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...winning percentage of major Cincinnati sports teams:

255-89 [.741] UC Basketball
227-117 [.660] XU Basketball
79-49 [.617] UC Football
382-248 [.606] Cyclones
77-81 [.487] Bengals
775-845 [.478] Reds

More depressing than I thought for the Reds. I guess I’ve just blotted out the last few years in my mind.

Someone should let local media know...since they are pretty clueless.

Xavier has never been ranked #1 in the AP poll. Ever. Not even for one week.

Xavier has never been ranked #2 in the AP poll. Ever. Not even for one week.

Cincinnati has been ranked #1 more often (44 weeks) than Xavier has had a single-digit ranking (36 weeks).

(06-04-2020 11:43 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Xavier has never been ranked #1 in the AP poll. Ever. Not even for one week.

Xavier has never been ranked #2 in the AP poll. Ever. Not even for one week.

Cincinnati has been ranked #1 more often (44 weeks) than Xavier has had a single-digit ranking (36 weeks).

Good, now put this over on the conference realignment board where the BE fanboys are ringing XU’s praises while taking a shot at UC

https://csnbbs.com/thread-900450.html

(06-04-2020 11:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 11:43 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Xavier has never been ranked #1 in the AP poll. Ever. Not even for one week.

Xavier has never been ranked #2 in the AP poll. Ever. Not even for one week.

Cincinnati has been ranked #1 more often (44 weeks) than Xavier has had a single-digit ranking (36 weeks).

Good, now put this over on the conference realignment board where the BE fanboys are ringing XU’s praises while taking a shot at UC

https://csnbbs.com/thread-900450.html

It's good for a laugh over there at least.

X has more to worry about than Steele not making the tourney since he took over as head coach. Institutionally, these will be challenging times for all schools but especially for smaller, non-prestige private universities with premium priced tuition.

Football (still) drives the bus and those folks on that board will still be posting such inane speculation when our top 25 football team takes the field again in 90 days.

...winning percentage of major Cincinnati sports teams:

255-89 [.741] UC Basketball
227-117 [.660] XU Basketball
79-49 [.617] UC Football
382-248 [.606] Cyclones
77-81 [.487] Bengals
775-845 [.478] Reds

...winning percentage over the past 20 years:

472-204 [.698] XU Basketball
460-211 [.686] UC Basketball
157-97 [.618] UC Football
788-532 [.597] Cyclones
1526-1714 [.471] Reds
145-172 [.457] Bengals

A couple of takeaways. I realize that the Reds and Bengals have had some playoff appearances over the past two decades and it is pro sports but I wish the city would embrace UC football more than they do. There's been a few lows but overall our program has done very well from a winning standpoint. We on this Board have known this for a long time now.

The winning percentage between X and UC is pretty much statistically a wash. What's interesting is take out Cronin's rebuild/early years and it's probably not even close.

UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

(06-05-2020 06:33 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:33 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

Great post and I wholeheartedly agree with all your points.

I would only add that UC may have two competitive advantages. First, we've seen dramatically increased enrollment through much of the past decade and student attendance and passion for the "Nippert experience" are off the charts, even allowing for the down cycle of the Tuberville years. If even half of these students stay within 50 miles of campus after graduation, that could fill a lot of empty seats.

Second, we don't have huge numbers of empty seats left to fill. And a full 40,000 at Nippert looks a lot more impressive to recruits and the national TV audience than cavernous stadia with massive sections of empty seats in any number of P5 universities. Or for that matter, AAC competitors USF and Temple trying to fill NFL venues.

Anyone who has visited Nippert for the first time in the past two seasons has to be impressed with both the game day experience and victories over known brands UCLA and UCF. Many will want to come back for more. UC may be one New Year's Day bowl win away from attaining the respect a TCU or West Virginia had when each school accepted B12 invitations.

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:33 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

While there will always be fans of other teams in big cities I would argue that UC has only really had 15 years to market itself as a "real" football team and to build a consistent rabid fanbase will take more time.

I would argue that I am in the first UC graduating class to have a relevant football team for their entire time at UC 2006-2010. I am not trying to take away from the good teams that came before, but those good seasons never culminated in sustained success.

This coincides with the fact that we are seeing the first group of kids who are now growing up as true Bearcat Football fans who witnessed the success of the past 15 years.

If we continue to maintain the level of success we have seen over the past 15 years then the fans, and diehards will come. We are at a point where I feel 9 wins with a bowl game should be the expectation every year. Anything less is a letdown or failure.

That is a far cry from my Freshman year in 2006 when I watched the Miami game while lying sprawled out in the bleachers as a pledge double-fisting beers. Not many programs can tout that kind of change in a short period.

We live in a society that wants instant gratification, and you are trying to fight against institutions that have been entrenched in Cincinnati, and Ohio for 50+ years.

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

I agree, and I hope the school as a whole, not just the athletic department, is keeping a close eye on Wright State. If that school goes under, it would be best if UC had already been making a push for Dayton area students behold that event occurs.

(06-05-2020 12:58 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

I agree, and I hope the school as a whole, not just the athletic department, is keeping a close eye on Wright State. If that school goes under, it would be best if UC had already been making a push for Dayton area students behold that event occurs.

Or they can make it our Miami valley branch. Would make sense to partner up our aero program with WPAFB. UC should do it before OSU or Miami does.

(06-05-2020 01:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 12:58 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

I agree, and I hope the school as a whole, not just the athletic department, is keeping a close eye on Wright State. If that school goes under, it would be best if UC had already been making a push for Dayton area students behold that event occurs.

Or they can make it our Miami valley branch. Would make sense to partner up our aero program with WPAFB. UC should do it before OSU or Miami does.

Would be pretty cool to have a UC-Dayton or UC-Miami Valley campus and basketball program. I'd try to adopt them as my secondary rooting interest. I think it would be fun to have a reason to get into a 2nd team.

(06-05-2020 08:19 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:33 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

While there will always be fans of other teams in big cities I would argue that UC has only really had 15 years to market itself as a "real" football team and to build a consistent rabid fanbase will take more time.

I would argue that I am in the first UC graduating class to have a relevant football team for their entire time at UC 2006-2010. I am not trying to take away from the good teams that came before, but those good seasons never culminated in sustained success.

This coincides with the fact that we are seeing the first group of kids who are now growing up as true Bearcat Football fans who witnessed the success of the past 15 years.

If we continue to maintain the level of success we have seen over the past 15 years then the fans, and diehards will come. We are at a point where I feel 9 wins with a bowl game should be the expectation every year. Anything less is a letdown or failure.

That is a far cry from my Freshman year in 2006 when I watched the Miami game while lying sprawled out in the bleachers as a pledge double-fisting beers. Not many programs can tout that kind of change in a short period.

We live in a society that wants instant gratification, and you are trying to fight against institutions that have been entrenched in Cincinnati, and Ohio for 50+ years.

You are right. I am 47, went to UC in the early to mid 90s. Many guys my age are fans of other programs or do not follow CFB. My generation had UC hoops so some of them have come around a little on FB, but it is even worse for UC grads from the 80s who had neither FB of BB success.

My oldest is 20 and just wrapped up his second year at UC. He has always supported the Bearcats as did most of his friends. I think the support for UC is even stronger for my youngest two who are only 9 and 8.

(06-05-2020 03:19 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 08:19 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:33 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

While there will always be fans of other teams in big cities I would argue that UC has only really had 15 years to market itself as a "real" football team and to build a consistent rabid fanbase will take more time.

I would argue that I am in the first UC graduating class to have a relevant football team for their entire time at UC 2006-2010. I am not trying to take away from the good teams that came before, but those good seasons never culminated in sustained success.

This coincides with the fact that we are seeing the first group of kids who are now growing up as true Bearcat Football fans who witnessed the success of the past 15 years.

If we continue to maintain the level of success we have seen over the past 15 years then the fans, and diehards will come. We are at a point where I feel 9 wins with a bowl game should be the expectation every year. Anything less is a letdown or failure.

That is a far cry from my Freshman year in 2006 when I watched the Miami game while lying sprawled out in the bleachers as a pledge double-fisting beers. Not many programs can tout that kind of change in a short period.

We live in a society that wants instant gratification, and you are trying to fight against institutions that have been entrenched in Cincinnati, and Ohio for 50+ years.

You are right. I am 47, went to UC in the early to mid 90s. Many guys my age are fans of other programs or do not follow CFB. My generation had UC hoops so some of them have come around a little on FB, but it is even worse for UC grads from the 80s who had neither FB of BB success.

My oldest is 20 and just wrapped up his second year at UC. He has always supported the Bearcats as did most of his friends. I think the support for UC is even stronger for my youngest two who are only 9 and 8.

Some good comments on here. UC has always been in a tough spot when it comes to football and market penetration. There is not another college in the country that has to contend with two Big 10 teams (including the football Goliath that is O$U), an SEC team and an ACC team within 100 miles. That's not even mentioning an NFL team playing the Steelers, Browns, Ravens, Colts, et alia, just 3 miles away.

(06-05-2020 07:44 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:33 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

Great post and I wholeheartedly agree with all your points.

I would only add that UC may have two competitive advantages. First, we've seen dramatically increased enrollment through much of the past decade and student attendance and passion for the "Nippert experience" are off the charts, even allowing for the down cycle of the Tuberville years. If even half of these students stay within 50 miles of campus after graduation, that could fill a lot of empty seats.

Second, we don't have huge numbers of empty seats left to fill. And a full 40,000 at Nippert looks a lot more impressive to recruits and the national TV audience than cavernous stadia with massive sections of empty seats in any number of P5 universities. Or for that matter, AAC competitors USF and Temple trying to fill NFL venues.

Anyone who has visited Nippert for the first time in the past two seasons has to be impressed with both the game day experience and victories over known brands UCLA and UCF. Many will want to come back for more. UC may be one New Year's Day bowl win away from attaining the respect a TCU or West Virginia had when each school accepted B12 invitations.

Please post this on our 247 board. Thank you.

(06-06-2020 01:46 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:44 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:33 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

Great post and I wholeheartedly agree with all your points.

I would only add that UC may have two competitive advantages. First, we've seen dramatically increased enrollment through much of the past decade and student attendance and passion for the "Nippert experience" are off the charts, even allowing for the down cycle of the Tuberville years. If even half of these students stay within 50 miles of campus after graduation, that could fill a lot of empty seats.

Second, we don't have huge numbers of empty seats left to fill. And a full 40,000 at Nippert looks a lot more impressive to recruits and the national TV audience than cavernous stadia with massive sections of empty seats in any number of P5 universities. Or for that matter, AAC competitors USF and Temple trying to fill NFL venues.

Anyone who has visited Nippert for the first time in the past two seasons has to be impressed with both the game day experience and victories over known brands UCLA and UCF. Many will want to come back for more. UC may be one New Year's Day bowl win away from attaining the respect a TCU or West Virginia had when each school accepted B12 invitations.

Please post this on our 247 board. Thank you.

I really hope that whomever your new AD is can maybe push even harder for an OCS. Make that their big goal for their AD tenure.

(06-06-2020 11:38 PM)Cattidude Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 01:46 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:44 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:33 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  UC Football is a fantastic value. Good teams. Good Atmosphere. Good venue. This coming from a Miami Grad. The stadium should be full every game, but the Ohio State voodoo sucks the life out of the program.

OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

Great post and I wholeheartedly agree with all your points.

I would only add that UC may have two competitive advantages. First, we've seen dramatically increased enrollment through much of the past decade and student attendance and passion for the "Nippert experience" are off the charts, even allowing for the down cycle of the Tuberville years. If even half of these students stay within 50 miles of campus after graduation, that could fill a lot of empty seats.

Second, we don't have huge numbers of empty seats left to fill. And a full 40,000 at Nippert looks a lot more impressive to recruits and the national TV audience than cavernous stadia with massive sections of empty seats in any number of P5 universities. Or for that matter, AAC competitors USF and Temple trying to fill NFL venues.

Anyone who has visited Nippert for the first time in the past two seasons has to be impressed with both the game day experience and victories over known brands UCLA and UCF. Many will want to come back for more. UC may be one New Year's Day bowl win away from attaining the respect a TCU or West Virginia had when each school accepted B12 invitations.

Please post this on our 247 board. Thank you.

I really hope that whomever your new AD is can maybe push even harder for an OCS. Make that their big goal for their AD tenure.

UC will get to develop the Burnet Woods before Temple gets to build an OCS. Seriously. Take the opposition to UC using the park and multiply it by about 10...that's what Temple faces.

(06-07-2020 05:58 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 11:38 PM)Cattidude Wrote:  

(06-06-2020 01:46 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:44 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 07:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  OSU is a factor but there’s more. 50% of Greater Cincinnati wishes UC was not here. Between Miami grads (there are exceptions like yourself), XU grads, and fans of OSU, UK, Notre Dame, ransom SEC team, etc it only leaves half of the population to work with off the bat. With an NFL team in town then you have economy of money and time issues (even if you have the money, how many people can devote both days to football in the fall? It’s a tough pill for guys with a wife and kids).

This is why I have advocated for over a decade that UC needs to grow its presence in Dayton and other parts of the state. We’ve capped out our fan base in the Tri-State.

Great post and I wholeheartedly agree with all your points.

I would only add that UC may have two competitive advantages. First, we've seen dramatically increased enrollment through much of the past decade and student attendance and passion for the "Nippert experience" are off the charts, even allowing for the down cycle of the Tuberville years. If even half of these students stay within 50 miles of campus after graduation, that could fill a lot of empty seats.

Second, we don't have huge numbers of empty seats left to fill. And a full 40,000 at Nippert looks a lot more impressive to recruits and the national TV audience than cavernous stadia with massive sections of empty seats in any number of P5 universities. Or for that matter, AAC competitors USF and Temple trying to fill NFL venues.

Anyone who has visited Nippert for the first time in the past two seasons has to be impressed with both the game day experience and victories over known brands UCLA and UCF. Many will want to come back for more. UC may be one New Year's Day bowl win away from attaining the respect a TCU or West Virginia had when each school accepted B12 invitations.

Please post this on our 247 board. Thank you.

I really hope that whomever your new AD is can maybe push even harder for an OCS. Make that their big goal for their AD tenure.

UC will get to develop the Burnet Woods before Temple gets to build an OCS. Seriously. Take the opposition to UC using the park and multiply it by about 10...that's what Temple faces.

Temple was short sighted and gave up using Temple stadium and started using The Eagles Stadium. They tore it down and sold the land instead of upgrading or building a new stadium on the site. Now they are stuck!