RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-08-2020 04:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.
To blame the victim here is gross.
What's gross and obscene is seeing it through race. Reverse black and white in your example. You dont think that doesnt happen. As long as it's about race then we will never move past race.
And yes, you dont try to take a gun from an armed person pointing it at you ever. Period. I don't care what color you are. Dont. Seriously. I like you :)
2 white guys profiled a jogging black man as a threatening criminal, and deemed him worthy of stopping at gun point. Race is very at play here. Your head is in the sand or in denial.
How do you know he wasn't the same guy who was in the videos breaking into houses?
RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-08-2020 07:32 PM)bullet Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.
To blame the victim here is gross.
What's gross and obscene is seeing it through race. Reverse black and white in your example. You dont think that doesnt happen. As long as it's about race then we will never move past race.
And yes, you dont try to take a gun from an armed person pointing it at you ever. Period. I don't care what color you are. Dont. Seriously. I like you :)
2 white guys profiled a jogging black man as a threatening criminal, and deemed him worthy of stopping at gun point. Race is very at play here. Your head is in the sand or in denial.
How do you know he wasn't the same guy who was in the videos breaking into houses?
Honestly that doesnt matter.
Thinking he is the guy (probable cause) doesn't give you the right to stop him
You must have immediate knowledge of a felony to be able to apply the citizen arrest protection
RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-08-2020 07:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 07:32 PM)bullet Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.
To blame the victim here is gross.
What's gross and obscene is seeing it through race. Reverse black and white in your example. You dont think that doesnt happen. As long as it's about race then we will never move past race.
And yes, you dont try to take a gun from an armed person pointing it at you ever. Period. I don't care what color you are. Dont. Seriously. I like you :)
2 white guys profiled a jogging black man as a threatening criminal, and deemed him worthy of stopping at gun point. Race is very at play here. Your head is in the sand or in denial.
How do you know he wasn't the same guy who was in the videos breaking into houses?
Honestly that doesnt matter.
Thinking he is the guy (probable cause) doesn't give you the right to stop him
You must have immediate knowledge of a felony to be able to apply the citizen arrest protection
I was responding to JD. He called it racial profiling. Its not racial profiling if they got the right guy.
The family's legal position - "The decision to rely on the citizen's arrest statute is really a recent invention. Prior to that, they just simply said it was self-defense," the Arbery family attorney added. "Ahmaud stopped by a house that was under construction and he looked through the window. We don't know if that happened or not, but even if that did happen, that is not a felony that would invoke the citizen's arrest statute."
This article also mentions the house under construction and how the owner of that house stated that $2500 in fishing tackle from the garage was stolen from from the site. No police report was filed for this. The owner of the house also mentioned video of what I believe is the victim near the house under construction.
Per the article:
The man walked by the garage and down to a dock on the Little Satilla River, the motion-triggered cameras show, according to the homeowner. Asked whether they showed the man stealing or committing any other crime, he said they show him "trespassing."
He declined to share them with CNN and spoke on the condition of anonymity because he says he's been receiving death threats.
That is a trap. Just like Trayvon Martin.
Have you watched any of the 2 videos I posted?
The family's legal position - "The decision to rely on the citizen's arrest statute is really a recent invention. Prior to that, they just simply said it was self-defense," the Arbery family attorney added. "Ahmaud stopped by a house that was under construction and he looked through the window. We don't know if that happened or not, but even if that did happen, that is not a felony that would invoke the citizen's arrest statute."
This article also mentions the house under construction and how the owner of that house stated that $2500 in fishing tackle from the garage was stolen from from the site. No police report was filed for this. The owner of the house also mentioned video of what I believe is the victim near the house under construction.
Per the article:
The man walked by the garage and down to a dock on the Little Satilla River, the motion-triggered cameras show, according to the homeowner. Asked whether they showed the man stealing or committing any other crime, he said they show him "trespassing."
He declined to share them with CNN and spoke on the condition of anonymity because he says he's been receiving death threats.
That is a trap. Just like Trayvon Martin.
Have you watched any of the 2 videos I posted?
I'll be honest I have not.
As I stated the crux of the issue at hand is whether or not they had the right as citizens to try and detain Aubrey.
His past and his reasoning for being there are not relevant
If you want to focus on the issues and eliminate the outside voices that is where the focus should lie
The family's legal position - "The decision to rely on the citizen's arrest statute is really a recent invention. Prior to that, they just simply said it was self-defense," the Arbery family attorney added. "Ahmaud stopped by a house that was under construction and he looked through the window. We don't know if that happened or not, but even if that did happen, that is not a felony that would invoke the citizen's arrest statute."
This article also mentions the house under construction and how the owner of that house stated that $2500 in fishing tackle from the garage was stolen from from the site. No police report was filed for this. The owner of the house also mentioned video of what I believe is the victim near the house under construction.
Per the article:
The man walked by the garage and down to a dock on the Little Satilla River, the motion-triggered cameras show, according to the homeowner. Asked whether they showed the man stealing or committing any other crime, he said they show him "trespassing."
He declined to share them with CNN and spoke on the condition of anonymity because he says he's been receiving death threats.
That is a trap. Just like Trayvon Martin.
Have you watched any of the 2 videos I posted?
I'll be honest I have not.
As I stated the crux of the issue at hand is whether or not they had the right as citizens to try and detain Aubrey.
His past and his reasoning for being there are not relevant
If you want to focus on the issues and eliminate the outside voices that is where the focus should lie
The family's legal position - "The decision to rely on the citizen's arrest statute is really a recent invention. Prior to that, they just simply said it was self-defense," the Arbery family attorney added. "Ahmaud stopped by a house that was under construction and he looked through the window. We don't know if that happened or not, but even if that did happen, that is not a felony that would invoke the citizen's arrest statute."
This article also mentions the house under construction and how the owner of that house stated that $2500 in fishing tackle from the garage was stolen from from the site. No police report was filed for this. The owner of the house also mentioned video of what I believe is the victim near the house under construction.
Per the article:
The man walked by the garage and down to a dock on the Little Satilla River, the motion-triggered cameras show, according to the homeowner. Asked whether they showed the man stealing or committing any other crime, he said they show him "trespassing."
He declined to share them with CNN and spoke on the condition of anonymity because he says he's been receiving death threats.
That is a trap. Just like Trayvon Martin.
Have you watched any of the 2 videos I posted?
I'll be honest I have not.
As I stated the crux of the issue at hand is whether or not they had the right as citizens to try and detain Aubrey.
His past and his reasoning for being there are not relevant
If you want to focus on the issues and eliminate the outside voices that is where the focus should lie
But you are doing the opposite of that.
How so?
I have done my best to cite facts with all my posts and to include the citations
The two shooters are the ones claiming citizen arrest. I believe I cited the requirements for that to apply
Based on the evidence presented so far, what has been presented to show they had immediate knowledge a felony had been committed?
I will gladly reverse my position if evidence to justify the detainment is presented
(This post was last modified: 05-08-2020 09:54 PM by solohawks.)
The family's legal position - "The decision to rely on the citizen's arrest statute is really a recent invention. Prior to that, they just simply said it was self-defense," the Arbery family attorney added. "Ahmaud stopped by a house that was under construction and he looked through the window. We don't know if that happened or not, but even if that did happen, that is not a felony that would invoke the citizen's arrest statute."
This article also mentions the house under construction and how the owner of that house stated that $2500 in fishing tackle from the garage was stolen from from the site. No police report was filed for this. The owner of the house also mentioned video of what I believe is the victim near the house under construction.
Per the article:
The man walked by the garage and down to a dock on the Little Satilla River, the motion-triggered cameras show, according to the homeowner. Asked whether they showed the man stealing or committing any other crime, he said they show him "trespassing."
He declined to share them with CNN and spoke on the condition of anonymity because he says he's been receiving death threats.
That is a trap. Just like Trayvon Martin.
Have you watched any of the 2 videos I posted?
I'll be honest I have not.
As I stated the crux of the issue at hand is whether or not they had the right as citizens to try and detain Aubrey.
His past and his reasoning for being there are not relevant
If you want to focus on the issues and eliminate the outside voices that is where the focus should lie
But you are doing the opposite of that.
How so?
I have done my best to cite facts with all my posts and to include the citations
The two shooters are the ones claiming citizen arrest. I believe I cited the requirements for that to apply
Based on the evidence presented so far, what has been presented to show they had immediate knowledge a felony had been committed?
I will gladly reverse my position if evidence to justify the detainment is presented
There are no facts, and no evidence has been presented, no discovery, no testimony.
Both men were denied bail. Convicted murders, rapists have been released from jail because of CV19. You are confusing media reports as facts and evidence, why?
RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-08-2020 09:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 08:17 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: That is a trap. Just like Trayvon Martin.
Have you watched any of the 2 videos I posted?
I'll be honest I have not.
As I stated the crux of the issue at hand is whether or not they had the right as citizens to try and detain Aubrey.
His past and his reasoning for being there are not relevant
If you want to focus on the issues and eliminate the outside voices that is where the focus should lie
But you are doing the opposite of that.
How so?
I have done my best to cite facts with all my posts and to include the citations
The two shooters are the ones claiming citizen arrest. I believe I cited the requirements for that to apply
Based on the evidence presented so far, what has been presented to show they had immediate knowledge a felony had been committed?
I will gladly reverse my position if evidence to justify the detainment is presented
There are no facts, and no evidence has been presented, no discovery, no testimony.
Both men were denied bail. Convicted murders, rapists have been released from jail because of CV19. You are confusing media reports as facts and evidence, why?
I went mostly by the police report and the letter from DA #2 which is where the basis for the 2 men not being charged was found.
Of course the two men deserve a trial, but you seem to be forgetting, it took a leaked video to get a trial
Also what is happening to whatever other convicts you are sighting isnt relevant to whether or not these men were performing a lawful citizens arrest. That is an outside voice
(This post was last modified: 05-08-2020 10:08 PM by solohawks.)
RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-08-2020 10:05 PM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:42 PM)solohawks Wrote: I'll be honest I have not.
As I stated the crux of the issue at hand is whether or not they had the right as citizens to try and detain Aubrey.
His past and his reasoning for being there are not relevant
If you want to focus on the issues and eliminate the outside voices that is where the focus should lie
But you are doing the opposite of that.
How so?
I have done my best to cite facts with all my posts and to include the citations
The two shooters are the ones claiming citizen arrest. I believe I cited the requirements for that to apply
Based on the evidence presented so far, what has been presented to show they had immediate knowledge a felony had been committed?
I will gladly reverse my position if evidence to justify the detainment is presented
There are no facts, and no evidence has been presented, no discovery, no testimony.
Both men were denied bail. Convicted murders, rapists have been released from jail because of CV19. You are confusing media reports as facts and evidence, why?
I went mostly by the police report and the letter from DA #2 which is where the basis for the 2 men not being charged was found.
Of course the two men deserve a trial, but you seem to be forgetting, it took a leaked video to get a trial
Also what is happening to whatever other convicts you are sighting isnt relevant to whether or not these men were performing a lawful citizens arrest. That is an outside voice
That is reasonable doubt. Oh YOU are an outside voice. Time maybe be quiet?
RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-08-2020 10:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(05-08-2020 10:05 PM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: But you are doing the opposite of that.
How so?
I have done my best to cite facts with all my posts and to include the citations
The two shooters are the ones claiming citizen arrest. I believe I cited the requirements for that to apply
Based on the evidence presented so far, what has been presented to show they had immediate knowledge a felony had been committed?
I will gladly reverse my position if evidence to justify the detainment is presented
There are no facts, and no evidence has been presented, no discovery, no testimony.
Both men were denied bail. Convicted murders, rapists have been released from jail because of CV19. You are confusing media reports as facts and evidence, why?
I went mostly by the police report and the letter from DA #2 which is where the basis for the 2 men not being charged was found.
Of course the two men deserve a trial, but you seem to be forgetting, it took a leaked video to get a trial
Also what is happening to whatever other convicts you are sighting isnt relevant to whether or not these men were performing a lawful citizens arrest. That is an outside voice
That is reasonable doubt. Oh YOU are an outside voice. Time maybe be quiet?
Why? Because you don't like my analysis of what had been presented so far and how it pertains to Georgia law?
Outside voices...your first post in this thread below, which has no relevance to the facts of this case
(05-06-2020 09:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: You do realize that a black murdered a white today. Do I have to search for it?
(This post was last modified: 05-09-2020 05:50 AM by solohawks.)
RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-08-2020 07:32 PM)bullet Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.
To blame the victim here is gross.
What's gross and obscene is seeing it through race. Reverse black and white in your example. You dont think that doesnt happen. As long as it's about race then we will never move past race.
And yes, you dont try to take a gun from an armed person pointing it at you ever. Period. I don't care what color you are. Dont. Seriously. I like you :)
2 white guys profiled a jogging black man as a threatening criminal, and deemed him worthy of stopping at gun point. Race is very at play here. Your head is in the sand or in denial.
How do you know he wasn't the same guy who was in the videos breaking into houses?
Uh, show me these videos because according to the police there, there have been no reports of any break-ins in that area. So that is an entirely false narrative.
RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-09-2020 12:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote:
(05-08-2020 07:32 PM)bullet Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:29 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Anyone can decry all they want about what he should or should not have done... but until you are a black man, in America, jogging through a neighborhood, and 2 white men stop you, guns blazing, out of nowhere, you have no idea how one would or should react.
To blame the victim here is gross.
What's gross and obscene is seeing it through race. Reverse black and white in your example. You dont think that doesnt happen. As long as it's about race then we will never move past race.
And yes, you dont try to take a gun from an armed person pointing it at you ever. Period. I don't care what color you are. Dont. Seriously. I like you :)
2 white guys profiled a jogging black man as a threatening criminal, and deemed him worthy of stopping at gun point. Race is very at play here. Your head is in the sand or in denial.
How do you know he wasn't the same guy who was in the videos breaking into houses?
Uh, show me these videos because according to the police there, there have been no reports of any break-ins in that area. So that is an entirely false narrative.
The videos haven’t been released and there haven’t been police reports in the free weeks preceding the incident. The guy who owns the house under construction said that he saw him on video stealing $2500 in tackle a bit before, but that wasn’t reported to police either.
Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-09-2020 01:39 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:
(05-09-2020 12:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote:
(05-08-2020 07:32 PM)bullet Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:
(05-08-2020 04:40 PM)shere khan Wrote: What's gross and obscene is seeing it through race. Reverse black and white in your example. You dont think that doesnt happen. As long as it's about race then we will never move past race.
And yes, you dont try to take a gun from an armed person pointing it at you ever. Period. I don't care what color you are. Dont. Seriously. I like you :)
2 white guys profiled a jogging black man as a threatening criminal, and deemed him worthy of stopping at gun point. Race is very at play here. Your head is in the sand or in denial.
How do you know he wasn't the same guy who was in the videos breaking into houses?
Uh, show me these videos because according to the police there, there have been no reports of any break-ins in that area. So that is an entirely false narrative.
The videos haven’t been released and there haven’t been police reports in the free weeks preceding the incident. The guy who owns the house under construction said that he saw him on video stealing $2500 in tackle a bit before, but that wasn’t reported to police either.
Probably because whoever has those videos isn’t a prosecution lawyer without care for due process and how did Obama put it... “rule of law”?
RE: Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Killed while Jogging in Georgia
(05-09-2020 05:50 AM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 10:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(05-08-2020 10:05 PM)solohawks Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(05-08-2020 09:51 PM)solohawks Wrote: How so?
I have done my best to cite facts with all my posts and to include the citations
The two shooters are the ones claiming citizen arrest. I believe I cited the requirements for that to apply
Based on the evidence presented so far, what has been presented to show they had immediate knowledge a felony had been committed?
I will gladly reverse my position if evidence to justify the detainment is presented
There are no facts, and no evidence has been presented, no discovery, no testimony.
Both men were denied bail. Convicted murders, rapists have been released from jail because of CV19. You are confusing media reports as facts and evidence, why?
I went mostly by the police report and the letter from DA #2 which is where the basis for the 2 men not being charged was found.
Of course the two men deserve a trial, but you seem to be forgetting, it took a leaked video to get a trial
Also what is happening to whatever other convicts you are sighting isnt relevant to whether or not these men were performing a lawful citizens arrest. That is an outside voice
That is reasonable doubt. Oh YOU are an outside voice. Time maybe be quiet?
Why? Because you don't like my analysis of what had been presented so far and how it pertains to Georgia law?
Outside voices...your first post in this thread below, which has no relevance to the facts of this case
(05-06-2020 09:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: You do realize that a black murdered a white today. Do I have to search for it?
The video was leaked by a lawyer representing the driver and or the other 2 guys to exonerate them. It shows exactly what they described to the police. I guarantphuckingtee you that dude was not out "jogging".
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