https://archive.org/details/Sports-Illus...1962-09-24

Special edition. Cover is Ole Miss cheerleaders in Rebel costumes hoisting Confederate flags.

(03-22-2020 01:46 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  https://archive.org/details/Sports-Illus...1962-09-24

Special edition. Cover is Ole Miss cheerleaders in Rebel costumes hoisting Confederate flags.

Boy, that certainly wouldn't fly today, and with good reason.

College football stuff doesn’t start till page 38, though many interesting ads prior.

“The game means so many different things to so many different people. In the South it may be rebel songs and pretty coeds parading under Confederate flags at an Ole Miss game. In the midwest it may be Woody Hayes and the high, high pressure of Ohio State, or may be the very low-pressure - but still intense - game played at Northfield, Minn. between crosstown rivals Carleton and St. Olaf.”

Reporter asks coach “Why sir are you changing from the proven single wing to the T formation?”

UCLA coach “In a decade or so these new state colleges - Los Angeles, Valley State, and the like - are going to be heard from. They could be the UCLA of the 70s.”

“Oregon and Oregon State, at present unwanted in the AAWU, will go their independent way until such time as the conference relents and invites them back.”

“Heretofore, the best football in the region was inevitably played on the coastal slope, but with the newly formed Western Athletic Conference competing for players, those days are numbered.”

“The West’s Top Five:
1. Washington
2. Oregon
3. Utah State
4. USC
5. Wyoming”

“The rest of the Mid-American Conference has run away and left poor Marshall. The Big Green has sought consolation in picking on smaller schools like Morehead and Eastern Kentucky - still with little success. Last year Morehead held Marshall scoreless. This season the school is taking no chances, scheduling Findlay and Butler.”

“Marshall is out of its depth. Big Green vs Bowling Green is a mismatch to rival Keokuk vs the N.Y. Yankees.”

“Royal anticipates no startling innovations in 1962 like the “flip-flop” offense he introduced in 1961 (In the flip-flop, the same guard, tackle and end line up on the right side for wing right and on the left side for wing left).”

“Arizona, Arizona State and New Mexico, charter members of the new Western Athletic Conference, are major football forces who are reorienting themselves away from Texas and the old Border Conference geography.”

William&Mary hosted both Virginia & Virginia Tech.

VPI & VMI were playing Thanksgiving in Roanoke.

UTEP was Texas Western.

There was a “Montana State U” and “Montana State College”

Colorado was categorized in “The Midwest” section

Cincinnati’s schedule:
Dayton
Indiana
Wichita
N Texas
Richmond
Tulsa
Detroit
Miami (OH)
Xavier
Houston

Teams included with the Big Boys:
- Pacific
- Los Angeles State
- George Washington
- Citadel
- Davidson
- Richmond
- VMI
- William&Mary
- Detroit
- Dayton
- Xavier
- Wichita
- Abilene Christian
- Hardin Simmons
- McMurry
- Trinity (TX)
- West Texas A&M
- Amherst
- Brown
- Boston University
- Bucknell
- Colgate
- Columbia
- Cornell
- Dartmouth
- Gettysburg
- Harvard
- Lafayette
- Maine
- Holy Cross
- Lehigh
- Muhlenberg
- New Hampshire
- Pennsylvania
- Rhode Island
- Trinity (CT)
- Tufts
- Villanova
- Williams
- Vermont
- Wesleyan
- Yale

IWILT, to be fair: this was before the I-A/I-AA split.

(03-22-2020 06:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Cincinnati’s schedule:
Dayton
Indiana
Wichita
N Texas
Richmond
Tulsa
Detroit
Miami (OH)
Xavier
Houston

A lot of schools were "major" back then that aren't "major" today. All of those schools Cincinnati played were covered as "major schools" in the preview.

The Border, Missouri Valley, Skyline, Southern, and MAC would be equal to today's G5 conferences.

The MVC was Cincinnati, Wichita, Tulsa, and North Texas. They all played respectable home schedules:

Tulsa - vs Oklahoma State (major indy), vs Hardin-Simmons (Border), vs Toledo (MAC), also played @ Alabama
North Texas - vs UTEP (Border), vs Hardin-Simmons (Border), vs West Texas State (Border), vs Memphis (major indy)
Wichita - vs Arizona State (Border), vs Hardin-Simmons (Border), vs New Mexico State (Border)

Also Louisville, Dayton, Cincinnati, Miami (OH), and Xavier all played each other in a round-robin (other than Louisville-Miami).


Two schools on UC's schedule that look like FCS games today actually played 100% "major" schedules in 1962:

Dayton's schedule
Kent State (MAC)
@ Cincinnati (MVC)
Bowling Green (MAC)
@ Ohio (MAC)
Louisville (indy listed as a major school, would join MVC in 1963)
@ Xavier (indy listed as a major school)
@ Detroit (see below)
Holy Cross - a major Indy that played home games against Syracuse and Penn State in 1962
@ Miami (MAC)
Wichita (MVC)

Detroit's schedule:
@ Boston College (major Indy)
@ Xavier (indy listed as a major school)
New Mexico State (Border Conference)
Kentucky (SEC)
Dayton (see above)
@ Villanova (indy listed as a major school)
Cincinnati (MVC)
South Carolina (ACC)
@ Memphis State (indy listed as a major school)

(03-22-2020 06:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Reporter asks coach “Why sir are you changing from the proven single wing to the T formation?”

UCLA coach “In a decade or so these new state colleges - Los Angeles, Valley State, and the like - are going to be heard from. They could be the UCLA of the 70s.”

“Oregon and Oregon State, at present unwanted in the AAWU, will go their independent way until such time as the conference relents and invites them back.”

“Heretofore, the best football in the region was inevitably played on the coastal slope, but with the newly formed Western Athletic Conference competing for players, those days are numbered.”

“The West’s Top Five:
1. Washington
2. Oregon
3. Utah State
4. USC
5. Wyoming”

“The rest of the Mid-American Conference has run away and left poor Marshall. The Big Green has sought consolation in picking on smaller schools like Morehead and Eastern Kentucky - still with little success. Last year Morehead held Marshall scoreless. This season the school is taking no chances, scheduling Findlay and Butler.”

“Marshall is out of its depth. Big Green vs Bowling Green is a mismatch to rival Keokuk vs the N.Y. Yankees.”

“Royal anticipates no startling innovations in 1962 like the “flip-flop” offense he introduced in 1961 (In the flip-flop, the same guard, tackle and end line up on the right side for wing right and on the left side for wing left).”

“Arizona, Arizona State and New Mexico, charter members of the new Western Athletic Conference, are major football forces who are reorienting themselves away from Texas and the old Border Conference geography.”

William&Mary hosted both Virginia & Virginia Tech.

VPI & VMI were playing Thanksgiving in Roanoke.

UTEP was Texas Western.

There was a “Montana State U” and “Montana State College”

Colorado was categorized in “The Midwest” section

Cincinnati’s schedule:
Dayton
Indiana
Wichita
N Texas
Richmond
Tulsa
Detroit
Miami (OH)
Xavier
Houston

Teams included with the Big Boys:
- Pacific
- Los Angeles State
- George Washington
- Citadel
- Davidson
- Richmond
- VMI
- William&Mary
- Detroit
- Dayton
- Xavier
- Wichita
- Abilene Christian
- Hardin Simmons
- McMurry
- Trinity (TX)
- West Texas A&M
- Amherst
- Brown
- Boston University
- Bucknell
- Colgate
- Columbia
- Cornell
- Dartmouth
- Gettysburg
- Harvard
- Lafayette
- Maine
- Holy Cross
- Lehigh
- Muhlenberg
- New Hampshire
- Pennsylvania
- Rhode Island
- Trinity (CT)
- Tufts
- Villanova
- Williams
- Vermont
- Wesleyan
- Yale

Oh God,

Please don't let David St. see this. We all know what it will start.

Actually, it is a good reminder that over time there is an inexorable shift in which schools are the big time schools and which ones are the lower echelon. Who knows which schools will be the cream of the crop in 2080 - if college athletics survives.

Subjectively it seems like universities were way more in flux in that era compared to anything we've seen since then. You had the Boomers coming of age, all the new system and community college expansions, etc. Its silly to look at some of those schools as DI now, though in an alternate universe it's not a giant stretch to imagine some of those castoffs as major programs and current teams as minor players.

(03-24-2020 08:21 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Subjectively it seems like universities were way more in flux in that era compared to anything we've seen since then. You had the Boomers coming of age, all the new system and community college expansions, etc. Its silly to look at some of those schools as DI now, though in an alternate universe it's not a giant stretch to imagine some of those castoffs as major programs and current teams as minor players.

Into the 70s, Dayton, Miami, Xavier and Cincinnati played each other. Then Xavier dropped football. Dayton shortly after dropped scholarships.

(03-24-2020 09:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-24-2020 08:21 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Subjectively it seems like universities were way more in flux in that era compared to anything we've seen since then. You had the Boomers coming of age, all the new system and community college expansions, etc. Its silly to look at some of those schools as DI now, though in an alternate universe it's not a giant stretch to imagine some of those castoffs as major programs and current teams as minor players.

Into the 70s, Dayton, Miami, Xavier and Cincinnati played each other. Then Xavier dropped football. Dayton shortly after dropped scholarships.

You could throw Louisville into that mix too. Louisville played Dayton every year from 1952-1975, and until 1962 they played Xavier almost every year.

Fun fact: Louisville is 0-13 all time against Xavier.

(03-22-2020 01:46 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  https://archive.org/details/Sports-Illus...1962-09-24

Special edition. Cover is Ole Miss cheerleaders in Rebel costumes hoisting Confederate flags.

In 1962 a Confederate Battle Flag flew over the Capitol of every Southern State, just under the Flag of the United States.

In 1962 virtually every Southern male under age 30 had a Confederate Battle Flag for a front license plate on his car and had a big one hanging on the wall over his bed.

In 1962 when children had dirt cold wards (a lot of building in the Suburbs), or had rubber band gun wars they divided into sides based on whether they were born in the North or the South. I remember when we had some kids from California and Oregon and Canada we gave them a Pirate flag and had a third party in the wars..

1962 was an entirely different era and none of those things were out of the ordinary or considered to be racist. History books had pictures of Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant on the inside front and back covers.

All of this was considered part of the history and heritage of the nation for good or for ill. The symbols of the past have been misappropriated and made to be offensive instead of just a fact of history.

In the early 60's I was an avid model builder and I painted my models. If I had a model of a BF109 it had a swastika on the tail just like the original. A child building that model today would have the crosses for the wings but no swastika for the tail. PC is the reason why.

Swastikas didn't kill 6 million Jews. Nazi's did. The swastika is an ancient symbol of good fortune in India, and a talisman for many native tribes and not just in the U.S.

We alter reality and falsify truth when we attack symbols which in their time were just fact of history. By banning them we make the symbols, once of losing causes and ideologies, greater in power than they ever were in reality.

Something is fundamentally wrong with this. They should never be feared and always identified with the losing regimes they represented.

A burning cross is an entirely different matter and I can readily accept the banning of such.

But by banning symbols of the past we give them a power that the antisocial will always rally around. I'm just not for that.

But for the purposes of the OP, yes it seems wholly out of place today, but it was mainstream, accepted, and thought nothing of in 1962.

(03-22-2020 06:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  William&Mary hosted both Virginia & Virginia Tech.

VPI & VMI were playing Thanksgiving in Roanoke.

The Virginia “Big 5” was UVA, VPI, VMI, Richmond, and W&M. They all hosted one another until the 80’s. VPI vs VMI was always in Roanoke until the very end. Many times the schools would play “neutral site” in-season games at the Tobacco Bowl (Richmond) and Oyster Bowl (Norfolk). Good times.

(03-25-2020 05:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-22-2020 01:46 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  https://archive.org/details/Sports-Illus...1962-09-24

Special edition. Cover is Ole Miss cheerleaders in Rebel costumes hoisting Confederate flags.

In 1962 a Confederate Battle Flag flew over the Capitol of every Southern State, just under the Flag of the United States.

In 1962 virtually every Southern male under age 30 had a Confederate Battle Flag for a front license plate on his car and had a big one hanging on the wall over his bed.

In 1962 when children had dirt cold wards (a lot of building in the Suburbs), or had rubber band gun wars they divided into sides based on whether they were born in the North or the South. I remember when we had some kids from California and Oregon and Canada we gave them a Pirate flag and had a third party in the wars..

1962 was an entirely different era and none of those things were out of the ordinary or considered to be racist. History books had pictures of Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant on the inside front and back covers.

All of this was considered part of the history and heritage of the nation for good or for ill. The symbols of the past have been misappropriated and made to be offensive instead of just a fact of history.

In the early 60's I was an avid model builder and I painted my models. If I had a model of a BF109 it had a swastika on the tail just like the original. A child building that model today would have the crosses for the wings but no swastika for the tail. PC is the reason why.

Swastikas didn't kill 6 million Jews. Nazi's did. The swastika is an ancient symbol of good fortune in India, and a talisman for many native tribes and not just in the U.S.

We alter reality and falsify truth when we attack symbols which in their time were just fact of history. By banning them we make the symbols, once of losing causes and ideologies, greater in power than they ever were in reality.

Something is fundamentally wrong with this. They should never be feared and always identified with the losing regimes they represented.

A burning cross is an entirely different matter and I can readily accept the banning of such.

But by banning symbols of the past we give them a power that the antisocial will always rally around. I'm just not for that.

But for the purposes of the OP, yes it seems wholly out of place today, but it was mainstream, accepted, and thought nothing of in 1962.

Eisenhower could integrate the armed forces and send the national guard to integrate Little Rock Central High and could also have a picture of Robert E. Lee in the oval office.

There's a reason there is a Ft. Bragg, Ft. Hood, etc. (Confederate generals) along with the former Ft. McPherson in Atlanta (union general who died in the Battle of Atlanta). The army decided to name new forts after generals of both sides to help unite the country. It was a war between brothers. Several of Mary Todd Lincoln's brothers fought on both sides. Abe and Mary Todd mourned when her sister's husband Benjamin Hardin Helm died leading a Confederate Kentucky brigade at Chickamauga.