better than expected

Good news for everybody except those deep in the halls of the DNC and the Biden campaign.

(06-04-2020 11:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 11:15 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 10:17 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 09:28 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 06:13 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Boil this post down and it’s a tribalistic “Liberals bad, conservatives good.” It’s pretty impressive how all the blame is shifted to liberals, as opposed to evenly spread, as it should be.

Yet it is your tribe that calls us 'deplorables". it is your tribe that riots and attacks us.

But the most intriguing this is the 50/50 split of blame you propose. where is the evidence for that?

I think in the case of the rioting and civil unrest across the country, we can rightfully put the lion's share of blame on the left.

On the matter of the Covid shutdown, I don't know where to put the blame. But I do know one tribe wants to re-open more than the other, and the other tribe wants to to extend the closings at any economic cost.

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This also ignores that liberals had been protesting the exact same issue of police brutality, but had been told that peacefully kneeling during the national anthem wasn’t appropriate. The grievance isn’t new, and the grievance has legitimacy about the structural issues that result in biased outcomes in policing.

Police brutality is rare these days. I remember when it wasn't. Take my word for it, things have changed. But in any case, it is not limited to white cops/black citizens. Why do you think it is? Because of the vague charge of "systemic" racism? How do you prove that? But in any case, why hasn't it been addressed and rooted out by the legions of black/Democratic police officials and city and county officials over the last 40-60 years? How can we blame that on the conservatives, when it is the liberals in power where the "brutality" and 'systemic racism" occurs?

OO, what are your circumstances that allow you to assess the state of police brutality these days? Specifically when it comes to the current experience of inner-city black males (which seems to be the main issue when these stories keep hitting the news cycle)?

So the tactic in this post is to question OOs bona fides on opining on 'the current experience of inner city black males'.

Considering your unabashed and unqualified assertion of deep systemic issues on that very same topic, the natural qestion arises of what the hell are yours to do the same exact thing?

See my answer above. I don't position myself as an authority on the experience of black males in the inner-city.

OO basically said... "Trust me on this... police brutality is not that bad these days" and I wondered how he knows because I would imagine most of us (me included) on this forum have very little insight into that particular topic.

Yet you continuously crow about the 'systemic issues' or 'systemic problems' about it. Amazing that. Have you contemplated your own position on that in light of what you just said? It appears not.

As to the supposed 'systemic problem' that you note rather continuously, I still note that you never bother to respond to any substantive request for you to delineate. Not have you bothered to respond to the objective numbers that #s put forth. I would love to hear your deep insights into the 200-ish *total* death (en toto, mind you, so unjustified are by definition a smaller subest, mid you) is such an enormous 'systemic problem' or 'systemic issue' that you unceasingly use about this. Let alone respond to *any* request for clarification on what the breathless 'systemic problem' or 'systemic issue' may be.

I guess the things that we *can* note about your responses, which are rather hyperbolic there if you hadnt noticed, are, in order: 1) you cant or wont bother to respond to those numbers; 2) you cant or wont respond to basic issues about what you mean therein, and 3) you really have zero basis to make those statements in an objective manner. Is there anything else we need to add to that?

I now see why you ran like a greased skunk from the original noting of your language, and further from answering any questions about it.

I still see the language of Simon and Garfunkel in terms of our leftists bothering to note or respond to #s numbers. That is, "The Sound of Silence'.

Or for that matter ever bothering to delineate what this 'systemic issue' issue is that that they jump up and down and around flapping their arms and parroting actually is.

Instead, they question an opinion by an opposing viewpoint with, essentially, wtf do you know about it, all the while broadcasting a very broad opinion of their own.

When their rather interesting hypocrisy is noted, I see the response not being, 'wow, look at that side by side', but some *more* grandiose **** about 'how much *more* OO's words were.' Good fing grief.

And funny, they all seem to 'forget' the requests to say specifically and unequivocally what *their* rather grandiose comments on 'systemic issue' really mean, refuse to delineate those comments, and to a massive amount simply ignore truly objective numbers placed in front them.

Amazing.

"Greased skunk" is a new one on me. My Dad would have said like a "shot cat".

Believe me, things have changed, and mostly for the better. Don't know why the lefties have to insist otherwise. One of the "indifferent" cops in Minneapolis is black. I wonder where he learned his systemic racism. {sarcasm) That would have been rare 60 years ago. I don't know the ages of all the libs here - I think the range is from about 30 to about 50. If so, there is a whole generation plus some between me and them. I remember things they never experienced. Things that had disappeared before they were born. More importantly, I remember things that most blacks today never experienced - the "back of the bus" sign, for example. The separate but equal schools. The "colored only/white only" restrooms. So maybe the contrast is more in my eyes. But I would definitely rather be a black man today than 1955. Or 1965. Or 1975. and so on.

But I think (see, that makes this an opinion, and I am not trying to set myself up as an authority or expert) that if we didn't have the Al Sharptons of this country always stirring things up, we would all be getting along better. I am beginning to think it should be a felony to use the word 'systemic".

(06-05-2020 04:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 11:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 11:15 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 10:17 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 09:28 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Yet it is your tribe that calls us 'deplorables". it is your tribe that riots and attacks us.

But the most intriguing this is the 50/50 split of blame you propose. where is the evidence for that?

I think in the case of the rioting and civil unrest across the country, we can rightfully put the lion's share of blame on the left.

On the matter of the Covid shutdown, I don't know where to put the blame. But I do know one tribe wants to re-open more than the other, and the other tribe wants to to extend the closings at any economic cost.




Police brutality is rare these days. I remember when it wasn't. Take my word for it, things have changed. But in any case, it is not limited to white cops/black citizens. Why do you think it is? Because of the vague charge of "systemic" racism? How do you prove that? But in any case, why hasn't it been addressed and rooted out by the legions of black/Democratic police officials and city and county officials over the last 40-60 years? How can we blame that on the conservatives, when it is the liberals in power where the "brutality" and 'systemic racism" occurs?

OO, what are your circumstances that allow you to assess the state of police brutality these days? Specifically when it comes to the current experience of inner-city black males (which seems to be the main issue when these stories keep hitting the news cycle)?

So the tactic in this post is to question OOs bona fides on opining on 'the current experience of inner city black males'.

Considering your unabashed and unqualified assertion of deep systemic issues on that very same topic, the natural qestion arises of what the hell are yours to do the same exact thing?

See my answer above. I don't position myself as an authority on the experience of black males in the inner-city.

OO basically said... "Trust me on this... police brutality is not that bad these days" and I wondered how he knows because I would imagine most of us (me included) on this forum have very little insight into that particular topic.

Yet you continuously crow about the 'systemic issues' or 'systemic problems' about it. Amazing that. Have you contemplated your own position on that in light of what you just said? It appears not.

I'll refer you to my previous post from a couple nights ago:

It's simply not that enjoyable to interact with people who behave like you do. The others can disagree with me and imply that I'm a dumbs*** without all the tiresome histrionics and the name-calling. Again... I blame myself for engaging you despite my better judgement sometimes.

I'm not seeing much in your two recent posts to change my POV. I can't say that I'm especially eager to spend my family time on the weekend going around and around with you. I typically don't feel good about these exchanges. Sometimes it seems that you don't read my posts anyway. You respond to what you want to.

Quote:As to the supposed 'systemic problem' that you note rather continuously, I still note that you never bother to respond to any substantive request for you to delineate. Not have you bothered to respond to the objective numbers that #s put forth. I would love to hear your deep insights into the 200-ish *total* death (en toto, mind you, so unjustified are by definition a smaller subest, mid you) is such an enormous 'systemic problem' or 'systemic issue' that you unceasingly use about this. Let alone respond to *any* request for clarification on what the breathless 'systemic problem' or 'systemic issue' may be.

I guess the things that we *can* note about your responses, which are rather hyperbolic there if you hadnt noticed, are, in order: 1) you cant or wont bother to respond to those numbers; 2) you cant or wont respond to basic issues about what you mean therein, and 3) you really have zero basis to make those statements in an objective manner. Is there anything else we need to add to that?

Again... I don't think you read my posts. I made a good faith effort to respond to the question about these numbers that Owl#'s put forth. This is what I said at 5:30 pm yesterday.

I haven't had time to dive into the studies that are out there. Did #'s post a link to the study that he was using? There seems to be a bunch of information out there and I'm sure either side could find bias in many of those studies. Different approaches abound... do you use rate of shootings per population or per police encounter. Do we think that non-shooting brutality is somehow reliably reported in order to have good data?

Here's one that came up recently on a quick Google search:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020...force.html

I'm happy to comment on it when I have real time to look at it. Hopefully #'s already posted the link to his study.

Unless I missed it, Owl#'s never responded. Nor has anybody posted a link to the study that he referenced. As far as I could tell the ball was out of my court when it came to this specific topic. Not to mention work was a bear today.

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I now see why you ran like a greased skunk from the original noting of your language, and further from answering any questions about it.

See above. Have a nice weekend.

I am dreadfully sorry in noting that "you continuously crow about the 'systemic issues' or 'systemic problems' about it."
You do. How else should I denote that that wont affront your poor sensibilities?

And the sheer 'horror" of the temerity to ask you: [h]ave you contemplated your own position on that in light of what you just said?

And the insipidness of the additional comment: "It appears not."

The sheer horror and evil of denoting the above. How dare someone note and ask those issues of you. You are so brave. (there really should be a head slap emoji around here....)

Sorry about that job thing. Modeling is such an onerous thing to do correctly.

I can't imagine anyone has the time for this, but if you're interested there's a report by the US Commission on Human Rights that was published in 2018 :

Police Use of Force

This, noting the lack of good data, from the letter of transmission struck me as relevant to the discussion of systemic issues:

Accurate and comprehensive data regarding police uses of force is generally not available to police departments or the American public. No comprehensive national database exists that captures police uses of force. The best available evidence reflects high rates of uses of force nationally, with increased likelihood of police use of force against people of color, people with disabilities, LGBT people, people with mental health concerns, people with low incomes, and those at the intersection of these communities. Lack of sufficient training—and funding for training—leaves officers and the public at risk. Repeated and highly publicized incidents of police use of force against persons of color and people with disabilities, combined with a lack of accurate data, lack of transparency about policies and practices in place governing use of force, and lack of accountability for noncompliance foster a perception that police use of force in communities of color and the disability community is unchecked, unlawful, and unsafe.

"foster a perception" sort of jumps out at you.

The lack of good data on law enforcement outcomes and policy (across the board, not just use of force) is a systemic issue, maybe the systemic issue. Incredibly frustrating. Known issue for a long, long time.

Just heard a person talking on TV about black deaths. He said there were about 10 deaths of black people last year at the hands of cops that were unwarranted. Then he said there were about 5000 deaths last year of black people at the hands of other black people.

I do not vouch for either number, but I think the divide between perception and reality they indicate is real.

BTW, the speaker was black.

(06-05-2020 07:09 PM)ausowl Wrote:  I can't imagine anyone has the time for this, but if you're interested there's a report by the US Commission on Human Rights that was published in 2018 :
Police Use of Force
This, noting the lack of good data, from the letter of transmission struck me as relevant to the discussion of systemic issues:
Accurate and comprehensive data regarding police uses of force is generally not available to police departments or the American public. No comprehensive national database exists that captures police uses of force. The best available evidence reflects high rates of uses of force nationally, with increased likelihood of police use of force against people of color, people with disabilities, LGBT people, people with mental health concerns, people with low incomes, and those at the intersection of these communities. Lack of sufficient training—and funding for training—leaves officers and the public at risk. Repeated and highly publicized incidents of police use of force against persons of color and people with disabilities, combined with a lack of accurate data, lack of transparency about policies and practices in place governing use of force, and lack of accountability for noncompliance foster a perception that police use of force in communities of color and the disability community is unchecked, unlawful, and unsafe.
"foster a perception" sort of jumps out at you.
The lack of good data on law enforcement outcomes and policy (across the board, not just use of force) is a systemic issue, maybe the systemic issue. Incredibly frustrating. Known issue for a long, long time.

So in the absence of data, we will "foster a perception." Got it.

I still want to know exactly *what* some posters note as the broad, yet uninformative terms of "systemic issues". Maybe the objective bases for them to boot. That phrase sounds awesome, yet I still dont know what precisely it is, let alone *any* objective basis for it -- that is aside from that it is a really awesome sound bite.

The horrors of having to actually state what a sound bite is, and sheer evil of asking for an objective reason for the steadfast and constant repeating of it.

I will surmise that this post is also 'too belligerent' for some.

(06-05-2020 09:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I still want to know exactly *what* some posters note as the broad, yet uninformative terms of "systemic issues". Maybe the objective bases for them to boot. That phrase sounds awesome, yet I still dont know what precisely it is, let alone *any* objective basis for it -- that is aside from that it is a really awesome sound bite.

The horrors of having to actually state what a sound bite is, and sheer evil of asking for an objective reason for the steadfast and constant repeating of it.

I will surmise that this post is also 'too belligerent' for some.

It is too vague and broad, kind of like saying 'bad weather" in a discussion of climate change.

My question is how does this "systemic" racism infect every police department coast to coast, yet no other municipal departments are infected.

Just saw a protester interviewed on TV. she said the police want them to run so they can chase them and beat them. if this is the logic that rules the Democratic party, I shall have have to vote straight Republican.

(06-05-2020 09:18 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I still want to know exactly *what* some posters note as the broad, yet uninformative terms of "systemic issues". Maybe the objective bases for them to boot. That phrase sounds awesome, yet I still dont know what precisely it is, let alone *any* objective basis for it -- that is aside from that it is a really awesome sound bite.

The horrors of having to actually state what a sound bite is, and sheer evil of asking for an objective reason for the steadfast and constant repeating of it.

I will surmise that this post is also 'too belligerent' for some.

Just saw a protester interviewed on TV. she said the police want them to run so they can chase them and beat them. if this is the logic that rules the Democratic party, I shall have have to vote straight Republican.

Hey guys, I heard that we're now pointing out crazy randos in the news and ascribing their views as an accurate representation of their party.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/politic...317490.php

(06-05-2020 09:31 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:18 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I still want to know exactly *what* some posters note as the broad, yet uninformative terms of "systemic issues". Maybe the objective bases for them to boot. That phrase sounds awesome, yet I still dont know what precisely it is, let alone *any* objective basis for it -- that is aside from that it is a really awesome sound bite.

The horrors of having to actually state what a sound bite is, and sheer evil of asking for an objective reason for the steadfast and constant repeating of it.

I will surmise that this post is also 'too belligerent' for some.

Just saw a protester interviewed on TV. she said the police want them to run so they can chase them and beat them. if this is the logic that rules the Democratic party, I shall have have to vote straight Republican.

Hey guys, I heard that we're now pointing out crazy randos in the news and ascribing their views as an accurate representation of their party.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/politic...317490.php

You think she is a crazy rando? I think she is typical of tens of thousands of protesters, BLM members, and she is helping to move the party to legislation like defunding the police.

The one you listed stands alone.

(06-05-2020 09:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:31 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:18 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I still want to know exactly *what* some posters note as the broad, yet uninformative terms of "systemic issues". Maybe the objective bases for them to boot. That phrase sounds awesome, yet I still dont know what precisely it is, let alone *any* objective basis for it -- that is aside from that it is a really awesome sound bite.

The horrors of having to actually state what a sound bite is, and sheer evil of asking for an objective reason for the steadfast and constant repeating of it.

I will surmise that this post is also 'too belligerent' for some.

Just saw a protester interviewed on TV. she said the police want them to run so they can chase them and beat them. if this is the logic that rules the Democratic party, I shall have have to vote straight Republican.

Hey guys, I heard that we're now pointing out crazy randos in the news and ascribing their views as an accurate representation of their party.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/politic...317490.php

You think she is a crazy rando? I think she is typical of tens of thousands of protesters, BLM members, and she is helping to move the party to legislation like defunding the police.

The one you listed stands alone.

I think it is a systemic problem.

(06-05-2020 09:56 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:31 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:18 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I still want to know exactly *what* some posters note as the broad, yet uninformative terms of "systemic issues". Maybe the objective bases for them to boot. That phrase sounds awesome, yet I still dont know what precisely it is, let alone *any* objective basis for it -- that is aside from that it is a really awesome sound bite.

The horrors of having to actually state what a sound bite is, and sheer evil of asking for an objective reason for the steadfast and constant repeating of it.

I will surmise that this post is also 'too belligerent' for some.

Just saw a protester interviewed on TV. she said the police want them to run so they can chase them and beat them. if this is the logic that rules the Democratic party, I shall have have to vote straight Republican.

Hey guys, I heard that we're now pointing out crazy randos in the news and ascribing their views as an accurate representation of their party.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/politic...317490.php

You think she is a crazy rando? I think she is typical of tens of thousands of protesters, BLM members, and she is helping to move the party to legislation like defunding the police.

The one you listed stands alone.

I think it is a systemic problem.

I think it's just smoke.

(06-05-2020 10:06 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:56 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:31 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:18 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Just saw a protester interviewed on TV. she said the police want them to run so they can chase them and beat them. if this is the logic that rules the Democratic party, I shall have have to vote straight Republican.

Hey guys, I heard that we're now pointing out crazy randos in the news and ascribing their views as an accurate representation of their party.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/politic...317490.php

You think she is a crazy rando? I think she is typical of tens of thousands of protesters, BLM members, and she is helping to move the party to legislation like defunding the police.

The one you listed stands alone.

I think it is a systemic problem.

I think it's just smoke.

Smoke was enough to bring in Mueller.


Seriously, this is the whole reason we are having protests, riots, and talking about changes in policing - "they are out to get us. They are the enemy. it is systemic."

(06-05-2020 09:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:31 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:18 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I still want to know exactly *what* some posters note as the broad, yet uninformative terms of "systemic issues". Maybe the objective bases for them to boot. That phrase sounds awesome, yet I still dont know what precisely it is, let alone *any* objective basis for it -- that is aside from that it is a really awesome sound bite.

The horrors of having to actually state what a sound bite is, and sheer evil of asking for an objective reason for the steadfast and constant repeating of it.

I will surmise that this post is also 'too belligerent' for some.

Just saw a protester interviewed on TV. she said the police want them to run so they can chase them and beat them. if this is the logic that rules the Democratic party, I shall have have to vote straight Republican.

Hey guys, I heard that we're now pointing out crazy randos in the news and ascribing their views as an accurate representation of their party.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/politic...317490.php

You think she is a crazy rando? I think she is typical of tens of thousands of protesters, BLM members, and she is helping to move the party to legislation like defunding the police.

The one you listed stands alone.

Yes, stands alone.

Quote: Five Texas GOP county leaders share racist Facebook posts, including one juxtaposing an MLK quote with a banana.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastr...iracy/amp/

For how much you people ***** and moan about the deplorables comment, and show self-righteous indignation about being labeled “ignorant,” you sure jump at the first ******* chance to try and label progressives in the exact same ******* manner.

Don’t ***** about mud being slung while you’re over here throwing ****, too.

Perhaps you missed the effect of the action: "These comments are disgusting and have no place in the Republican Party or in public discourse," Abbott spokesman John Wittman said in a statement Thursday morning.

How about this effect: Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick on Friday morning denounced Nielsen's post and said he "should withdraw immediately from any further consideration as county chair."

Or this: U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw, a Houston Republican, said in a statement to the Tribune that "Nielsen has no place in our party. Not now. Not ever" — and called his post "a sad reminder that such blatant ignorance and bigotry still exists."
Or perhaps you missed what the Republicans did to Rep. King just a short while back: they primaried him out of office.

Maybe not this: Republican Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush late Thursday said all four county leaders should step down. "I have said it before and I will say it again now: the GOP must not tolerate racism. Of any kind. At any time," he said in a Tweet.

Maybe not this either: Wittman told The Texas Tribune that the governor also wanted to Kaelin to step aside.
"Spreading conspiracy theories that the murder was staged simply defies reality; it is irresponsible, and unbecoming of anyone who holds a position in the GOP," Wittman said in a statement.

Obviously not this: Abbott's call for Brehm to resign earlier Thursday prompted a swift succession of condemnation. Shortly after Wittman's statement, U.S. Sen. John Cornyn's campaign said he believes Brehm should resign as well. Similar resignation calls came Thursday afternoon from Texas GOP Chairman James Dickey, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, Patrick and Texas House Speaker Dennis Bonnen. Dickey said in a statement that he had "personally reached out" to Brehm to ask her to step down.

Not this either: At least one San Antonio Republican, former Texas House Speaker Joe Straus, acknowledged that Brehm has a "long history of making racist and inflammatory statements, peddling conspiracy theories, and bringing embarrassment upon Bexar County Republicans." He said in a statement it was "well past time for her to resign."

God this is getting boring thinking of a new tagline: Garcia's tweet prompted U.S. Rep. Chip Roy, R-Austin, whose district includes Bexar County, to call for Brehm to step down immediately. The other Republican who represents Bexar County in the U.S. House, Rep. Will Hurd of Helotes, said he agreed Brehm should resign after Abbott's call Thursday.

Annndd, one other: State Sen. Donna Campbell, R-New Braunfels, who represents Bexar County as well, also pressured Brehm to resign Thursday afternoon. So did another GOP state senator whose district includes Bexar County, Sen. Pete Flores of Pleasanton.

Funny you didnt mention those in your pendantic rant. They were all there in that article alone, mind you.

(06-06-2020 07:17 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Perhaps you missed the effect of the action: "These comments are disgusting and have no place in the Republican Party or in public discourse," Abbott spokesman John Wittman said in a statement Thursday morning.

How about this effect: Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick on Friday morning denounced Nielsen's post and said he "should withdraw immediately from any further consideration as county chair."

Or this: U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw, a Houston Republican, said in a statement to the Tribune that "Nielsen has no place in our party. Not now. Not ever" — and called his post "a sad reminder that such blatant ignorance and bigotry still exists."
Or perhaps you missed what the Republicans did to Rep. King just a short while back: they primaried him out of office.

Maybe not this: Republican Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush late Thursday said all four county leaders should step down. "I have said it before and I will say it again now: the GOP must not tolerate racism. Of any kind. At any time," he said in a Tweet.

Maybe not this either: Wittman told The Texas Tribune that the governor also wanted to Kaelin to step aside.
"Spreading conspiracy theories that the murder was staged simply defies reality; it is irresponsible, and unbecoming of anyone who holds a position in the GOP," Wittman said in a statement.

Obviously not this: Abbott's call for Brehm to resign earlier Thursday prompted a swift succession of condemnation. Shortly after Wittman's statement, U.S. Sen. John Cornyn's campaign said he believes Brehm should resign as well. Similar resignation calls came Thursday afternoon from Texas GOP Chairman James Dickey, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, Patrick and Texas House Speaker Dennis Bonnen. Dickey said in a statement that he had "personally reached out" to Brehm to ask her to step down.

Not this either: At least one San Antonio Republican, former Texas House Speaker Joe Straus, acknowledged that Brehm has a "long history of making racist and inflammatory statements, peddling conspiracy theories, and bringing embarrassment upon Bexar County Republicans." He said in a statement it was "well past time for her to resign."

God this is getting boring thinking of a new tagline: Garcia's tweet prompted U.S. Rep. Chip Roy, R-Austin, whose district includes Bexar County, to call for Brehm to step down immediately. The other Republican who represents Bexar County in the U.S. House, Rep. Will Hurd of Helotes, said he agreed Brehm should resign after Abbott's call Thursday.

Annndd, one other: State Sen. Donna Campbell, R-New Braunfels, who represents Bexar County as well, also pressured Brehm to resign Thursday afternoon. So did another GOP state senator whose district includes Bexar County, Sen. Pete Flores of Pleasanton.

Funny you didnt mention those in your pendantic rant. They were all there in that article alone, mind you.

And democratic leaders/activists have said similar things regarding the looting and violence present at some of these protests.

So I’m glad you made my point for me. Have some ******* self-awareness when trying to say that the looters are indicative of progressives.

(06-06-2020 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  And democratic leaders/activists have said similar things regarding the looting and violence present at some of these protests.

Really? Straight-forward condemnations? You have links?

I've seen some mealy-mouthed half-assed comments. But out-and-out condemnations? Not really.