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RE: Strongest & Weakest P5 conference academically?
(03-19-2020 04:11 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: (03-19-2020 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (03-19-2020 11:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: 1) ACC
2) Pac-12
3) B1G
I think the top 3 are all about even. They each have different strengths. E.g., the PAC and ACC have "higher peaks" than the B1G, but the B1G has fewer dregs at the bottom.
So my choice would be the B1G at the top, but that's just me.
Also, I don't think ND can count for the ACC, only full members should count.
ND is a full legal, voting member of the ACC. They are a full member of the ACC Academic Consortium. The are a full partner in the ACC Network. They just don't participate in ACC football, other than their 5 game annual commitment. They are not an affiliate or partial member of the conference despite how it the term is incorrectly although popularly applied to their situation.
Regardless, you can take ND out and the ACC still has the best average and median US News ranking every year.
That said, the Big 10 clearly has the collection of schools doing the largest amount of research & development by total $. However, the Pac-12 just edges them in average total $ in terms of federally supported research. Federal research is typically viewed as the most significant and prestigious of all research funding since it is the most competitive to obtain.
Here are the most recent (fall 2019) US News rankings (i.e. undergrad) for all Power 5 conference schools with conference averages.
ACC
Duke 10
Notre Dame 15
Wake Forest 27
Virginia 28
Georgia Tech 29
North Carolina 29
Boston College 37
Syracuse 54
Florida State 57
Miami 57
Pitt 57
Clemson 70
Virginia Tech 74
NC State 84
Louisville 192
Mean 54.7
Median 54.0
Big 10
Northwestern 9
Michigan 25
Wisconsin 46
Illinois 48
Ohio State 54
Penn State 57
Purdue 57
Rutgers 62
Maryland 64
Minnesota 70
Indiana 79
Iowa 84
Michigan State 84
Nebraska 139
Mean 62.7
Median 59.5
Pac-12
Stanford 6
UCLA 20
California 22
USC 22
Washington 62
Colorado 104
Oregon 104
Utah 104
Arizona 117
Arizona State 117
Oregon State 139
Washington State 166
Mean 81.9
Median 104.0
SEC
Vanderbilt 15
Florida 34
Georgia 50
Texas A&M 70
Auburn 104
South Carolina 104
Tennessee 104
Kentucky 132
Missouri 139
Alabama 153
Arkansas 153
LSU 153
Mississippi 162
Mississippi State 211
Mean 113.1
Median 118.0
Big 12
Texas 48
Baylor 79
TCU 97
Iowa State 121
Kansas 130
Oklahoma 132
Kansas State 162
Oklahoma State 192
Texas Tech 218
West Virginia 228
Mean 140.7
Median 131.0
Here are the total R&D ($ X 1000) for each Power 5 school per the latest available NSF information (FY 2017). This includes non-competitive research funding and grants. These totals include only the university that is a member of the conference, not entire university systems and not separate entities (such as med schools) that are not legally part of the university that is a member in the conference. The legal entity is determined by reporting/accounting by the schools themselves and award granting mechanisms by the government.
Big 10
Michigan 1,530,139
Wisconsin 1,193,413
Minnesota 921,681
Ohio State 864,327
Penn State 854,815
Northwestern 751,809
Michigan State 694,917
Rutgers 681,719
Illinois 642,084
Purdue 622,814
Maryland 548,885
Indiana 540,421
Iowa 494,280
Nebraska 302,204
Mean 760,251
Median 688,318
Pac-12
Washington 1,348,220
Stanford 1,109,708
UCLA 1,076,917
California 770,822
USC 764,322
Arizona 622,200
Arizona State 545,016
Colorado 499,389
Utah 380,295
Washington State 356,901
Oregon State 267,068
Oregon 95,974
Mean 653,069
Median 583,608
ACC
Duke 1,126,924
North Carolina 1,102,063
Pitt 939,706
Georgia Tech 804,301
Virginia Tech 522,425
NC State 500,445
Virginia 469,682
Miami 367,877
Florida State 282,901
Notre Dame 212,823
Clemson 193,268
Wake Forest 182,227
Louisville 177,588
Syracuse 145,705
Boston College 58,088
Mean 472,402
Median 367,877
SEC
Texas A&M 905,474
Florida 801,418
Vanderbilt 712,036
Georgia 455,432
Kentucky 378,374
LSU 266,177
Missouri 253,952
Mississippi State 240,972
South Carolina 208,670
Tennessee 203,800
Auburn 190,340
Arkansas 157,791
Mississippi 134,542
Alabama 63,282
Mean 355,161
Median 247,462
Big 12
Texas 652,187
Iowa State 323,584
Kansas 300,319
Oklahoma 272,239
Kansas State 196,478
Texas Tech 191,482
Oklahoma State 191,478
West Virginia 185,606
Baylor 29,400
TCU 7,255
Mean 235,003
Median 193,980
Here are the total federally supported R&D ($ X 1000) for each Power 5 school per the latest available NSF information (FY 2016). Largely, these are the most competitive research funding to be awarded and the most prestigious. Although it includes all disciplines, the NIH is the largest provider of federal research funding so totals tend to favor universities with medical schools, although these numbers also include NSF and DOD awards, among others. Please note that absolutely none of this money is shared between institutions based on conference affiliation. Research awards are completely independent of athletic conference affiliation and there is no impact on such affiliation for an institution's ability to procure future awards.
Pac-12
Washington 641,706
Stanford 552,199
UCLA 517,169
Colorado 495,701
USC 335,332
California 278,496
Utah 231,227
Arizona 211,508
Arizona State 153,087
Oregon State 116,448
Washington State 98,896
Oregon 50,023
Mean 306,816
Median 254,862
Big 10
Michigan 667,704
Wisconsin 462,157
Penn State 401,853
Northwestern 393,277
Minnesota 392,782
Michigan State 304,422
Ohio State 282,425
Illinois 274,973
Rutgers 248,528
Maryland 234,508
Iowa 190,740
Purdue 176,446
Indiana 87,513
Nebraska 75,678
Mean 299,500
Median 278,699
ACC
Pitt 532,632
Duke 508,315
North Carolina 482,958
Virginia 182,733
Georgia Tech 167,638
Miami 160,990
NC State 155,287
Virginia Tech 135,038
Wake Forest 116,632
Florida State 109,393
Clemson 72,547
Notre Dame 62,408
Louisville 59,607
Syracuse 24,518
Boston College 24,506
Mean 186,346.8
Median 135,038
SEC
Vanderbilt 409,155
Florida 252,514
Texas A&M 186,539
Kentucky 155,115
Georgia 110,652
LSU 96,067
Missouri 89,180
South Carolina 67,273
Mississippi State 64,555
Tennessee 57,192
Mississippi 52,925
Auburn 39,614
Arkansas 35,339
Alabama 13,466
Mean 116,399
Median 78,227
Big 12
Texas 296,025
Kansas 109,181
Iowa State 102,781
Oklahoma 74,149
Kansas State 62,654
West Virginia 46,616
Oklahoma State 29,423
Texas Tech 24,447
Baylor 5,148
TCU 1,593
Mean 75,202
Median 54,635
Very nice compilation of stats Paco. Thank you.
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