(05-28-2020 11:29 PM)BuckeyeFlyerFlash Wrote:  Just to clear up a misconception guys- Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy.

Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy. From 1991 through 2009, corporations that he was associated with filed corporate bankruptcy, primarily as a result of too much debt at the hotel and casino properties in Atlantic City.

The second observation is that the Chapter 11 bankruptcy filings at the hotel and casinos etc, other than in the first corporate bankruptcy — where he personally guaranteed a small portion of the corporate debt — his personal wealth was not involved. A corporation is a separate legal entity, so a corporation going bankrupt does not automatically impact the personal assets of its shareholders.

Back on topic- The Covid 19 impact on football for the MAC seems primarily a risk as to the 2-3 OOC payday games each team has that funds a substantial portion of football expenses etc. KSU 3 OOC P5 games this fall are +/-$4MM in guarantees!!

This might be distinction without a difference.

Trump's empire has always been 'closely held' to the best of my knowledge.

So he is an individual, could have LLCs, and corporations where he is the sole stock holder.

So Trump, the person, and Trump's businesses are almost the same; indistinguishable.

I assume folks here know that legal entities like LLC, corporations, etc. are done to SHIELD individuals (owners) from the negative consequences of the corporation.

(05-28-2020 11:29 PM)BuckeyeFlyerFlash Wrote:  Just to clear up a misconception guys- Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy.

Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy. From 1991 through 2009, corporations that he was associated with filed corporate bankruptcy, primarily as a result of too much debt at the hotel and casino properties in Atlantic City.

The second observation is that the Chapter 11 bankruptcy filings at the hotel and casinos etc, other than in the first corporate bankruptcy — where he personally guaranteed a small portion of the corporate debt — his personal wealth was not involved. A corporation is a separate legal entity, so a corporation going bankrupt does not automatically impact the personal assets of its shareholders.

Back on topic- The Covid 19 impact on football for the MAC seems primarily a risk as to the 2-3 OOC payday games each team has that funds a substantial portion of football expenses etc. KSU 3 OOC P5 games this fall are +/-$4MM in guarantees!!

This might be distinction without a difference.

Trump's empire has always been 'closely held' to the best of my knowledge.

So he is an individual, could have LLCs, and corporations where he is the sole stock holder.

So Trump, the person, and Trump's businesses are almost the same; indistinguishable.

I assume folks here know that legal entities like LLC, corporations, etc. are done to SHIELD individuals (owners) from the negative consequences of the corporation.

(05-28-2020 02:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 08:30 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 04:59 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 03:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 07:55 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Prior to the pandemic, President Trump had lost an estimated $1 billion of his networth while in Office.

Though to be fair, he has had a lot more success in his life losing money than making money, so it's not like losing a lot of money at a fast rate is a new experience for him.

Before his dad died it was his dad that bailed him out, afterwards it was helping foreign gangsters launder money through real estate loopholes and appearing on a heavily edited "reality" TV show pretending to be a rich businessman. Both those more recent cash cows are either off the table or seriously hindered by being President.

Regrettably many are referring to him as a businessman. Unlike his original SOS, Rex Tillerson, Trump never has had to report to a Board of Directors. He is, however, a superb marketer and brand builder instead of producing a needed product. The Dem's want his tax returns, as they suspect tax evasion issues. He instead won't disclose them because they will expose his less than stellar financial resources. I admire him for projecting and convincing so many that he is a rich and successful man, I just do not believe that to be the case.

So you don’t think Donald Trump is rich or successful? Huh.

Bloomberg's (there no love lost there), estimates Trump's wealth close to $3billion. He is by far the wealthiest US President ever followed by George Washington.

My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

(05-28-2020 11:29 PM)BuckeyeFlyerFlash Wrote:  Back on topic- The Covid 19 impact on football for the MAC seems primarily a risk as to the 2-3 OOC payday games each team has that funds a substantial portion of football expenses etc. KSU 3 OOC P5 games this fall are +/-$4MM in guarantees!!

We've got three? {checks notes} Penn State, Kentucky and Bama.

Yeah, that Bama game is awfully suspect, Alabama is, predictably, an epidemic hot spot now after a premature opening. Kentucky is a bit dicey, but not as bad as if that was the Vols or Vandy.

___________________

(05-28-2020 11:29 PM)BuckeyeFlyerFlash Wrote:  Just to clear up a misconception guys- Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy.

Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy. From 1991 through 2009, corporations that he was associated with filed corporate bankruptcy, primarily as a result of too much debt at the hotel and casino properties in Atlantic City.

This is true. His failings have been as a businessman, and his borrowing were for highly leveraged acquisitions made various corporate shells to protect his own personal holdings.

So in the 90's, for instance, when so many of his closely held businesses went bankrupt that his creditors places him on an allowance, the allowance was large enough for him to pay his credit cards and meet personal obligations was not able to get away with welshing on.

The relevance of that to the present discussion is that the effectiveness of national policy could well be what you would expect of a Trump business ... having some positive results to point to and hype up out of proportion to their real significance during easy conditions, and crashing down like a house of cards when placed under stress ... meaning that there will be much more variability in effectiveness of policy from state to state than there would be if there was effective leadership available in the White House.

(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 02:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 08:30 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 04:59 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 03:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Though to be fair, he has had a lot more success in his life losing money than making money, so it's not like losing a lot of money at a fast rate is a new experience for him.

Before his dad died it was his dad that bailed him out, afterwards it was helping foreign gangsters launder money through real estate loopholes and appearing on a heavily edited "reality" TV show pretending to be a rich businessman. Both those more recent cash cows are either off the table or seriously hindered by being President.

Regrettably many are referring to him as a businessman. Unlike his original SOS, Rex Tillerson, Trump never has had to report to a Board of Directors. He is, however, a superb marketer and brand builder instead of producing a needed product. The Dem's want his tax returns, as they suspect tax evasion issues. He instead won't disclose them because they will expose his less than stellar financial resources. I admire him for projecting and convincing so many that he is a rich and successful man, I just do not believe that to be the case.

So you don’t think Donald Trump is rich or successful? Huh.

Bloomberg's (there no love lost there), estimates Trump's wealth close to $3billion. He is by far the wealthiest US President ever followed by George Washington.

My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

(06-01-2020 10:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 02:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 08:30 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 04:59 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Regrettably many are referring to him as a businessman. Unlike his original SOS, Rex Tillerson, Trump never has had to report to a Board of Directors. He is, however, a superb marketer and brand builder instead of producing a needed product. The Dem's want his tax returns, as they suspect tax evasion issues. He instead won't disclose them because they will expose his less than stellar financial resources. I admire him for projecting and convincing so many that he is a rich and successful man, I just do not believe that to be the case.

So you don’t think Donald Trump is rich or successful? Huh.

Bloomberg's (there no love lost there), estimates Trump's wealth close to $3billion. He is by far the wealthiest US President ever followed by George Washington.

My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

Businesses do contribute to society. If people don't want their product, they won't buy it & the business will go under. Businesses employ people & allow them to get out of poverty. I get cost of living has gone up & 'essential' products/services can be pricey, but I see a lot of poorer folk buying things they want & aren't essential to their well-being left & right & then they complain how unfair the world is when they can't pay rent. I have little sympathy for them.

(06-01-2020 12:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 10:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 02:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 08:30 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  So you don’t think Donald Trump is rich or successful? Huh.

Bloomberg's (there no love lost there), estimates Trump's wealth close to $3billion. He is by far the wealthiest US President ever followed by George Washington.

My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

Businesses do contribute to society. If people don't want their product, they won't buy it & the business will go under. Businesses employ people & allow them to get out of poverty. I get cost of living has gone up & 'essential' products/services can be pricey, but I see a lot of poorer folk buying things they want & aren't essential to their well-being left & right & then they complain how unfair the world is when they can't pay rent. I have little sympathy for them.

Bronco I have no problem with the profit motivation, in fact I find the Sanders and Warren argument about wealth disparity largely based in pure envy of other's success. My point is this, Bill Gates became wealthy by developing software that allows us to participate in the discussion we are currently having. He met a societal need and rightfully profited from it, Trump not so much.

I have always been a proponent of having more businessmen in government. Most CEO's have been trained to lead large groups of people, make tough decisions, collaborate with a board of directors and most importantly make prudent financial expenditures. Mitt Romney was my dream choice for President and he still is.

Regrettably Trump has now tainted the concept of businessmen in politics. He is and has been a great entertainer. While I find the comments of Allyssa Milano and Robert DeNiro to be hilarious, while they are famous, their statements show a dearth of intellect. Unfortunately I think our President falls into a similar category. As a crisis manager he has been found seriously wanting.

(06-01-2020 10:08 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 11:29 PM)BuckeyeFlyerFlash Wrote:  Back on topic- The Covid 19 impact on football for the MAC seems primarily a risk as to the 2-3 OOC payday games each team has that funds a substantial portion of football expenses etc. KSU 3 OOC P5 games this fall are +/-$4MM in guarantees!!

We've got three? {checks notes} Penn State, Kentucky and Bama.

Yeah, that Bama game is awfully suspect, Alabama is, predictably, an epidemic hot spot now after a premature opening. Kentucky is a bit dicey, but not as bad as if that was the Vols or Vandy.

___________________

(05-28-2020 11:29 PM)BuckeyeFlyerFlash Wrote:  Just to clear up a misconception guys- Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy.

Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy. From 1991 through 2009, corporations that he was associated with filed corporate bankruptcy, primarily as a result of too much debt at the hotel and casino properties in Atlantic City.

This is true. His failings have been as a businessman, and his borrowing were for highly leveraged acquisitions made various corporate shells to protect his own personal holdings.

So in the 90's, for instance, when so many of his closely held businesses went bankrupt that his creditors places him on an allowance, the allowance was large enough for him to pay his credit cards and meet personal obligations was not able to get away with welshing on.

The relevance of that to the present discussion is that the effectiveness of national policy could well be what you would expect of a Trump business ... having some positive results to point to and hype up out of proportion to their real significance during easy conditions, and crashing down like a house of cards when placed under stress ... meaning that there will be much more variability in effectiveness of policy from state to state than there would be if there was effective leadership available in the White House.

Gotta love our KSU alum@ Alabama making sure we are on their schedule as an OOC game every few cycles!! Always an a** wooping but a great event like saturday in Tuscaloosa for our players to experience. Maybe Flashes can steal one in Lexington....

(06-01-2020 04:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 12:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 10:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 02:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Bloomberg's (there no love lost there), estimates Trump's wealth close to $3billion. He is by far the wealthiest US President ever followed by George Washington.

My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

Businesses do contribute to society. If people don't want their product, they won't buy it & the business will go under. Businesses employ people & allow them to get out of poverty. I get cost of living has gone up & 'essential' products/services can be pricey, but I see a lot of poorer folk buying things they want & aren't essential to their well-being left & right & then they complain how unfair the world is when they can't pay rent. I have little sympathy for them.

Bronco I have no problem with the profit motivation, in fact I find the Sanders and Warren argument about wealth disparity largely based in pure envy of other's success. My point is this, Bill Gates became wealthy by developing software that allows us to participate in the discussion we are currently having. He met a societal need and rightfully profited from it, Trump not so much.

I have always been a proponent of having more businessmen in government. Most CEO's have been trained to lead large groups of people, make tough decisions, collaborate with a board of directors and most importantly make prudent financial expenditures. Mitt Romney was my dream choice for President and he still is.

Regrettably Trump has now tainted the concept of businessmen in politics. He is and has been a great entertainer. While I find the comments of Allyssa Milano and Robert DeNiro to be hilarious, while they are famous, their statements show a dearth of intellect. Unfortunately I think our President falls into a similar category. As a crisis manager he has been found seriously wanting.

get the f outta here with this tripe

(06-01-2020 04:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 12:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 10:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 02:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Bloomberg's (there no love lost there), estimates Trump's wealth close to $3billion. He is by far the wealthiest US President ever followed by George Washington.

My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

Businesses do contribute to society. If people don't want their product, they won't buy it & the business will go under. Businesses employ people & allow them to get out of poverty. I get cost of living has gone up & 'essential' products/services can be pricey, but I see a lot of poorer folk buying things they want & aren't essential to their well-being left & right & then they complain how unfair the world is when they can't pay rent. I have little sympathy for them.

Bronco I have no problem with the profit motivation, in fact I find the Sanders and Warren argument about wealth disparity largely based in pure envy of other's success. My point is this, Bill Gates became wealthy by developing software that allows us to participate in the discussion we are currently having. He met a societal need and rightfully profited from it, Trump not so much.

I have always been a proponent of having more businessmen in government. Most CEO's have been trained to lead large groups of people, make tough decisions, collaborate with a board of directors and most importantly make prudent financial expenditures. Mitt Romney was my dream choice for President and he still is.

Regrettably Trump has now tainted the concept of businessmen in politics. He is and has been a great entertainer. While I find the comments of Allyssa Milano and Robert DeNiro to be hilarious, while they are famous, their statements show a dearth of intellect. Unfortunately I think our President falls into a similar category. As a crisis manager he has been found seriously wanting.

Not a big fan of private equity firms like Bain Capital
and leveraged buyouts. They suck the value out of the majority of firms, rotate their management teams, who line their pockets with millions, and walk away.In the meantime, employees lose jobs, benefits, etc.It's financial piracy which Romney has been a part of.

Sweet..... Politics.

Glad we have Mods on this board.......

(06-01-2020 09:35 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Sweet..... Politics.

Glad we have Mods on this board.......

Many civil posters...

To turn topic back to hand, I still don't think we'll see fall sports.

(06-01-2020 04:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 12:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 10:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 02:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Bloomberg's (there no love lost there), estimates Trump's wealth close to $3billion. He is by far the wealthiest US President ever followed by George Washington.

My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

Businesses do contribute to society. If people don't want their product, they won't buy it & the business will go under. Businesses employ people & allow them to get out of poverty. I get cost of living has gone up & 'essential' products/services can be pricey, but I see a lot of poorer folk buying things they want & aren't essential to their well-being left & right & then they complain how unfair the world is when they can't pay rent. I have little sympathy for them.

Bronco I have no problem with the profit motivation, in fact I find the Sanders and Warren argument about wealth disparity largely based in pure envy of other's success. My point is this, Bill Gates became wealthy by developing software that allows us to participate in the discussion we are currently having. He met a societal need and rightfully profited from it, Trump not so much.

I have always been a proponent of having more businessmen in government. Most CEO's have been trained to lead large groups of people, make tough decisions, collaborate with a board of directors and most importantly make prudent financial expenditures. Mitt Romney was my dream choice for President and he still is.

Regrettably Trump has now tainted the concept of businessmen in politics. He is and has been a great entertainer. While I find the comments of Allyssa Milano and Robert DeNiro to be hilarious, while they are famous, their statements show a dearth of intellect. Unfortunately I think our President falls into a similar category. As a crisis manager he has been found seriously wanting.

so, while you guys gush over the beauty of profiteering, the other 90% of the planet that is surviving in spite, not because, of the economic system, will continue to get more and more pissed off. In case you missed it, in this golden era of capitalism, most people's lives are declining, and most people feel like the world is going in the wrong direction. And to be clear, outside of the blockaded island of Cuba, there is no socialism. Yeah, there's a little mixed into the capitalism here and there, but we live in a world utterly and completely dominated by capital. Stop blaming some socialist phantoms. What we have is what capitalism has given us. For better or worse.

as far as acting like "spoiled uniformed children" I only see one person who matches that description (constantly lies-check, takes more credit than he deserves-check, is never responsible when something goes wrong-check, throws his friends under the bus when they call him to account-check, makes fun of people-check, makes big talk but runs away when challenged-check).

Now, as far as sports. It does look like the NBA will be playing neutral court games by August. So, there will be some sports. As far as college sports it looks like it will depend on if our "re-opening" can be managed well enough to only have small outbreaks of COVID. So far, the results are mixed.

(06-02-2020 04:42 AM)pono Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 04:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 12:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 10:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

Businesses do contribute to society. If people don't want their product, they won't buy it & the business will go under. Businesses employ people & allow them to get out of poverty. I get cost of living has gone up & 'essential' products/services can be pricey, but I see a lot of poorer folk buying things they want & aren't essential to their well-being left & right & then they complain how unfair the world is when they can't pay rent. I have little sympathy for them.

Bronco I have no problem with the profit motivation, in fact I find the Sanders and Warren argument about wealth disparity largely based in pure envy of other's success. My point is this, Bill Gates became wealthy by developing software that allows us to participate in the discussion we are currently having. He met a societal need and rightfully profited from it, Trump not so much.

I have always been a proponent of having more businessmen in government. Most CEO's have been trained to lead large groups of people, make tough decisions, collaborate with a board of directors and most importantly make prudent financial expenditures. Mitt Romney was my dream choice for President and he still is.

Regrettably Trump has now tainted the concept of businessmen in politics. He is and has been a great entertainer. While I find the comments of Allyssa Milano and Robert DeNiro to be hilarious, while they are famous, their statements show a dearth of intellect. Unfortunately I think our President falls into a similar category. As a crisis manager he has been found seriously wanting.

so, while you guys gush over the beauty of profiteering, the other 90% of the planet that is surviving in spite, not because, of the economic system, will continue to get more and more pissed off. In case you missed it, in this golden era of capitalism, most people's lives are declining, and most people feel like the world is going in the wrong direction. And to be clear, outside of the blockaded island of Cuba, there is no socialism. Yeah, there's a little mixed into the capitalism here and there, but we live in a world utterly and completely dominated by capital. Stop blaming some socialist phantoms. What we have is what capitalism has given us. For better or worse.

as far as acting like "spoiled uniformed children" I only see one person who matches that description (constantly lies-check, takes more credit than he deserves-check, is never responsible when something goes wrong-check, throws his friends under the bus when they call him to account-check, makes fun of people-check, makes big talk but runs away when challenged-check).

Now, as far as sports. It does look like the NBA will be playing neutral court games by August. So, there will be some sports. As far as college sports it looks like it will depend on if our "re-opening" can be managed well enough to only have small outbreaks of COVID. So far, the results are mixed.

Sounds alot like Bill Clinton.
I've got my Rocket and Heat gear ready.

Two Marshall athletes and a staffer tested positive
for covid19 over the weekend.

(06-02-2020 04:42 AM)pono Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 04:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 12:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(06-01-2020 10:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

Businesses do contribute to society. If people don't want their product, they won't buy it & the business will go under. Businesses employ people & allow them to get out of poverty. I get cost of living has gone up & 'essential' products/services can be pricey, but I see a lot of poorer folk buying things they want & aren't essential to their well-being left & right & then they complain how unfair the world is when they can't pay rent. I have little sympathy for them.

Bronco I have no problem with the profit motivation, in fact I find the Sanders and Warren argument about wealth disparity largely based in pure envy of other's success. My point is this, Bill Gates became wealthy by developing software that allows us to participate in the discussion we are currently having. He met a societal need and rightfully profited from it, Trump not so much.

I have always been a proponent of having more businessmen in government. Most CEO's have been trained to lead large groups of people, make tough decisions, collaborate with a board of directors and most importantly make prudent financial expenditures. Mitt Romney was my dream choice for President and he still is.

Regrettably Trump has now tainted the concept of businessmen in politics. He is and has been a great entertainer. While I find the comments of Allyssa Milano and Robert DeNiro to be hilarious, while they are famous, their statements show a dearth of intellect. Unfortunately I think our President falls into a similar category. As a crisis manager he has been found seriously wanting.

so, while you guys gush over the beauty of profiteering, the other 90% of the planet that is surviving in spite, not because, of the economic system, will continue to get more and more pissed off. In case you missed it, in this golden era of capitalism, most people's lives are declining, and most people feel like the world is going in the wrong direction. And to be clear, outside of the blockaded island of Cuba, there is no socialism. Yeah, there's a little mixed into the capitalism here and there, but we live in a world utterly and completely dominated by capital. Stop blaming some socialist phantoms. What we have is what capitalism has given us. For better or worse.

as far as acting like "spoiled uniformed children" I only see one person who matches that description (constantly lies-check, takes more credit than he deserves-check, is never responsible when something goes wrong-check, throws his friends under the bus when they call him to account-check, makes fun of people-check, makes big talk but runs away when challenged-check).

Now, as far as sports. It does look like the NBA will be playing neutral court games by August. So, there will be some sports. As far as college sports it looks like it will depend on if our "re-opening" can be managed well enough to only have small outbreaks of COVID. So far, the results are mixed.

Incredible thirst for sports. The NFL draft and two hokey golf matches got record TV ratings as a result. I think the NBA would do quite well with "television studio" games, no matter if the superstars play or not.

In reality the virus appears to be a near zero risk to the long term health of those aged under 40 and especially athletes in superb physical condition. I've read that Rutgers is working to configure their football locker to six feet spacing between players. Really? Then they go onto the playing field and experience body to body contact? Officials and coaching staffs are truly the at risk personnel should sports resume and I would suggest that most efforts be extended to protect them.

For an attorney, accountant, IT programmer, teacher, etc..., this delay has just been a short press of the pause button in their 30 year careers. Professional athletes do not have 30 years to perform their chosen craft. The average NFL career is 3.3 years, thus a lost season equates to a loss of ten years to most employed in our economy.

We all follow MAC sports on this board. A microscopic number of MAC athletes will have an opportunity to continue their sports career after college. The time and efforts they have expended on training to date, however, probably differ little from those of a Zion Williamson. I want those 21-22 year old seniors to play their final seasons, graduate and move on to the next stage of their lives. For those few who are uncomfortable doing so, I would have no problem with simply honoring their scholarship while they don't play. I say let 'em play.

(06-03-2020 04:58 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  In reality the virus appears to be a near zero risk to the long term health of those aged under 40 and especially athletes in superb physical condition.

This appears to be taking ignorance of whether there is a problem and equating it to the absence of a problem. In reality, we have no idea, and will not until that long term has actually happened for a large enough number of cases to know.

The flare up of what appears to be myocarditus or some other form of myocardial injury in kids after recovering from mild cases of covid19 is certainly a warning flag that we do not, in fact, actually know what the long term effects of a novel viral infection might prove to be.

(06-01-2020 05:02 PM)BuckeyeFlyerFlash Wrote:  Gotta love our KSU alum@ Alabama making sure we are on their schedule as an OOC game every few cycles!! Always an a** wooping but a great event like saturday in Tuscaloosa for our players to experience. Maybe Flashes can steal one in Lexington....

Well, I guess the money spends ... I do wish there was only two body bag games on the schedule ... or even better, one, and two Go5 H/H contracts ...

... but OTOH I also wish I had enough money to toss some to the Golden Flashes, it's not like I can do anything to make a third body bag game unnecessary, and at least the guarantee is generous.

I just wish that the odds were better of them playing that game. One bright spot is that the Tide can afford to pay the guarantee even if the game is played in a locked stadium as SEC Network fodder.

The biggest infection worry on the field is probably the lines ... one presymptomatic offensive or defensive lineman could easily infect three or four of your line. And with the drop off in talent as you get to the third string of most MAC lines, that could have a massive impact on competitiveness until they fully recover.

I wonder whether the colleges are going to front the cost for those immediate result machines and kit and have each player suited up tested pre-game before they are allowed to play? That could well make it safe enough to play ... and obviously 'Bama could afford the kit if anyone could.

And, yes, of the three, Kentucky is the biggest hope of getting a P5 school with players who have penciled in the win and are looking ahead to next week that you can catch napping. The other two, whether or not we catch them napping, they have plenty of firepower to get caught napping and then wake up and beat us anyway.

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(05-31-2020 04:24 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  My remarks about his success were an overstatement. The guy got elected to office and is now the most powerful man on the planet, an accomplishment to be revered for sure.

My idea of a successful businessman. however, is someone who builds companies that make a genuine societal contribution. Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler. Jack Welch built GE into a huge and great enterprise. Donald Trump built a "brand" with The Apprentice TV show and wrote a best seller The Art of the Deal, in my opinion he is a high performer financially in the Kardashian category. He is 10% businessman and 90% entertainer.

That said, he has done many good things while in office. His trade deal activism has been welcomed. He inspired confidence in the business community and the stock market took off. I voted for him in 2016, but in 2020 his shelf life has expired.

(06-01-2020 10:25 AM)brovol Wrote:  Businesses exist to make profit; not to "contribute to society". People have been indoctrinated in schools and through media over the past 20 years or so by socialists who think that we all exist to serve society. If people have self responsibility, and work to take care of themselves and their families, others wont have to do it for them.

There should be no corporate or individual shame in seeking profit and wealth by all legal means. It bothers me that very wealthy people are expected to apologize for their success, rather be commended for achieving what used to be known as "the American Dream". If all people maintained a "selfish" "greed", and motivate themselves to achieve and be "successful" enough to buy fancy boats and homes, less folks would expect to receive government assistance (which becomes government sustenance), unemployment would be very low, prosperity would prevail, and people would act like "grown-ups" rather than spoiled uninformed children, which is what we see in the streets of big cities right now.

I fail to see how any of this on either side has any relevance to whether MAC football schedules will be disrupted by covid19. Could you too take that to the Spin Room?

I can't avoid including my view of the current President's administrative competence if I am going to be honest about my assessment of the prospects for away games outside of one of the three multi-state compacts ... like our game in Tuscaloosa this fall ... despite knowing the risk that responses will lapse into partisan politics ...

... but that isn't actually a partisan or ideological argument. IMV either of the major party candidates running in 2012 would have executed a much more competent federal covid19 policy.

WMU’s home opener looking unlikely.

http://www.college-sports-journal.com/pa...trictions/

Quote: Three Patriot League football teams have out-of-conference games that require flights: Colgate at Western Michigan September 4th, Fordham at Hawai’i on September 12th, and Georgetown at San Diego on November 21st. These games seem in danger of being cancelled based on the flight restriction.

(06-22-2020 06:11 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  WMU’s home opener looking unlikely.

http://www.college-sports-journal.com/pa...trictions/

Quote: Three Patriot League football teams have out-of-conference games that require flights: Colgate at Western Michigan September 4th, Fordham at Hawai’i on September 12th, and Georgetown at San Diego on November 21st. These games seem in danger of being cancelled based on the flight restriction.

Ugh, I'd say we could set up a game w/ one of those other teams, but not sure we want to fly out to Hawaii or San Diego. Not sure of NCAA FBS rules, but does anyone have a Bye Week 1 we could schedule w/ & that'd give them a 13th game?

Maybe some more conferences will cancel?

Also, Colgate would fly out to Kalamazoo?

Oh well, I see the season being cancelled for everyone so it's likely moot conversation anyways