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Brannen's recruiting
We still need to wait and see the results, but so far I would grade Brannen's recruiting a pretty high grade all things considered. He is not in a position to pluck any player he wants but has carefully brought in some really good pieces that look to fit well together. Those who have lamented Cronin's strategy, are pleased as we are seeing the type of guys fans have been wanting to get forna long time, that being dudes who can get buckets and make shots. The next few years backcourt may end up being really special.

DeJulius and Rap, are two prime examples of players who would have never have been even considered at this time of the year. Very happy with the results this past week. Go Bearcats!
 
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ehhhhh, has he considered his opponents at all? The AAC is full of teams either built in the image of Cronin's Bearcats or teams built to beat Cronin's Bearcats. it's this roster ready to take down ball-dominant guards, tough/borderline dirty defense, and grown men?
 
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He did pretty well with some guys who weren’t necessarily designed for his style of play. I am firmly in the optimistic category after the spring recruiting results.
 
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(04-16-2020 07:26 PM)blackcattitude Wrote:  ehhhhh, has he considered his opponents at all? The AAC is full of teams either built in the image of Cronin's Bearcats or teams built to beat Cronin's Bearcats. it's this roster ready to take down ball-dominant guards, tough/borderline dirty defense, and grown men?

Well he just won the conference last year in a injury riddled transition year. I guess you are implying that his players are soft? I think that is a bad assumption on your part. Plus, having guys that can shoot and put the ball on the floor will open up the lanes and not allow teams like Houston to mash up the paint.
 
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(04-16-2020 07:26 PM)blackcattitude Wrote:  ehhhhh, has he considered his opponents at all? The AAC is full of teams either built in the image of Cronin's Bearcats or teams built to beat Cronin's Bearcats. it's this roster ready to take down ball-dominant guards, tough/borderline dirty defense, and grown men?

Personally, I'm a bit more focused on whether this team is ready to beat the field in the NCAA tournament. I'd argue the style is better suited for that, though we will need to wait and see.

And yes, I understand we have to win in the AAC to make the tournament, but I just checked, and we won the league in his only season here with a roster really good up top, but patched together with pins and glue on the bottom.
 
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now i guess the league will just have to adjust to jb
 
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but my lord can that houston game never happen again
 
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(04-16-2020 07:26 PM)blackcattitude Wrote:  ehhhhh, has he considered his opponents at all? The AAC is full of teams either built in the image of Cronin's Bearcats or teams built to beat Cronin's Bearcats. it's this roster ready to take down ball-dominant guards, tough/borderline dirty defense, and grown men?

If the AAC is in fact built to stop Cronin’s Bearcats, wouldn’t it be a good thing that we have now pivoted to a different style that they aren’t built to beat?

In the end, the majority of these players are still solid athletes at least so the defense can still be taught, although it’s a different type of defense. They seem to be better equipped to score and win those types of games as well though.
 
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(04-16-2020 08:56 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Personally, I'm a bit more focused on whether this team is ready to beat the field in the NCAA tournament. I'd argue the style is better suited for that, though we will need to wait and see.

I see people say stuff like this all the time, but I don't understand what it means exactly. Could you elaborate, preferably with data?
 
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I'm not sure I understand the criticism or skepticism for a coach that has been on the payroll for about one year. Huggs didn't make his deep NCAA run until year 3 and Mick, well....

I'm pretty stoked for the recruiting haul going in to year 2 of the CJB regime. Give him proper time and then evaluate the results...
 
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(04-16-2020 10:16 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(04-16-2020 08:56 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Personally, I'm a bit more focused on whether this team is ready to beat the field in the NCAA tournament. I'd argue the style is better suited for that, though we will need to wait and see.

I see people say stuff like this all the time, but I don't understand what it means exactly. Could you elaborate, preferably with data?

I don’t necessarily have hard data to back it up, but I think the general argument was that Although Mick’s teams played very good defense and showed very well in the regular season, his teams lacked the offensive punch to outlast a scoring duel in the ncaa where you face good team after good team.

I believe Mark showed the data in kenpom where you had to be top 25 or so in both adj D and adj O to win a championship. Mick’s teams where often highly ranked in D but could never really break through on the offensive side of the ball.

The general feeling is that Mick had hit a wall here. After one season, it appears that JB’s approach is going to field a more balanced style that could potentially deliver a team that performs quite well in both categories.

Remains to be seen, but looks promising.
 
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MC's recruiting hit a wall his last two seasons. If MC were to still be here the starting lineup this year would include Trevor Moore, Logan Johnson (he can jump but not good enough to get significant minutes at St. Mary's), Laquill Hardnett (in the second rotation at Buffalo), Samari Curtis (not even going to comment), Eli Nsoseme and Keith Williams. I am sure we would have some other guys on the roster from the past two years, most of whom would have been developmental guys who would have sat behind the guys ahead of them.

It was time for him and the school to go their separate ways. Its sort of like a bad marriage/relationship-- sometimes both parties hit a rut being together so long and it is possible they both can wind up in a better place after they move on from one another.
 
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I want to stress that I've never believed and I think the evidence shows style doesn't really play a factor in success. The teams that are very good to elite on both ends advance the most on march but those are largely the best teams. Those teams play a variety of styles. I wouldn't call mick's teams not being good enough offensively a style issue just a reality. Those teams didn't advance because largely they weren't top 16 type teams and had some bad luck (eventually even as a Lowe seed you'll advance).

Hopefully we'll see better offense without a defensive dropoff. That is the kind of team that is likely to make a run.
 
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Recruiting is like concrete work. You cannot tell if it is good for several years.
 
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Brannen's recruiting has been outstanding.

I think people are getting a bit over their skis on thinking these freshmen will contribute significantly in year 1 though. I haven't seen much tape of any of them, but I would expect them to have years like MAW or Harvey had. The good news is that Brannen's first two freshman classes have several guys who should be very nice upperclassmen.

DeJulius looks fantastic, and Ivanauskas should be good. It will be interesting to see how they gel and how the returning players progress, given that teams may not be able to practice for a while.
 
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(04-17-2020 08:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  Brannen's recruiting has been outstanding.

I think people are getting a bit over their skis on thinking these freshmen will contribute significantly in year 1 though. I haven't seen much tape of any of them, but I would expect them to have years like MAW or Harvey had. The good news is that Brannen's first two freshman classes have several guys who should be very nice upperclassmen.

DeJulius looks fantastic, and Ivanauskas should be good. It will be interesting to see how they gel and how the returning players progress, given that teams may not be able to practice for a while.

I agree, even the Sophomores we haven't seen enough out of to know how good they will be. We will be deep on the bench, but I'm not sure our starters will be that good.

We are relying on a lot of pieces that have potential, but are unproven. DeJulius looks good, but he has never been a starter. The jump in competition level will be a challenge for Rap. Williams (assuming he comes back) needs to learn to be the team leader and the go to guy. Diarra needs to continue to play like he did at the end of the season. Vogt needs to give it his all at defense and rebounding (his minutes will probably be reduced, which may help him). MAW looked good at times, but only at times.

The rest of the guys we haven't seen enough from to be confident they will contribute. We are going to rely a lot on unproven freshmen and sophomores for minutes. Harvey seems to be the best bet.

Adding Rap and Dejulius definitely improves us, but I still don't see us as a tournament team. 21-22 is when it looks like we should start to hit our stride. Next year is about developing players and hopefully sneaking our way in to the tournament.
 
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Dan,

DeJulius averaged 7/2/1 in the most difficult conference in the country last year while playing behind one of the best PGs in the country who also happened to average over 33mpg...thus he was not the dominant ball handler (despite having the ability) when he was out there, I think he'll be fine with increased volume.

Rap is someone I'd agree with you on...he'll have a learning curve, but I think we'll still see him perform relatively well (7-10 ppg with 5-8 rpg).

The freshmen clearly are going to have to adjust, but Eason looks like a damn steal at the moment if you watch his film. And to say MAW didn't have an impact is a little reductionist...he started 2/3rds of the games last year and had two double digit scoring games in BIG times of need.
 
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Well, we will see soon enough if Brannen is getting the right guys. We will also see soon enough if he can also translate recruiting into on court success.

Personally, I'm a little iffy on these Madsen guys and Zach Harvey didn't exactly set the world on fire last year, but who knows. Nobody did backflips when Huggins signed Kenyon either.

MAW looks legit and I think Davenport has the potential to blossom in a Bobby Brannen-like manner.

If it doesn't work out then I suspect he'll take the Tuberville route off campus sooner than later.

If he shows us he knows what he wants in recruiting and then makes it work on the court... then knock yourself out, big fella.
 
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(04-17-2020 09:26 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 08:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  Brannen's recruiting has been outstanding.

I think people are getting a bit over their skis on thinking these freshmen will contribute significantly in year 1 though. I haven't seen much tape of any of them, but I would expect them to have years like MAW or Harvey had. The good news is that Brannen's first two freshman classes have several guys who should be very nice upperclassmen.

DeJulius looks fantastic, and Ivanauskas should be good. It will be interesting to see how they gel and how the returning players progress, given that teams may not be able to practice for a while.

I agree, even the Sophomores we haven't seen enough out of to know how good they will be. We will be deep on the bench, but I'm not sure our starters will be that good.

We are relying on a lot of pieces that have potential, but are unproven. DeJulius looks good, but he has never been a starter. The jump in competition level will be a challenge for Rap. Williams (assuming he comes back) needs to learn to be the team leader and the go to guy. Diarra needs to continue to play like he did at the end of the season. Vogt needs to give it his all at defense and rebounding (his minutes will probably be reduced, which may help him). MAW looked good at times, but only at times.

The rest of the guys we haven't seen enough from to be confident they will contribute. We are going to rely a lot on unproven freshmen and sophomores for minutes. Harvey seems to be the best bet.

Adding Rap and Dejulius definitely improves us, but I still don't see us as a tournament team. 21-22 is when it looks like we should start to hit our stride. Next year is about developing players and hopefully sneaking our way in to the tournament.

We got MAW because Samari Curtis decommitted after Mick left. You say MAW looked good at times -- how good did Samari Curtis look his freshman year? And I don't get the concern with DeJulius. Dude played in the best conference in the country and played 21 minutes per game. He is proven. Doesn't mean he's going to be a star, but he's definitely not unproven. Rap moving up to a higher level of competition is a concern, but lest we forget he dropped 21 and 9 on us last season.

I know this much -- I'll take this roster over whatever Mick would have put together sight unseen.
 
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(04-17-2020 08:05 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Recruiting is like concrete work. You cannot tell if it is good for several years.

Unless it is really bad, and then you can tell right away.
 
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