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Quote:Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., warned on Thursday that the potential deaths and economic impacts of the coronavirus were "on a scale of a major war."

"Nobody knows what the number of fatalities may end up being or the number of people who may get ill, and we all hope that that number will be as low as possible," Sanders, a 2020 presidential candidate, said during a speech from Vermont.

"But we also have to face the truth and that is that the number of casualties may actually be even higher than what the armed forces experienced in World War II. In other words, we have a major, major crisis and we must act accordingly."

Sanders' prediction seemed to align with worst-case projections released by the Centers for Disease Control. The agency reportedly offered percentage estimates that into a death count range from 200,000 to 1.7 million. The U.S. military saw more than 400,000 deaths and nearly 700,000 wounded as a result of World War II.

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I don't think that's a completely outrageous claim. He didn't specify a time period. We lose tens of thousands every year to H1N1, so it could add up over time.

Bernie is being honest and forthright with the American people. That’s something the Spray Tan Sultan is incapable of doing.

No mames, it's a good thing there's only a few of you that will vote for Bernie, you aren't too bright.

(03-14-2020 01:03 PM)Momus Wrote:  Bernie is being honest and forthright with the American people. That’s something the Spray Tan Sultan is incapable of doing.

You forgot to cut out the part that made his claim reasonable in your quote.

A giant meteor could land in the middle of Nebraska tonight and wipe out the whole country. But there's a big difference between could and will, or even could and likely.

The Black Plague wiped out more people in a year than a single war. These viruses could do these types of damage to an area. We are already up to 59 dead.

Lol

You know it might be prudent if this virus proves not to like warm weather to pick a state to relocate all survivors of COVID19 to when this is over, and during it to send all COVID 19 patients too. Why beyond triage do we want to contaminate all other hospitals? It might wind up being something like tuberculosis once was.

Anyway a concentration of personnel specializing in and dedicated to the treatment of this virus and the research to find an anti-viral would make sense. And until we know if those who have recovered can still transmit the virus it seems to me we need to create COVID19 Free Zones and segregate the communicable from the rest of us.

Well, about 80,000,000 people died as a result of World War II. That's a strong prediction by Bernie.

(03-14-2020 10:26 PM)banker Wrote:  Well, about 80,000,000 people died as a result of World War II. That's a strong prediction by Bernie.

Bernie said "armed forces," which excludes civilians. That knocks the number to about 15,000,000.

Also, in the context of his comments, I'm pretty sure he was talking about American deaths, not worldwide deaths.

Now we're talking 416,800. And he did not attach a time frame to his number.

Since the flu kills from 11K-75K a year in this country alone, we could realistically reach that number in maybe a decade.

So, probably an exaggeration on his part, but not that far out of line.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/studen...-world-war

(03-14-2020 07:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You know it might be prudent if this virus proves not to like warm weather to pick a state to relocate all survivors of COVID19 to when this is over, and during it to send all COVID 19 patients too. Why beyond triage do we want to contaminate all other hospitals? It might wind up being something like tuberculosis once was.

Anyway a concentration of personnel specializing in and dedicated to the treatment of this virus and the research to find an anti-viral would make sense. And until we know if those who have recovered can still transmit the virus it seems to me we need to create COVID19 Free Zones and segregate the communicable from the rest of us.

JR, I get where you're going with that....however, all I can think of is 'detainment camps for U.S. citizens'.....ain' gonna happen...

people are going to die....and it's those over a certain age group or those with existing health issues.....

the larger percentage comprised of young and healthy will survive....

maybe, this is where my views on pragmatics/atheism are best method in scope....

my best method is 'continue life as normal' with those in the 'danger zone' bowing out of the public domain until a vaccine is derived.....

I'm in the camp the younger sect should be exposed ASAP to kickstart the immune system moving forward.....(yeah, I'm easily in the minority on this one...)

JMTC bubby.....

(03-14-2020 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Black Plague wiped out more people in a year than a single war. These viruses could do these types of damage to an area. We are already up to 59 dead.

Now your homework is to figure out how many people die from heart disease and car accidents in the U.S. Show your work.

(03-15-2020 06:18 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Black Plague wiped out more people in a year than a single war. These viruses could do these types of damage to an area. We are already up to 59 dead.

Now your homework is to figure out how many people die from heart disease and car accidents in the U.S. Show your work.

the only issue with that is neither are contagious other than we continue to 'grow' in numbers....

the issue with his comparison is irrelevant....the days of practicing medicine between 'then vs. now' is akin to comparing Calvin Hill to Barry Sanders...

regardless, people die from 'whatever'....if controllable, best method is to design solutions with minimum casualties....be it training, engineering, science, Rx, etc.....it doesn't matter....

what's fk'd up, is when that gets tossed out the window en macro......then ya get this.....

(03-15-2020 06:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 06:18 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Black Plague wiped out more people in a year than a single war. These viruses could do these types of damage to an area. We are already up to 59 dead.

Now your homework is to figure out how many people die from heart disease and car accidents in the U.S. Show your work.

the only issue with that is neither are contagious other than we continue to 'grow' in numbers....

the issue with his comparison is irrelevant....the days of practicing medicine between 'then vs. now' is akin to comparing Calvin Hill to Barry Sanders...

regardless, people die from 'whatever'....if controllable, best method is to design solutions with minimum casualties....be it training, engineering, science, Rx, etc.....it doesn't matter....

what's fk'd up, is when that gets tossed out the window en macro......then ya get this.....

I beg to differ. Both Heart Disease and Car Accidents may be caused by stupidity. Stupidity is Epidemic in the United States and is spread through Public Education. Stupid spreads from one person to the next in a classroom setting and then the virus of stupidity runs wild when 2 or more stupid people form an association.

Couple stupid with inattention and that pair kills millions on the highway, in the workplace, in hospitals, literally everywhere including combat.

(03-15-2020 11:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 06:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 06:18 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Black Plague wiped out more people in a year than a single war. These viruses could do these types of damage to an area. We are already up to 59 dead.

Now your homework is to figure out how many people die from heart disease and car accidents in the U.S. Show your work.

the only issue with that is neither are contagious other than we continue to 'grow' in numbers....

the issue with his comparison is irrelevant....the days of practicing medicine between 'then vs. now' is akin to comparing Calvin Hill to Barry Sanders...

regardless, people die from 'whatever'....if controllable, best method is to design solutions with minimum casualties....be it training, engineering, science, Rx, etc.....it doesn't matter....

what's fk'd up, is when that gets tossed out the window en macro......then ya get this.....

I beg to differ. Both Heart Disease and Car Accidents may be caused by stupidity. Stupidity is Epidemic in the United States and is spread through Public Education. Stupid spreads from one person to the next in a classroom setting and then the virus of stupidity runs wild when 2 or more stupid people form an association.

Couple stupid with inattention and that pair kills millions on the highway, in the workplace, in hospitals, literally everywhere including combat.

lol.....touche ole! edit: fwiw, I did give props to 'grow in numbers'....

ref: sig line 4....

(03-14-2020 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Black Plague wiped out more people in a year than a single war. These viruses could do these types of damage to an area. We are already up to 59 dead.

How many people have died of pneumonia during the same timeframe that DID NOT test positive? This number needs to be realeased today because it is known.

(03-15-2020 12:06 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Black Plague wiped out more people in a year than a single war. These viruses could do these types of damage to an area. We are already up to 59 dead.

How many people have died of pneumonia during the same timeframe that DID NOT test positive? This number needs to be realeased today because it is known.

I know I survived my bout 3 yrs. ago.....and they drained outer fluid immediately and inner fluid two days later during my 5 day stay....

trust me, you don't want to know the procedure to release the inner......(they stab ya with only a local....yeah)

let me put it to you like this.....doc says, "wow, I never seen anyone not move during this procedure." I simply said, "you have no clue what the pain was like when I crawled in....I'm stubborn like that."

I can still feel the scar tissue every time I breathe.....

I also know this......they didn't shut the fk'n country down due to muh travails.....

fk all this bs......yeah, I'm one pissed off hombre.....