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RE: Campus Open in Fall
(05-12-2020 12:47 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  The US pandemic is highly regionalized in the Democratic NE part of the country(9 of the 50 States). The NE accounts for 48,996 of the 82,279 deaths. About 60%.
Coronavirus death totals(WorldometerUSA):
Vermont 53
Maine 65
New Hampshire 133
Rhode Island 444
Conn 3008
Penn 3841
Mass 5108
NJ 9341
NY 27003

Ridiculous to hold other parts of country hostage.
Of course you have other densely populated area in other states that need to treated differently from more rural areas.

You're leaving out large amounts of cases in Florida, Georgia, Texas, Ohio, Illinois, California, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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RE: Campus Open in Fall
I doubt anyone expects "as usual." He didn't say, "not at all," so semantics or word games or not precise with his language?

Summer will test crowds at the younger ages. There will be MANY willing test subjects. If that goes well and the casualties primarily stick with the much older and younger populations I think there will be a demand by students who wish to continue their ed on campuses, in front of real live educators. That clip by the Purdue Pres, he looks to believe his campus will be willing to play the stats game. Isolate the older Profs and more at risk people and provide as much in classroom education as distancing will permit. As time gets closer, be interesting to see if he's ahead of a parade or a lynch mob.

Given a choice between on-line and on-campus for the same course? Most will choose on-line but I think we'll see a huge effect on capability as those graduates hit the job market.

We'll not be just looking at fewer graduates prepared for the job market but less capable ones I imagine.
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(05-12-2020 05:05 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  I doubt anyone expects "as usual." He didn't say, "not at all," so semantics or word games or not precise with his language?

Summer will test crowds at the younger ages. There will be MANY willing test subjects. If that goes well and the casualties primarily stick with the much older and younger populations I think there will be a demand by students who wish to continue their ed on campuses, in front of real live educators. That clip by the Purdue Pres, he looks to believe his campus will be willing to play the stats game. Isolate the older Profs and more at risk people and provide as much in classroom education as distancing will permit. As time gets closer, be interesting to see if he's ahead of a parade or a lynch mob.

Given a choice between on-line and on-campus for the same course? Most will choose on-line but I think we'll see a huge effect on capability as those graduates hit the job market.

We'll not be just looking at fewer graduates prepared for the job market but less capable ones I imagine.

They can always let the students in the classroom and have the professors on closed circuit, then UT should build a couple on campus bars and let the students have the greatest on campus experience they want. Once the year is over social scientist and public health officials can use information gather to test just how little the virus effects the 20 and 30 year olds. In the mean time anyone who wants to take online glasses can. I really think on campus or just off campus night life like "the Pig" would be great for recruiting all the 19-23 year old students who are craving the on campus experience and UT could become solvent in as little as 4-6 semesters. Oh, I almost forgot...get rid of UTMC also. The key is for UT to cash in on all the alcohol sales (great revenue, better than on campus sports). We could also have all the MAC games played during the week and the Glass Bowl could have concerts and RAVES all weekend. Just kidding 03-lmfao.
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RE: Campus Open in Fall
There is actually some amount of evidence that the death total for COVID might be significantly understated thus far. Comparisons of total deaths in March/April compared to expected deaths in a typical year show, in many locations, a considerably higher increase than explainable by just the confirmed/suspected COVID deaths. Not even accounting for the fact that some other causes of death should be down (auto accidents, workplace injuries, etc.) Can't yet say for sure, and it will probably be several years before the real death toll is known, but it's likely gonna be a lot worse than many think when all is said and done.

And the hospitalization rate is pretty high, even in the younger age groups, and some fraction of people who get it and survive will be left with long term complications. Need to really hope that getting it once provides some level of immunity, but that too has yet to be proven.
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^^^^
OK, NOW I'm scared!

Not really, I'm too stupid to see consequences.

(05-12-2020 05:23 PM)utrocks84 Wrote:  They can always let the students in the classroom and have the professors on closed circuit, then UT should build a couple on campus bars and let the students have the greatest on campus experience they want. Once the year is over social scientist and public health officials can use information gather to test just how little the virus effects the 20 and 30 year olds. In the mean time anyone who wants to take online glasses can. I really think on campus or just off campus night life like "the Pig" would be great for recruiting all the 19-23 year old students who are craving the on campus experience and UT could become solvent in as little as 4-6 semesters. Oh, I almost forgot...get rid of UTMC also. The key is for UT to cash in on all the alcohol sales (great revenue, better than on campus sports). We could also have all the MAC games played during the week and the Glass Bowl could have concerts and RAVES all weekend. Just kidding 03-lmfao.

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(05-12-2020 05:29 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  There is actually some amount of evidence that the death total for COVID might be significantly understated thus far. Comparisons of total deaths in March/April compared to expected deaths in a typical year show, in many locations, a considerably higher increase than explainable by just the confirmed/suspected COVID deaths. Not even accounting for the fact that some other causes of death should be down (auto accidents, workplace injuries, etc.) Can't yet say for sure, and it will probably be several years before the real death toll is known, but it's likely gonna be a lot worse than many think when all is said and done.

And the hospitalization rate is pretty high, even in the younger age groups, and some fraction of people who get it and survive will be left with long term complications. Need to really hope that getting it once provides some level of immunity, but that too has yet to be proven.

There is science that suggests that but it is unproven because there are no long term studies.
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RE: Campus Open in Fall
(05-12-2020 04:54 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 12:47 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  The US pandemic is highly regionalized in the Democratic NE part of the country(9 of the 50 States). The NE accounts for 48,996 of the 82,279 deaths. About 60%.
Coronavirus death totals(WorldometerUSA):
Vermont 53
Maine 65
New Hampshire 133
Rhode Island 444
Conn 3008
Penn 3841
Mass 5108
NJ 9341
NY 27003

Ridiculous to hold other parts of country hostage.
Of course you have other densely populated area in other states that need to treated differently from more rural areas.

You're leaving out large amounts of cases in Florida, Georgia, Texas, Ohio, Illinois, California, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Look at the mortality rates. Know people in NJ that tested positive and recovered.They were not in the high risk groups.
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RE: Campus Open in Fall
(05-12-2020 04:30 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 02:54 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 02:33 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 01:18 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 12:47 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  The US pandemic is highly regionalized in the Democratic NE part of the country(9 of the 50 States). The NE accounts for 48,996 of the 82,279 deaths. About 60%.
Coronavirus death totals(WorldometerUSA):
Vermont 53
Maine 65
New Hampshire 133
Rhode Island 444
Conn 3008
Penn 3841
Mass 5108
NJ 9341
NY 27003

Ridiculous to hold other parts of country hostage.
Of course you have other densely populated area in other states that need to treated differently from more rural areas.

I agree to some extent...the higher population density areas are getting hit the hardest obviously, so it would stand to reason that more spread out or less populated areas could open with smaller risk to exposure. With that being said, I don't we should be having 100,000 person gatherings in one building any time soon.

At least not at any Senior Citizen Centers or Stones Concerts.

Same thing if I get your drift.

There's ALWAYs politics. It's nice we can share viewpoints with each other here, being in different places, seeing different things. On other boards we'd have to dumb down. 04-cheers

Dr. Anthony Fauci said today to a senate committee, that expecting colleges to have students on campus as usual this fall is "a bit of a bridge too far".

Fauci also downplayed the coronavirus as late as
February 18. He previously also thanked China for its
transparency and cooperation.
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RE: Campus Open in Fall
(05-12-2020 06:22 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 04:30 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 02:54 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 02:33 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 01:18 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I agree to some extent...the higher population density areas are getting hit the hardest obviously, so it would stand to reason that more spread out or less populated areas could open with smaller risk to exposure. With that being said, I don't we should be having 100,000 person gatherings in one building any time soon.

At least not at any Senior Citizen Centers or Stones Concerts.

Same thing if I get your drift.

There's ALWAYs politics. It's nice we can share viewpoints with each other here, being in different places, seeing different things. On other boards we'd have to dumb down. 04-cheers

Dr. Anthony Fauci said today to a senate committee, that expecting colleges to have students on campus as usual this fall is "a bit of a bridge too far".

Fauci also downplayed the coronavirus as late as
February 18. He previously also thanked China for its
transparency and cooperation.

as fast as this thing has gone, Feb 18 is a 100 years ago. Seems that way to me. Anyone with any sense of open mind has adjusted thinking in some way since then.
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RE: Campus Open in Fall
(05-12-2020 06:28 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 06:22 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 04:30 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 02:54 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 02:33 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  At least not at any Senior Citizen Centers or Stones Concerts.

Same thing if I get your drift.

There's ALWAYs politics. It's nice we can share viewpoints with each other here, being in different places, seeing different things. On other boards we'd have to dumb down. 04-cheers

Dr. Anthony Fauci said today to a senate committee, that expecting colleges to have students on campus as usual this fall is "a bit of a bridge too far".

Fauci also downplayed the coronavirus as late as
February 18. He previously also thanked China for its
transparency and cooperation.

as fast as this thing has gone, Feb 18 is a 100 years ago. Seems that way to me. Anyone with any sense of open mind has adjusted thinking in some way since then.

As Fauci said he's not an economy guy.
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lol
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An epidemiologist is qualified to explain medical risks to us, but he is not qualified to tell us how to weigh the various risks and benefits of staying at home vs. going back out into the world. That we must do for ourselves (or, in some cases, through our elected representatives).
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So, the University of California system says they are unlikely to reopen campuses for the fall semester (~770,000 students). I’d take that as a bad sign that we won’t likely see a football season either.
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(05-13-2020 09:47 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  So, the University of California system says they are unlikely to reopen campuses for the fall semester (~770,000 students). I’d take that as a bad sign that we won’t likely see a football season either.

Actually it was the Cal State system (Cal State Fullerton...), not the U Cal System (UCLA, Berkley...). May not make any difference long term.
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(05-13-2020 09:58 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(05-13-2020 09:47 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  So, the University of California system says they are unlikely to reopen campuses for the fall semester (~770,000 students). I’d take that as a bad sign that we won’t likely see a football season either.

Actually it was the Cal State system (Cal State Fullerton...), not the U Cal System (UCLA, Berkley...). May not make any difference long term.

Makes certain that at least one of our games isn't happening this year (San Diego State).
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RE: Campus Open in Fall
(05-12-2020 04:54 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(05-12-2020 12:47 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  The US pandemic is highly regionalized in the Democratic NE part of the country(9 of the 50 States). The NE accounts for 48,996 of the 82,279 deaths. About 60%.
Coronavirus death totals(WorldometerUSA):
Vermont 53
Maine 65
New Hampshire 133
Rhode Island 444
Conn 3008
Penn 3841
Mass 5108
NJ 9341
NY 27003

Ridiculous to hold other parts of country hostage.
Of course you have other densely populated area in other states that need to treated differently from more rural areas.

You're leaving out large amounts of cases in Florida, Georgia, Texas, Ohio, Illinois, California, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

The death rate in Florida right now is 8 out of every 100,000 people. The death rate in NY is 18 times higher then that. In total we are at about 1800 deaths for a state with 22 Million people. That death rate ranks Florida at #25 in the country. Most of that was in Miami, Dade and Broward county which is essentially the sixth borough of NY.
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As to UT (or BGSU for that matter) it really doesn't matter right now what they are saying publicly about reopening and having classes and students (including athletes) on campus in September as ultimately they don't get to make that decision. By late June or early July the Governor and Ohio Department of Higher Education will announce for all 2 and 4 yr institutions in Ohio under what conditions they can function in for fall term-that includes 5 possible scenarios that have range of protections and protocols for on campus operations and instruction that arrange from DL only, to mix of DL with some in person classes and similar restrictions for on campus housing. And to be clear if the state does not allow students on campus, in dorms and in classes during the fall term, there will be no varsity sports.
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(05-13-2020 05:46 AM)Dwight Wrote:  An epidemiologist is qualified to explain medical risks to us, but he is not qualified to tell us how to weigh the various risks and benefits of staying at home vs. going back out into the world. That we must do for ourselves (or, in some cases, through our elected representatives).

Isn't that what Dr Fauci told Rand Paul yesterday. He makes suggestions based on science, and other people make decisions on the economy and when things open. It's up to the BT and others in UT administration to make these decisions. I don't think anybody said ask the epidemiologist or public health official whether the school should be open. But, if I'm on the BT, I sure the hell want to know some science and not just look at the football schedule and bottom line. If they fully open campus they are accepting some risk, maybe not much, but some.
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(05-13-2020 12:11 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  As to UT (or BGSU for that matter) it really doesn't matter right now what they are saying publicly about reopening and having classes and students (including athletes) on campus in September as ultimately they don't get to make that decision. By late June or early July the Governor and Ohio Department of Higher Education will announce for all 2 and 4 yr institutions in Ohio under what conditions they can function in for fall term-that includes 5 possible scenarios that have range of protections and protocols for on campus operations and instruction that arrange from DL only, to mix of DL with some in person classes and similar restrictions for on campus housing. And to be clear if the state does not allow students on campus, in dorms and in classes during the fall term, there will be no varsity sports.

Well, I guess it's a good sign DeWine renewed his 2020 OSU football season tickets then.
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RE: Campus Open in Fall
(05-13-2020 12:11 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  As to UT (or BGSU for that matter) it really doesn't matter right now what they are saying publicly about reopening and having classes and students (including athletes) on campus in September as ultimately they don't get to make that decision. By late June or early July the Governor and Ohio Department of Higher Education will announce for all 2 and 4 yr institutions in Ohio under what conditions they can function in for fall term-that includes 5 possible scenarios that have range of protections and protocols for on campus operations and instruction that arrange from DL only, to mix of DL with some in person classes and similar restrictions for on campus housing. And to be clear if the state does not allow students on campus, in dorms and in classes during the fall term, there will be no varsity sports.

DL only? Why wouldn’t they allow offensive linemen as well? I’m willing to risk our LBs, too. They haven’t done much lately. Let’s keep the the QBs and other skill positions out for awhile, though.
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