ClairtonPanther
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RE: An extreme take on Pitt
(05-22-2020 05:33 AM)schmolik Wrote: It does hurt me not seeing Penn State on your list although I wonder if that's more Penn State not wanting to play Pittsburgh than the other way around (I'm pretty sure that is the case). Call me old but I really wish the two played every year. The year-end "Backyward Brawl" between Pittsburgh and West Virginia didn't become a thing until 1997, they played late in 1995 but played early in 1996 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_Brawl). Up until Penn State left for the Big Ten, they were the main November game for the Panthers, most often the finale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State..._rivalry). Every time I hear about Pittsburgh-West Virginia being the rivalry I feel insulted.
I'm not going to say I don't want Penn State in the Big Ten (of course I'm saying that because my undergraduate degree is from Illinois). But even though I grew up playing Pittsburgh I've also grown accustomed to playing Ohio State and Michigan as well. In my ideal world Penn State would be playing Ohio State, Michigan, and Pittsburgh every year (I also miss playing Notre Dame every year as well as Syracuse).
If you ever wonder why I'm not as into college football as I am into college basketball, the Northeast isn't a great place for college football. ClairtonPanther doesn't feel like he has any rivalries in football. At Penn State, we have two Eastern teams and one is one of the most irrelevant teams in college football and one of the stupidest names for a college. How can you really get up for football? Penn State and Pittsburgh don't have an annual Iron Bowl or "Big Game" to look forward to every year. We did but our schools don't want to play anymore (or at the very least PSU doesn't want to play Pittsburgh, I always hear Pittsburgh is open to playing). At Penn State, we look forward to playing Ohio State but they look forward to playing Michigan. And living in Philly, don't even get me started on Temple football (or after UConn leaves, Temple men's basketball, at least we have Villanova). I've lived here for 20 years and I don't think I've seen one Temple football game. Who in the AAC is worth paying to see live?
I didn't include PSU because I wanted to make this schedule semi realistic. Obviously I'd include PSU, but PSU doesn't want the game. Damn shame.
(05-22-2020 06:34 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: The lack of a strong, Eastern all sports conference really kills Pitt. Imagine if it had been economically viable for Penn St to anchor such a league:
Penn St
Pitt
Syracuse
BC
UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Maryland
WVU
VT
Miami
Unfortunately, circumstances and internal politics within the Big East prevented that from ever being a reality and rather than be a cohesive, united region the football programs in that part of the country got Balkanized.
To add insult to injury, when the ACC entered into its relationship with ND, Pitt lost that ever important annual game.
Pitt’s biggest draws are Penn St, ND, and WVU. Now they rarely play any of them. Annual games with Syracuse and Miami hardly make up for why was lost. Those were 4th or 5th rate rivalries at best.
It’s too bad that back in 2005, when the ACC was gutting the Big East of its football programs they didn’t have the foresight to expand past 12 to create a Northern and Southern division that could have kept some of those programs together
Yea, to for an eastern league to be viable, PSU would have to anchor. Otherwise, Pitt would need several schools like WVU: to leave the Big XII, Syracuse and BC: to leave the ACC with them to go independent. Realistically, neither is likely to happen.
(05-22-2020 06:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: Well... Pitt had such a league, but its chancellor decided to turn down the money that was offered the conference in 2011 to go with the cool kids in the ACC. You reap what you sow.
That league wasn't the same. It was just a watered down version of the Big East of the 90's. Plus, I'm not the chancellor, nor do I make such decisions. 2011 would've been the preferred time to go Independent.
(05-22-2020 07:25 AM)TerryD Wrote: (05-22-2020 01:09 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: I know that this would result in a loss of TV revenue, but perhaps worth the risk. I think Pitt should go back to independent, and use a league (like ND does) for bowl tie-ins. I miss the traditional schedule Pitt had with BC, Temple, Rutgers, Navy, WVU, Syracuse and so on. There's zero traditional rivals on our schedule. I'd rather play Navy on a yearly basis than Duke, I'd rather play Rutgers on a yearly basis than North Carolina. This is nothing personal against the likes of Virginia and Georgia Tech, but these games just don't get me excited for Saturdays. Maybe I'm wrong with this opinion. But conference realignment and the chase of money really destroyed what was left of northeastern football. Big East was a valiant effort to create a northeastern league, but wasn't meant to be. But being in a southern based league with no rivals isn't the fit I was expecting it to be. Virginia Tech is the closest thing we have to a yearly rival, and it doesn't come close to the hatred we had with WVU and likely never will. We may hate a Miami, but we're not close to being Miami's top rival either. Florida, FSU and ND are much more rivals for Miami than Pitt is. Call this buyer's remorse, I don't know. But if I'm Pitt admin, I'm closely looking to what UConn and BYU are doing.
Gimme this sample schedule:
Army
Virginia Tech
Temple
Maryland
Boston College
Rutgers
Navy
BYU
Notre Dame
Syracuse
UConn
WVU
And I'm sure many Pitt fans will disagree, and that's ok. My opinion doesn't represent that of all Pitt fans nor those that run Pitt athletics.
This ND fan says hell yeah, I would love to see Pitt as a football independent.
Notre Dame and Pitt used to play each other almost every year before this ACC stuff came about.
Wished ND and Pitt played each other about every year.
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