(03-19-2020 11:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Trump could have hand delivered a cure Day 1 and it wouldn't have been enough. We ALL know that is the case. No use arguing when they don't at last acknowledge the simple facts that goe against their preconceived hatred of the man.

This line is so ******* stupid. Just stop already.

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Based on what demonstrable FACTS Tom?

As reported by the Financial Times, in an article by John Burn-Murdoch from date provided by John's Hopkins... Our curve in terms of mortality is MUCH lower, especially from the outset than Germany, UK, Spain, France, Netherlands and certainly Italy, Iran, China etc. We had a bad day yesterday, but no worse than anywhere else has had, and still way 'to the right' of them

If anything, the data would say that we started off great and have sucked more recently as more cooks have come into the kitchen.

Cooks being?

More patients into the system, or more people meddling trying to "fix" this?

Just curious what you meant there.

People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.

(03-19-2020 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  He acted immediately in response to Covid...

You're in a cult dude.

If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

(03-19-2020 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Based on what demonstrable FACTS Tom?

As reported by the Financial Times, in an article by John Burn-Murdoch from date provided by John's Hopkins... Our curve in terms of mortality is MUCH lower, especially from the outset than Germany, UK, Spain, France, Netherlands and certainly Italy, Iran, China etc. We had a bad day yesterday, but no worse than anywhere else has had, and still way 'to the right' of them

If anything, the data would say that we started off great and have sucked more recently as more cooks have come into the kitchen.

Cooks being?

More patients into the system, or more people meddling trying to "fix" this?

Just curious what you meant there.

People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.

(03-19-2020 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  He acted immediately in response to Covid...

You're in a cult dude.

If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

If by "of this" and "it", you mean the virus; once more Trump never referred the virus as a hoax.

(03-19-2020 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Based on what demonstrable FACTS Tom?

As reported by the Financial Times, in an article by John Burn-Murdoch from date provided by John's Hopkins... Our curve in terms of mortality is MUCH lower, especially from the outset than Germany, UK, Spain, France, Netherlands and certainly Italy, Iran, China etc. We had a bad day yesterday, but no worse than anywhere else has had, and still way 'to the right' of them

If anything, the data would say that we started off great and have sucked more recently as more cooks have come into the kitchen.

Cooks being?

More patients into the system, or more people meddling trying to "fix" this?

Just curious what you meant there.

People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.

(03-19-2020 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  He acted immediately in response to Covid...

You're in a cult dude.

If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

I've met many a contradictory Peter Principle'd feller and gal along the many travails....

ewe win the 'moistest' award...

(03-19-2020 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Based on what demonstrable FACTS Tom?

As reported by the Financial Times, in an article by John Burn-Murdoch from date provided by John's Hopkins... Our curve in terms of mortality is MUCH lower, especially from the outset than Germany, UK, Spain, France, Netherlands and certainly Italy, Iran, China etc. We had a bad day yesterday, but no worse than anywhere else has had, and still way 'to the right' of them

If anything, the data would say that we started off great and have sucked more recently as more cooks have come into the kitchen.

Cooks being?

More patients into the system, or more people meddling trying to "fix" this?

Just curious what you meant there.

People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.

(03-19-2020 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  He acted immediately in response to Covid...

You're in a cult dude.

If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

So...you're pissed because of his words. However, you have no problems with all of the actions that he took since day one. Of course, you continue to IGNORE the fact that we've had FREE MOVEMENT OF CHINESE IN OUR COUNTRY for months before China owned up to the sh!t show that was going on in their country. Just admit that "orange man bad" is what's driving you words in this discussion.

So... WHEN we see COVID-19 having less impact on our health system than Swine Flu - which was not treated remotely close to the level of seriousness that we're exhibiting today - people are going to start asking questions. 1) Why didn't the media jump on Swine Flu like they did on COVID-19? 2) Where was our government in 2009 to stem the tide of the Swine Flu epidemic??? (hint: D-D-D #SUPERMAJORITY).

(03-19-2020 12:31 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Based on what demonstrable FACTS Tom?

As reported by the Financial Times, in an article by John Burn-Murdoch from date provided by John's Hopkins... Our curve in terms of mortality is MUCH lower, especially from the outset than Germany, UK, Spain, France, Netherlands and certainly Italy, Iran, China etc. We had a bad day yesterday, but no worse than anywhere else has had, and still way 'to the right' of them

If anything, the data would say that we started off great and have sucked more recently as more cooks have come into the kitchen.

Cooks being?

More patients into the system, or more people meddling trying to "fix" this?

Just curious what you meant there.

People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.

(03-19-2020 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  He acted immediately in response to Covid...

You're in a cult dude.

If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

If by "of this" and "it", you mean the virus; once more Trump never referred the virus as a hoax.

Yes...I get it. But again, he also said these things...

Quote:“I think that whole situation will start working out,” he told reporters at a press conference in India. “We’re very close to a vaccine.”

“If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better,”

“Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that’s true.”

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.”

“This is a flu. This is like a flu.”

"I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” And he said: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

“It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear. And from our shores, we — you know, it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows. The fact is, the greatest experts — I’ve spoken to them all. Nobody really knows.”

“It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

“The Democrat policy of open borders is a direct threat to the health and well-being of all Americans. Now you see it with the coronavirus, you see it. You see it with the coronavirus.”

“Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is.”

“We have very low numbers compared to major countries throughout the world. Our numbers “are lower than just about anybody.”

How could anyone not think that he believed the severity of this from day one.

(03-19-2020 12:41 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Based on what demonstrable FACTS Tom?

As reported by the Financial Times, in an article by John Burn-Murdoch from date provided by John's Hopkins... Our curve in terms of mortality is MUCH lower, especially from the outset than Germany, UK, Spain, France, Netherlands and certainly Italy, Iran, China etc. We had a bad day yesterday, but no worse than anywhere else has had, and still way 'to the right' of them

If anything, the data would say that we started off great and have sucked more recently as more cooks have come into the kitchen.

Cooks being?

More patients into the system, or more people meddling trying to "fix" this?

Just curious what you meant there.

People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.

(03-19-2020 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  He acted immediately in response to Covid...

You're in a cult dude.

If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

So...you're pissed because of his words. However, you have no problems with all of the actions that he took since day one. Of course, you continue to IGNORE the fact that we've had FREE MOVEMENT OF CHINESE IN OUR COUNTRY for months before China owned up to the sh!t show that was going on in their country. Just admit that "orange man bad" is what's driving you words in this discussion.

So... WHEN we see COVID-19 having less impact on our health system than Swine Flu - which was not treated remotely close to the level of seriousness that we're exhibiting today - people are going to start asking questions. 1) Why didn't the media jump on Swine Flu like they did on COVID-19? 2) Where was our government in 2009 to stem the tide of the Swine Flu epidemic??? (hint: D-D-D #SUPERMAJORITY).

If you're going to continually try to equate this to the swine flu, there's no point to attempt any rational discussion, because it's just an idiotic statement.

(03-19-2020 11:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Trump could have hand delivered a cure Day 1 and it wouldn't have been enough. We ALL know that is the case. No use arguing when they don't at last acknowledge the simple facts that goe against their preconceived hatred of the man.

This is true about anything he does.

When this pandemic is over Democrats will be not be happy if the number of Americans that lost their lives isn’t higher than the rest of the world.

(03-19-2020 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:41 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Cooks being?

More patients into the system, or more people meddling trying to "fix" this?

Just curious what you meant there.

People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.

(03-19-2020 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

You're in a cult dude.

If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

So...you're pissed because of his words. However, you have no problems with all of the actions that he took since day one. Of course, you continue to IGNORE the fact that we've had FREE MOVEMENT OF CHINESE IN OUR COUNTRY for months before China owned up to the sh!t show that was going on in their country. Just admit that "orange man bad" is what's driving you words in this discussion.

So... WHEN we see COVID-19 having less impact on our health system than Swine Flu - which was not treated remotely close to the level of seriousness that we're exhibiting today - people are going to start asking questions. 1) Why didn't the media jump on Swine Flu like they did on COVID-19? 2) Where was our government in 2009 to stem the tide of the Swine Flu epidemic??? (hint: D-D-D #SUPERMAJORITY).

If you're going to continually try to equate this to the swine flu, there's no point to attempt any rational discussion, because it's just an idiotic statement.

It's impossible to hold a rational discussion with someone who remains willfully irrational like yourself.

Yeah, you're not going to 'spin' me, Tom.

Just so we're clear because you love to live in denial...

You said he said the virus was a hoax... and not that democrats amplifying it was a hoax...
Only a moron would reach this conclusion based on the words he used and the actions he took before and after the comment....

So you're essentially saying that he should not have spoken the truth... but instead should have lied to the people because people too dumb to follow the English language or even logic, and instead are so locked into their partisan bull**** that they will suspend logic and language in order to (wilfully) misinterpret his statements.

Said more simply... the problem as you see it is that Trump didn't speak to people like they're completely partisan morons and instead expected them to simply understand English.

(03-19-2020 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:41 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Cooks being?

More patients into the system, or more people meddling trying to "fix" this?

Just curious what you meant there.

People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.

(03-19-2020 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

You're in a cult dude.

If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

So...you're pissed because of his words. However, you have no problems with all of the actions that he took since day one. Of course, you continue to IGNORE the fact that we've had FREE MOVEMENT OF CHINESE IN OUR COUNTRY for months before China owned up to the sh!t show that was going on in their country. Just admit that "orange man bad" is what's driving you words in this discussion.

So... WHEN we see COVID-19 having less impact on our health system than Swine Flu - which was not treated remotely close to the level of seriousness that we're exhibiting today - people are going to start asking questions. 1) Why didn't the media jump on Swine Flu like they did on COVID-19? 2) Where was our government in 2009 to stem the tide of the Swine Flu epidemic??? (hint: D-D-D #SUPERMAJORITY).

If you're going to continually try to equate this to the swine flu, there's no point to attempt any rational discussion, because it's just an idiotic statement.

Explain how it's idiotic. I really want to hear this because I have yet to see anything from you detailing why equating this to the swine flu or even the regular flu is so wrong. The death rates for COVID-19 are already overstated as a percentage because we know that many who get the virus aren't getting all of the major symptoms and are thus not seeking out testing.

LOL at you though for failing to address the point that the Chinese were freely moving around our country for months before they let the world know about COVID-19. We know China well enough to assume that the communists would have knowingly sent infected individuals to our country to infect us.

Your side NEEDS this pandemic to have a higher death rate. It's good for the Democratic Party. Fortunately for us and unfortunately for the DNC - this will fall short of even the Swine Flu in terms of exposure and deaths.

(03-19-2020 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If you're going to continually try to equate this to the swine flu, there's no point to attempt any rational discussion, because it's just an idiotic statement.

Oh good lord Tom, stop acting like you know ANYTHING about diseases

Swine was our most recent global pandemic infecting as many as 1.4 million and killing as many as 500,000 globally. Lots can be learned from the spread of that virus, even if they aren't exactly the same.

(03-19-2020 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If you're going to continually try to equate this to the swine flu, there's no point to attempt any rational discussion, because it's just an idiotic statement.

Oh good lord Tom, stop acting like you know ANYTHING about diseases

Swine was our most recent global pandemic infecting as many as 1.4 million and killing as many as 500,000 globally. Lots can be learned from the spread of that virus, even if they aren't exactly the same.

You used the wrong letter. It was 1.4 Billion as 60 million alone got it in the US. But you are wasting your time, because the PERCENTAGE that die is so much more important than the ACTUAL number now. Thus the reason I say more people have died from the flu in the US alone during this pandemic than have died from the pandemic virus in the entire world so far. But I'm idiotic for mentioning that.

Tom...
I wonder how you feel about this? I'm pulling some quotes.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2...-china/en/

Feel free to pull other quotes... but is there anything in this release that I see that portends the sort of 'concern' that you seem to want to imply. Now before jumping to a conclusion about the point I am trying to make (which I know you already have)... the ACTUAL point I'm making is that the WHO... an organization whose primary focus is issues like these... is quite literally downplaying an apparent death rate of 1:41

The evidence is highly suggestive that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood market in Wuhan. The market was closed on 1 January 2020. At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission.

Among the 41 confirmed cases, there has been one death. This death occurred in a patient with serious underlying medical conditions.

Symptom onset of the 41 confirmed nCoV cases ranges from 8 December 2019 to 2 January 2020. No additional cases have been detected since 3 January 2020.

The government reports that there is no clear evidence that the virus passes easily from person to person.

WHO does not recommend any specific health measures for travellers. In case of symptoms suggestive of respiratory illness either during or after travel, travellers are encouraged to seek medical attention and share travel history with their healthcare provider. Travel guidance has been updated.

WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China based on the information currently available on this event.


I'm not asking you to second guess the WHO. I'm simply asking if you're going to hold them to the same standards as you do Trump, who, like Biden and Bernie and Hillary and Bill and George and Ron, has as much experience in global health as you?

Things change as additional information becomes available... but one would think that if 'spreading the potential worst case' was SOP for such events, that the WHO would practice it.

(03-19-2020 02:18 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Oh good lord Tom, stop acting like you know ANYTHING about diseases

Swine was our most recent global pandemic infecting as many as 1.4 million and killing as many as 500,000 globally. Lots can be learned from the spread of that virus, even if they aren't exactly the same.

You used the wrong letter. It was 1.4 Billion as 60 million alone got it in the US. But you are wasting your time, because the PERCENTAGE that die is so much more important than the ACTUAL number now. Thus the reason I say more people have died from the flu in the US alone during this pandemic than have died from the pandemic virus in the entire world so far. But I'm idiotic for mentioning that.

Thanks for catching that. unintentional mistake

(03-19-2020 01:58 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:41 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 11:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  People with ignorant opinions trying to sway stupid people for mostly political purposes without regard to the implications of their actions. Some of them sort of say 'I'm just one guy on an internet board' which is true, but there seem to be tens of millions of these people, and they vote so politicians pander to them. See Pelosi, Schumer et al.

See below... not a cook, but there is SOME idiot out there with some power who wants his vote and will pander to him. wasting time and resources better spent elsewhere in order to get it.


If you say so... better than being an uninformed, lying fool.

So he DIDN'T limit travel to/from China or set up quarantine stations at iirc 3 military bases for Returning Americans very early on? I didn't say they were perfect actions or even the correct actions, but they clearly were actions in response to the issue, that he didn't reverse because he discovered this supposed 'hoax' virus.

And nowhere did I say those actions were wrong or not appropriate. I've said countless times that it's been his messaging all along that has made this the problem that it is...he failed for weeks to put out a consistent message as to the actual severity of this by downplaying it with his usual trigger words like hoax, etc. Saying the cases would be zero in short order...that it would magically wash away...that it would just go away when the weather got warm and yadda yadda yadda...

So...you're pissed because of his words. However, you have no problems with all of the actions that he took since day one. Of course, you continue to IGNORE the fact that we've had FREE MOVEMENT OF CHINESE IN OUR COUNTRY for months before China owned up to the sh!t show that was going on in their country. Just admit that "orange man bad" is what's driving you words in this discussion.

So... WHEN we see COVID-19 having less impact on our health system than Swine Flu - which was not treated remotely close to the level of seriousness that we're exhibiting today - people are going to start asking questions. 1) Why didn't the media jump on Swine Flu like they did on COVID-19? 2) Where was our government in 2009 to stem the tide of the Swine Flu epidemic??? (hint: D-D-D #SUPERMAJORITY).

If you're going to continually try to equate this to the swine flu, there's no point to attempt any rational discussion, because it's just an idiotic statement.

Explain how it's idiotic. I really want to hear this because I have yet to see anything from you detailing why equating this to the swine flu or even the regular flu is so wrong. The death rates for COVID-19 are already overstated as a percentage because we know that many who get the virus aren't getting all of the major symptoms and are thus not seeking out testing.

LOL at you though for failing to address the point that the Chinese were freely moving around our country for months before they let the world know about COVID-19. We know China well enough to assume that the communists would have knowingly sent infected individuals to our country to infect us.

Your side NEEDS this pandemic to have a higher death rate. It's good for the Democratic Party. Fortunately for us and unfortunately for the DNC - this will fall short of even the Swine Flu in terms of exposure and deaths.

This is what I'm talking about. I'm more referring to our response to it which the right keeps on wanting to bring up to try and make it look like they're winning something. And yes, we jumped on it and handled it much quicker that what we've seen so far. I'm not saying they both weren't deadly, I'm saying claims that trump is doing better than Obama or that the media didn't hype H1N1 are reckless and dangerous.

Quote:Though the H1N1 virus had begun spreading in Mexico, the first case in the United States was detected on April 15, 2009, in a 10-year-old patient in California. Two days later, CDC laboratory testing confirmed a second infection in an 8-year-old also living in California. Within one week, the CDC had activated its Emergency Operations Center to respond to what it had identified as an emerging public health threat.

Before the end of April, the government had declared a public health emergency and started releasing medical supplies and drugs from the CDC’s Strategic National Stockpile. “The real-time PCR test developed by CDC was cleared for use by diagnostic laboratories by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) on April 28, 2009, less than two weeks after identification of the new pandemic virus,” the CDC notes on its website.

Sebelius remembers that date well. It was the day she was sworn in as HHS secretary.

The test developed by the CDC was created quickly. It was accurate. And it was shared with governments around the world, she said. “The capacity of CDC at that point to make and develop and quickly turn out a test was vastly different than what we saw occurring” with the coronavirus, Sebelius said.

No, President Trump, the Coronavirus Is Nothing Like H1N1 Swine Flu Either

(03-19-2020 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If you're going to continually try to equate this to our response to the swine flu, there's no point to attempt any rational discussion, because it's just an idiotic statement.

Oh good lord Tom, stop acting like you know ANYTHING about diseases

Swine was our most recent global pandemic infecting as many as 1.4 million and killing as many as 500,000 globally. Lots can be learned from the spread of that virus, even if they aren't exactly the same.

Never claimed otherwise. I was referring to comparing our responses to it, not actually flu vs. flu. Apologies for not adding the bolded originally.

Back to the "media"...

If you're going to use anything from OANN, take a look at this. And yes, these clowns have press credentials at the white house briefings. Geez!

(03-19-2020 02:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Back to the "media"...

If you're going to use anything from OANN, take a look at this. And yes, these clowns have press credentials at the white house briefings. Geez!

Original Trump claim refuted - spin to another topic...........

........and yes - the media of both sides have squandered the gift the founding fathers bestowed on them and are much closer to carnival barkers today. Then the a-holes act incredulous because people no longer believe their tripe. The boy cried wolf too many times....