There was a thread about Boston College joining the Big East in all sports but football. The OP had stated that BC would stay in the ACC for football.

I said that BC wouldn't necessarily gain that much doing so but suggested West Virginia would gain more if they could do the same. So here's a new thread where we can discuss West Virginia separately.

In the case of Boston College, in the most lucrative sport outside of football (men's basketball), the ACC is clearly a better conference so moving out of there would be a step down, even with Connecticut coming back to the Big East. BC would get to play Villanova and Georgetown but they'd be giving up Duke and North Carolina along with Syracuse, an old Big East rival within reasonable driving distance. Even with the UConn women coming back, the ACC women's basketball still has Notre Dame, Louisville, NC State, and Syracuse, it's a better conference. And in terms of travel, while Boston College will lose all the trips down south to Florida, Atlanta, and the Carolinas, there's a lot of trips to the Midwest for BC including Chicago, Milwaukee, and Omaha. They probably don't gain that much travel wise for men's/women's basketball and their Olympic sports.

Now let's look at West Virginia. The Big 12 hasn't won a national championship in men's basketball since 2008. Villanova's won two since 2016 and UConn's coming back and won two since 2011 (although recently they aren't so hot). UConn coming back helps the women's basketball although Baylor is the defending women's champion. But the big advantage is travel. Of course West Virginia gains a ton in travel going from the Big 12 to the Big East. They'd be trading in Austin and Norman for Philly, Washington, and Cincinnati. They'd still have Omaha but one trip west of the river a year is way better than nine. Consider this season West Virginia in men's basketball is 1-6 in the Big 12 on the road and 6-1 at home. Coincidence?

So no doubt the Big East allows West Virginia to play in a more geographically friendly conference for its non football sports. Obviously they don't want to leave the Big 12 in football. But could they stay in the Big 12 in football and play in the Big East in other sports? Should the Big 12 allow it? Well, do the Big 12 schools really enjoy traveling to Morgantown, WV (especially in the winter) any more than West Virginia enjoys traveling to the west? Obviously in men's basketball everyone this season not named Kansas made a long trip for a loss (Baylor still has to travel there). I'm sure most of Oklahoma's and Texas's other teams don't want to go to West Virginia any more than the men's basketball team does. Keep West Virginia for football but let their other sports go to the Big East and both sides save a ton of travel miles and costs.

What makes you think the Big East would have them?

(02-23-2020 08:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  What makes you think the Big East would have them?

They wouldn't. The B-12 would take in a travel partner or 2 getting back to 12 conferences schools before that would happen.

(02-23-2020 08:46 AM)panite Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 08:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  What makes you think the Big East would have them?

They wouldn't. The B-12 would take in a travel partner or 2 getting back to 12 conferences schools before that would happen.

I'll believe the Big 12 giving West Virginia a travel partner when I see it. West Virginia's been waiting now close to a decade. Cincinnati's been waiting just as long. Temple could also be added. I don't know if UCF would help West Virginia travel wise but it would certainly put Central Florida in a P5 conference. And the Big 12 could have taken Louisville (and Cincinnati) before the ACC took Louisville (and I wish they did because had they UConn would be in the ACC right now).

West Virginia is making nearly $40 million with its present Big 12 deal. Even if the next BE deal pays $6 million annually (which is what is rumored), WVU would need an independent TV deal that pays over $30 million annually. And, even if you get more of a regional schedule for football (with a combination of Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Penn State, etc.), that doesn't replace the value lost in losing Texas and Oklahoma annually.

Even with travel costs cut down, WVU still loses a ton of revenue with such a theoretical move.

Can't see a scenario of it happening (unless the B12 implodes - but, even then, it is very unlikely).

Cincinnati is P5 ready. Then you finish it with Memphis and Fla pair for 14 to stabilize the eastern block. Baylor TCU and ISU can slip into Eastern block. I don’t think you need OU vs UT in the conference championship every year. It’s still balanced with Baylor as strong as they’ve been in both sports, almost cracking the CFP two times in 6 years. Houston and Tulane probably outside looking in, but ODU/Liberty, Marshall, Rice, FIU and FAU are good backfills for AAC.

of all the schools that were once part of the BE, WVU is probably near the bottom of the list of those the BE would want to come bacl.

As a follower of two Big East programs, I would not want West Virginia as a member. It's a fine university with strong football and basketball but it does not even remotely fit the BE model due to its location and academic approach. If the BE expands, it will work best with private universities (I strongly prefer with a Catholic affiliation) located in large cities. UConn is an exception for various and obvious reasons. Former Big East school such as WVa, VaTech and Rutgers offer a very different model than the model this iteration of the BE deploys.

Would the Big 12 be interested in this? No.

Would WV? No.

Would the Big East? No.

Good Lord I know it's the football offseason but do we have to have posts like this every day now?

(02-23-2020 10:14 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  West Virginia is making nearly $40 million with its present Big 12 deal. Even if the next BE deal pays $6 million annually (which is what is rumored), WVU would need an independent TV deal that pays over $30 million annually. And, even if you get more of a regional schedule for football (with a combination of Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Penn State, etc.), that doesn't replace the value lost in losing Texas and Oklahoma annually.

Even with travel costs cut down, WVU still loses a ton of revenue with such a theoretical move.

Can't see a scenario of it happening (unless the B12 implodes - but, even then, it is very unlikely).

I said they stay in the conference in football. So they keep whatever portion of their share of the $40 million is football.

(02-23-2020 10:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Would the Big 12 be interested in this? No.

So the alternate is the rest of the conferences' women's soccer and women's tennis teams continue to travel to Morgantown all the time? What's the point? The rest of the sports shouldn't have to suffer just to keep West Virginia's football team.

(02-23-2020 11:31 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 10:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Would the Big 12 be interested in this? No.

So the alternate is the rest of the conferences' women's soccer and women's tennis teams continue to travel to Morgantown all the time? What's the point? The rest of the sports shouldn't have to suffer just to keep West Virginia's football team.

So you are insinuating that when the B12 presidents unanimously approved adding West Virginia, they forgot to look at a map first? Or maybe they assumed that the state of West Virginia would be lifted and sent a few hundred miles southwest once their flagship university accepted a B12 invite, ya that seems more logical to me.

(02-23-2020 11:31 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 10:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Would the Big 12 be interested in this? No.

So the alternate is the rest of the conferences' women's soccer and women's tennis teams continue to travel to Morgantown all the time? What's the point? The rest of the sports shouldn't have to suffer just to keep West Virginia's football team.

Likelihoods aside, the Big 12 is only at 10 members as it is. Losing WVU would require them to shorten their conference schedule for basketball and impact their conference challenge agreements. Dropping to a 16-game conference schedule due to a lack of teams at the same time the rest of the high-majors are going to 20 games seems unattractive at best.

(02-23-2020 12:25 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 11:31 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 10:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Would the Big 12 be interested in this? No.

So the alternate is the rest of the conferences' women's soccer and women's tennis teams continue to travel to Morgantown all the time? What's the point? The rest of the sports shouldn't have to suffer just to keep West Virginia's football team.

Likelihoods aside, the Big 12 is only at 10 members as it is. Losing WVU would require them to shorten their conference schedule for basketball and impact their conference challenge agreements. Dropping to a 16-game conference schedule due to a lack of teams at the same time the rest of the high-majors are going to 20 games seems unattractive at best.

Call Creighton and/or Wichita State. Do the Big East a favor and take the western crap off their hands and they can be exclusively East of the Mississippi.

This guy wants to kick out Creighton, who easily has the best facilities and fan support across all sports in the BE, because it’s “too far west” and then wants to add West Virginia in its stead simply because of travel... You can’t make this **** up. I just had to get on here to say what a dumb***. Lol.

(02-23-2020 12:46 PM)torch Wrote:  This guy wants to kick out Creighton, who easily has the best facilities and fan support across all sports in the BE, because it’s “too far west” and then wants to add West Virginia in its stead simply because of travel... You can’t make this **** up. I just had to get on here to say what a dumb***. Lol.

And I'm being called dumb by someone who thinks instead is two words.

(02-23-2020 12:48 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 12:46 PM)torch Wrote:  This guy wants to kick out Creighton, who easily has the best facilities and fan support across all sports in the BE, because it’s “too far west” and then wants to add West Virginia in its stead simply because of travel... You can’t make this **** up. I just had to get on here to say what a dumb***. Lol.

And I'm being called dumb by someone who thinks instead is two words.

In its stead means in place of something. I didn’t try to write instead. dumb***.

(02-23-2020 10:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Would the Big 12 be interested in this? No.

Would WV? No.

Would the Big East? No.

Good Lord I know it's the football offseason but do we have to have posts like this every day now?

I'm surprised, Quo. I thought you would be eagerly anticipating tomorrow's "Should Ohio State join the Horizon League?" thread.

(02-23-2020 12:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 10:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Would the Big 12 be interested in this? No.

Would WV? No.

Would the Big East? No.

Good Lord I know it's the football offseason but do we have to have posts like this every day now?

I'm surprised, Quo. I thought you would be eagerly anticipating tomorrow's "Should Ohio State join the Horizon League?" thread.

.... and if they wanted to, should the Horizon League let them ???

(02-23-2020 12:51 PM)torch Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 12:48 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 12:46 PM)torch Wrote:  This guy wants to kick out Creighton, who easily has the best facilities and fan support across all sports in the BE, because it’s “too far west” and then wants to add West Virginia in its stead simply because of travel... You can’t make this **** up. I just had to get on here to say what a dumb***. Lol.

And I'm being called dumb by someone who thinks instead is two words.

In its stead means in place of something. I didn’t try to write instead. dumb***.

I like that you just started posting and deftly used the phrase "in its stead."

A fine start.