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RE: Eliminating the Big 12 as a P5 Conference
(02-26-2020 01:57 PM)YNot Wrote: (02-26-2020 06:07 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: (02-26-2020 05:18 AM)schmolik Wrote: (02-26-2020 12:08 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: (02-25-2020 08:56 PM)bullet Wrote: There is another thread where the SC AD says "everything is on the table." If they wanted to create a conference that looked like the Big 10 or SEC, they would have to dump 3 or 4 members and pick up teams from the Big 12.
For example:
West
Washington
Oregon
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford (never going to be dumped-but probably doesn't add much value)
Arizona
East
Utah
Colorado
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Kansas
Then the Pac has 9 states.
6 states flagship only
1 state flagship and landgrant
1 state flagship and #3 school
1 state flagship, #2 school and 2 major privates
Top 15 states-#1, #2, #13, #14
Maybe Stanford and USC explore independence and the rest break off and partially merge with the Big 12.
Washington
Oregon
Cal
UCLA
Arizona State
Arizona
Utah
Texas
Texas Tech
TCU
Oklahoma
Kansas
Colorado
Oklahoma State
TCU covers the private school angle. Stanford and USC keep their non-revenue sports in the merged conference, plus scheduled games against their city rivals, while they explore games against ACC, Big Ten and SEC opponents.
And here's the big one: the PAC-B1G scheduling agreement is revived. With USC/Stanford removed there's no more Domer snag to pull the strings out. Everyone gets critical games in Texas and California without having to add any teams from there.
Or you can just keep USC and Stanford for a Pac-16 and move TCU to the Texas side. I'd also consider BYU instead of TCU. I think Arizona State is important. Even though Arizona is the #1 in Arizona, ASU is in the Phoenix metro and it's good to have a state school in the Phoenix area with a large student body. They'd be the one "second choice public" between the Big 12/Pac 12 I'd want most (other than A&M, who's off limits).
Cal, UCLA, USC, Stanford
Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State
Utah, BYU, Colorado, Kansas
Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Texahoma is possible by dropping TCU and Baylor. I put in the NW programs with the AZ programs so that neither gain an advantage with being put in with the CA programs. Btw, it would have to have a new name because both the Pac and Big XII names would have to be retired. Maybe Bullet's idea of buying up the WAC's trademark has merit.
The new WAC would likely have the Rose Bowl contract and perhaps a contract with the Sugar Bowl or Cotton Bowl....perhaps shared with the B1G or SEC?
Washington State and Oregon State to the MWC...where they are actually a better fit...
Boise State, Fresno State, SDSU, SJSU, Hawaii, Washington State, Oregon State
Nevada, UNLV, Utah State Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, New Mexico
The Big 12 backfills with Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and USF
TCU, Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State, Houston
WVU, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF
Athletically, Oregon State might fit better in the Mountain West, but one thing to definitely remember: Oregon State is a founding member of the Pac12. It's hard for founding members of a conference to walk away from a conference, although it has definitely been done before (the Big 12 to me is an exception. That conference has had a lot of problems!!!), and Oregon State's president has held a position of power for a long time in the PAC 12. Why would he want to give that up??? In addition, although it's been awhile, Oregon State has been to the forerunner of the CFP, the BCS, back in 2001, vs Notre Dame, who they beat in the Fiesta Bowl.
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