2020 01:40 PM
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