(05-22-2020 06:11 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I know you know this but you know I am gonna say it anyway you know:

The AAC and MWC doesn't need the other three G5 conferences. I would even go as far to say the MAC don't need CUSA or the SunBelt.

Your opinion seems very important to you as mine does to me.

Here's mine: The Sun Belt Conference does not need the MAC, CUSA, or the MWC. Although UAB, USM and Marshall would strengthen the Belt.

(05-23-2020 09:46 AM)Red Dragon Coog Wrote:  When you aren't good enough to make the AAC, drag everybody else down to your level.


Also The Big 12 owns the SWC trademark

I did a limited google search on the Southwest Conference trademark but couldn’t find anything definitive. I did find reference to the SWC archives now being housed at Texas Tech, and a Houston attorney (UT Law School) filing the last trademark action.

(05-22-2020 06:11 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I know you know this but you know I am gonna say it anyway you know:

The AAC and MWC doesn't need the other three G5 conferences. I would even go as far to say the MAC don't need CUSA or the SunBelt.

I will argue that as long as the Access Bowl and revenue distribution rules are written as the Group of 5, all conferences need each other.

I get your point on finances, but it seems the MAC might be most at risk of losing members due to available funding from their state governments and student body fees.

(05-23-2020 08:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 11:20 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:43 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:37 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  https://morningconsult.com/2019/12/12/es...-big-east/

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/espn-ca...rence.html

The reckoning for the AAC is under way. Humility is a dish best served cold.

Ehhhh...I read both articles. Nowhere does either state the deal will be "drastically reduced". The reality? We now know the UConn value is 4 million for olympic sports and about 500K+/- for football. There's your damages as any court would likely define them. At most the change will be a straight 1/12 the of the deal---and it could easily be as little as 4.5 million. Im not expecting the 7 million per team value to fall at all. Assuming there was a reorganization of all G5's---the SWC suggested seems to be in the ball park. It includes all the former SWC members that are G5. It adds Arky St to replicate that portion of the original SWC footprint.

Where I'd be different is I'd stretch it some to increase quality---even though I added a bit of travel. Im not suggesting going overboard---but Id add Cinci and Memphis for sure and drop two teams on the list. I'd also stick Wichita in there as a olympic sports member. That at least gives you a very nice core of teams for the basketball side so it can be a consistent multiple bid league. So, this would be my core and I'd build around it---

The old SWC teams and/or footprint
Rice
Houston
SMU
Arky St

Teams reasonably within reach that have good basketball and football

Memphis
Cinci
Wichita (good basketball and it doesnt hurt football at all)


Add Tulsa, LaTech, and S Miss. Thats your new footprint. Thats 9. Room for 3 more within that footprint.

We appreciate your insights - mod from the aac. Well said. But humility is coming your way.

You do realize that even after ESPN cuts their media money, the AAC will still be making substantially more than C-USA?

I guess you’re my personal troll

(05-23-2020 09:41 AM)TTT Wrote:  I don't see the AAC disbanding. They'll stay at whatever minimum # requirement is. This is what CUSA should do:

West
North Texas
UTSA
La Tech
ULL
Southern Miss
Troy
UAB

East
Ark State
MTSU
WKU
App State
Marshall
FAU
FIU

If there was ever going to be a cherry pick league, this is it. my one change is switch GA for FL.

West
North Texas
UTSA
La Tech
Louisiana
Southern Miss
Ark State
MTSU


East
Troy
UAB
WKU
App State
Marshall
GSU
GS

(05-22-2020 03:02 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  G5 Heartland
Memphis
WKU
Middle Tennessee
Cincinnati
Marshall
UAB
Troy
USM
Georgia State
App State

Where is ECU in this scenario.

Id prefer to keep Rice simply because theyre the best academic institution in the G5. What does this mean for the rest of us? Not much, but its nice to be associated with smart people. Plus they're a 2.0 holdover so that has merit. Honestly, why take UTSA over Rice?

(05-23-2020 11:30 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 03:02 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  G5 Heartland
Memphis
WKU
Middle Tennessee
Cincinnati
Marshall
UAB
Troy
USM
Georgia State
App State

Where is ECU in this scenario.

ECU would be in the G5 Coastal Conference

G5 Coastal Conference
ECU
ODU
FAU
UCF
USF
FIU
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
Navy
Temple

(05-23-2020 10:02 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:11 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I know you know this but you know I am gonna say it anyway you know:

The AAC and MWC doesn't need the other three G5 conferences. I would even go as far to say the MAC don't need CUSA or the SunBelt.

Your opinion seems very important to you as mine does to me.

Here's mine: The Sun Belt Conference does not need the MAC, CUSA, or the MWC. Although UAB, USM and Marshall would strengthen the Belt.

Honestly agree with this. Of all the G5 conferences, CUSA is probably in the worst position. MWC and AAC are fine. MAC might be the worst G5 conference in terms of competitiveness (debatable), but they're geographically compact. Sun Belt is on par with us, at least in football, and they have less mouths to feed and theyre not spread as far. I don't buy that most Sun Belt members would jump at the chance to join CUSA. Might have been true 6 or 7 years ago when nearly half the conference defected to CUSA, but likely not now.

(05-22-2020 09:51 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 08:59 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 02:37 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 02:32 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  With the impending recession coming and public college funding cuts inevitable, G5 conferences will need to align to survive.

ESPN has already indicated that the AAC contract will be renegotiated drastically now that UConn has left. And now that live sports has stopped and ESPN is in survival mode a drastic reduction is highly probable.

What would a G5 realignment look like?

Southwest G5
Houston
North Texas
SMU
Tech
Tulsa
Texas State
Rice
UTEP
Arkansas State
Louisiana
UTSA

Tulane for #12.

I like it, I wouldn’t mind southern Mississippi but I understand everything can’t be perfect, I’m gonna throw you a curve ball though. There’s a lot of teams in this new conference who don’t like each other on the gridiron and don’t get to play often..... break down the new rivalry week match ups for us lol

Rivalry matchups:
UNT vs Texas St.
UTEP vs UTSA
Tulsa vs Arkansas St.
Tulane vs Rice
Houston vs ULL
SMU vs Louisiana Tech

Looks good to me. New Southwest Conference because Texas St. owns the naming rights, I believe.
I would hate to lose Southern Miss. as a conference foe but we can always schedule each other as non-conference opponents for football, basketball and baseball.

If push comes to shove we could add Southern Miss from the G5 Heartland Conference at the Airport meeting of course.

Southern Miss baseball is consistently the best in CUSA so they would make up for North Texas promised nonexistent baseball team

(05-23-2020 12:27 PM)BlazintheAtl1 Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 10:02 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 06:11 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I know you know this but you know I am gonna say it anyway you know:

The AAC and MWC doesn't need the other three G5 conferences. I would even go as far to say the MAC don't need CUSA or the SunBelt.

Your opinion seems very important to you as mine does to me.

Here's mine: The Sun Belt Conference does not need the MAC, CUSA, or the MWC. Although UAB, USM and Marshall would strengthen the Belt.

Honestly agree with this. Of all the G5 conferences, CUSA is probably in the worst position. MWC and AAC are fine. MAC might be the worst G5 conference in terms of competitiveness (debatable), but they're geographically compact. Sun Belt is on par with us, at least in football, and they have less mouths to feed and theyre not spread as far. I don't buy that most Sun Belt members would jump at the chance to join CUSA. Might have been true 6 or 7 years ago when nearly half the conference defected to CUSA, but likely not now.

Fake Poster or as Trump would say Fake News

ECU has the same haughty attitude toward proposed schools in your G5 Heartland Conference as Memphis and Cincy. Except fort their success in putting butts in seats for FB; I can't imagine why. They would probably be a decent fit. However, if you are talking economy and overall financial success for your new Heartland venture; you've already maxed out at 10 teams. Unless your conference is in the Cartel-5; you don't need more than 10 (and the B12 has done pretty dang well in the Cartel with only 10). BTW, not to burst bubbles; ain't gonna be no reformation of CUSA until Cartel-5 and AAC and/or MWC moves some pieces.

(05-23-2020 12:35 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  ECU has the same haughty attitude toward proposed schools in your G5 Heartland Conference as Memphis and Cincy. Except fort their success in putting butts in seats for FB; I can't imagine why. They would probably be a decent fit. However, if you are talking economy and overall financial success for your new Heartland venture; you've already maxed out at 10 teams. Unless your conference is in the Cartel-5; you don't need more than 10 (and the B12 has done pretty dang well in the Cartel with only 10). BTW, not to burst bubbles; ain't gonna be no reformation of CUSA until Cartel-5 and AAC and/or MWC moves some pieces.

I agree but the G5 conferences have just as much chance of realigning as CUSA/Sunbelt so why not come with up some regional G5 conferences just in case.

There’s always a chance an Airport meeting could happen especially after ESPN renegotiates the AAC contract. In fact CUSA and AAC could leave their offices from Las Colinas and travel 5 mins down 114 to meet Benson from the Sunbelt at DFW

ESPN has lost 90% viewership since the Corona Virus took hold and have laid off employees , DIS is going to be hit hard from this.
Closed down Theme Parks, No Disney Cruises, No live sports on ESPN.
The one good thing is that people have been watching more TV so Disney+ has went up.

(05-23-2020 12:18 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 11:30 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 03:02 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  G5 Heartland
Memphis
WKU
Middle Tennessee
Cincinnati
Marshall
UAB
Troy
USM
Georgia State
App State

Where is ECU in this scenario.

ECU would be in the G5 Coastal Conference

G5 Coastal Conference
ECU
ODU
FAU
UCF
USF
FIU
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
Navy
Temple

This is a better group for that region -


Temple
Navy
ODU
Marshall
Charlotte
App State
ECU
GA State
FIU
FAU
UCF
USF

(05-23-2020 11:03 AM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 08:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 11:20 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:43 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  The reckoning for the AAC is under way. Humility is a dish best served cold.

Ehhhh...I read both articles. Nowhere does either state the deal will be "drastically reduced". The reality? We now know the UConn value is 4 million for olympic sports and about 500K+/- for football. There's your damages as any court would likely define them. At most the change will be a straight 1/12 the of the deal---and it could easily be as little as 4.5 million. Im not expecting the 7 million per team value to fall at all. Assuming there was a reorganization of all G5's---the SWC suggested seems to be in the ball park. It includes all the former SWC members that are G5. It adds Arky St to replicate that portion of the original SWC footprint.

Where I'd be different is I'd stretch it some to increase quality---even though I added a bit of travel. Im not suggesting going overboard---but Id add Cinci and Memphis for sure and drop two teams on the list. I'd also stick Wichita in there as a olympic sports member. That at least gives you a very nice core of teams for the basketball side so it can be a consistent multiple bid league. So, this would be my core and I'd build around it---

The old SWC teams and/or footprint
Rice
Houston
SMU
Arky St

Teams reasonably within reach that have good basketball and football

Memphis
Cinci
Wichita (good basketball and it doesnt hurt football at all)


Add Tulsa, LaTech, and S Miss. Thats your new footprint. Thats 9. Room for 3 more within that footprint.

We appreciate your insights - mod from the aac. Well said. But humility is coming your way.

You do realize that even after ESPN cuts their media money, the AAC will still be making substantially more than C-USA?

I guess you’re my personal troll

Ha! You wish.

I would have called out anyone that posted that stupid statement regarding the AAC's reworked ESPN deal. MinerInWisconsin called you out on it too.

(05-23-2020 11:03 AM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-23-2020 08:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 11:20 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:43 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  The reckoning for the AAC is under way. Humility is a dish best served cold.

Ehhhh...I read both articles. Nowhere does either state the deal will be "drastically reduced". The reality? We now know the UConn value is 4 million for olympic sports and about 500K+/- for football. There's your damages as any court would likely define them. At most the change will be a straight 1/12 the of the deal---and it could easily be as little as 4.5 million. Im not expecting the 7 million per team value to fall at all. Assuming there was a reorganization of all G5's---the SWC suggested seems to be in the ball park. It includes all the former SWC members that are G5. It adds Arky St to replicate that portion of the original SWC footprint.

Where I'd be different is I'd stretch it some to increase quality---even though I added a bit of travel. Im not suggesting going overboard---but Id add Cinci and Memphis for sure and drop two teams on the list. I'd also stick Wichita in there as a olympic sports member. That at least gives you a very nice core of teams for the basketball side so it can be a consistent multiple bid league. So, this would be my core and I'd build around it---

The old SWC teams and/or footprint
Rice
Houston
SMU
Arky St

Teams reasonably within reach that have good basketball and football

Memphis
Cinci
Wichita (good basketball and it doesnt hurt football at all)


Add Tulsa, LaTech, and S Miss. Thats your new footprint. Thats 9. Room for 3 more within that footprint.

We appreciate your insights - mod from the aac. Well said. But humility is coming your way.

You do realize that even after ESPN cuts their media money, the AAC will still be making substantially more than C-USA?

I guess you’re my personal troll

ODU96 is right. Some humble pie is about to come their way and ESPN is about to flex their muscles and Peewee 6 could implode from this.

That’s what happen when you sell all your content to 1 network and a school leaves the conference. ESPN was smart to leave a clause in there to renegotiate if a school leaves. ESPN holds all the power and leverage.

I will repeat the obvious, if ESPN was going to settle for 1/12th of the contract, this deal would have been done last year.

ESPN execs would not be calling UConn the “blue chip” asset of the AAC. It is obvious ESPN is going to renegotiate for substantially more than 1/12th.

(05-23-2020 03:14 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  I will repeat the obvious, if ESPN was going to settle for 1/12th of the contract, this deal would have been done last year.

ESPN execs would not be calling UConn the “blue chip” asset of the AAC. It is obvious ESPN is going to renegotiate for substantially more than 1/12th.

Oh I agree, I think ESPN is going to reduce the AAC deal by more than 1/12th of the current deal. But even so, the AAC will still make substantially more money compared to what C-USA is getting. So, thinking the AAC is about to "eat some humble pie" is a complete overstatement. But we will know the final numbers eventually.

Conference USA
Arkansas-Little Rock
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Louisiana Tech
New Mexico State
North Texas
Rice
Southern Miss
Texas-Arlington
Texas-El Paso
Texas-San Antonio
Texas State

Sun Belt
Alabama-Birmingham
Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Old Dominion
South Alabama
Troy
Western Kentucky

(05-23-2020 03:14 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  I will repeat the obvious, if ESPN was going to settle for 1/12th of the contract, this deal would have been done last year.

ESPN execs would not be calling UConn the “blue chip” asset of the AAC. It is obvious ESPN is going to renegotiate for substantially more than 1/12th.

Why would the AAC accept a 7 million dollar pay cut when the UConn market value has been proven to be 4.5 million? Dont forget---there is a boiler plate mediation clause in every one of these deals as well. A conference composition clause allows an adjustment merely to reflect the change in composition--its not a free license to completely rewrite the deal because a pandemic is destroying ESPN's viewership. I know your all giddy hoping for this major downward contract revision---but you are just setting yourself up to be wrong on yet another AAC TV prediction. Aresco has already stated it will be a small adjustment and that its not expected to negatively affect the revenue to each school.

Here are some Aresco comments (and nothing you have posted links to would dispute anything he's saying)---

UConn’s exit triggered a clause in the American’s media rights agreement allowing ESPN to amend the agreement if a school leaves the league, but AAC commissioner Mike Aresco cautions this is far from a renegotiation.

Aresco said most contracts of this nature contain a composition clause that deals with the overall makeup of the league and when a member school exits, then the two sides can discuss the impact.

“We’ve got a great relationship with ESPN so we’ll work it some adjustment, but I can’t go into more than that,” he said.

These discussions won’t have an impact on the amount of revenue each of the AAC members would receive, according to Aresco. That number was reportedly about $7 million annually per school.

“No school will end up getting less money than they were going to get originally,” Aresco said. “That typically won’t happen, it’s just a question of what adjustments you make and if you make financial adjustments, it still doesn’t mean anybody is going to get less.”

https://www.capitalgazette.com/os-sp-aac...story.html