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(02-10-2020 05:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I think that the incoming freshmen need to stay at the school they stay sign with for 2 years before they can transfer without sitting. This proposed change is going to hurt the smaller schools, not just G5, even smaller p5 schools. The transfer portal is also hurting high school seniors, because schools are now holding on a spot for transfer or two.

I don't see it. The transfer portal utilization under the current rules has overwhelming been either P5 to P5 transfers or P5 transferring down.
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(02-17-2020 02:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 12:02 AM)chester Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 03:32 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  So what the NCAA would have us believe is that it is in a position to make a determination of "fair market value" for every instance of an athlete exercising their NIL rights, which would inherently require analyzing the facts separately in every instance? Wow!

Doesn't make any kind of sense. The market value of an athlete's NIL is whatever one is willing to pay for it. Lawsuit waiting to happen... The NCAA just can't help itself. A glutton for litigation.

In a TRUE free market, what you wrote would be true. However, it's also true that naming rights only have value if you actually USE the name or image that you paid for, correct? Yet what's to stop boosters of a school like, say, Alabama, from buying up the NIL for 85 blue chip players - most of whom they have no intention of every playing or promoting - just to keep those players away from the competition? It would be 1972 all over again...

DON'T KID YOURSELF: THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FREE MARKET ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL. IF A BLUEBLOOD TEAM CAN "BUY" A CHAMPIONSHIP, THEY WILL - AND THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GAME AT ALL.

To start, other than who ends up pocketing the money, I see little difference between boosters buying players directly and boosters luring top players by buying the best coaches and financing the "funnest" of athletic facilities-turned-amusement-park. (FTR, I'd prefer that money fall into the pockets of players since they are the ones who have been screwed over these many, many years.)

But to answer the question, to best quell your concerns, you'd need a law, of course. I don't know about Alabama, but California does have such a law.

I would suggest that you take solace in the fact that Virginia's only remaining active NIL bill is among the very few that would require affected schools to pay athletes directly (see here) if it weren't for the fact that it has no chance of passing as it's currently worded. Neither does Alabama's, FWIW.
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(02-17-2020 03:44 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Brett McMurphy‏Verified account @Brett_McMurphy


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ACC announces it “supports a one-time transfer opportunity for all student-athletes, regardless of sport. As a conference, we look forward to continuing the discussion nationally.”



12:38 PM - 17 Feb 2020

The other day, the NCAA reported that "the Division I Board of Directors asked [The Division I Committee on Academics] to explore criteria that would provide immediate eligibility at a new school for transfer students who are best prepared to succeed academically after the move.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...ligibility

Guessing that that if it ever happens, the B1G/ACC's no-restriction model would prevail?
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(02-17-2020 05:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 05:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I think that the incoming freshmen need to stay at the school they stay sign with for 2 years before they can transfer without sitting. This proposed change is going to hurt the smaller schools, not just G5, even smaller p5 schools. The transfer portal is also hurting high school seniors, because schools are now holding on a spot for transfer or two.

I don't see it. The transfer portal utilization under the current rules has overwhelming been either P5 to P5 transfers or P5 transferring down.

Yep. The AAC and MWC has utilized the portal pretty efficiently, grabbing guys from the P5 that add quality to the their program (while at the same time shedding guys that just did not pan out). It seems like the AAC schools located in good recruiting beds fair pretty well with the transfers- ie you see a lot of guys from Houston or Dallas start out at some Big 12 school transfer to UH or SMU to go back home. Here at Cincinnati we grabbed a few Ohio State guys over the past few years for the same reason.
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(02-17-2020 11:37 PM)chester Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 02:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...IF A BLUEBLOOD TEAM CAN "BUY" A CHAMPIONSHIP, THEY WILL - AND THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GAME AT ALL.

To start, other than who ends up pocketing the money, I see little difference between boosters buying players directly and boosters luring top players by buying the best coaches and financing the "funnest" of athletic facilities-turned-amusement-park. (FTR, I'd prefer that money fall into the pockets of players since they are the ones who have been screwed over these many, many years.)

But to answer the question, to best quell your concerns, you'd need a law, of course. I don't know about Alabama, but California does have such a law.

I would suggest that you take solace in the fact that Virginia's only remaining active NIL bill is among the very few that would require affected schools to pay athletes directly (see here) if it weren't for the fact that it has no chance of passing as it's currently worded. Neither does Alabama's, FWIW.

1. I agree with you - I'd rather the money go to the players than to coaches and contractors.
2. In the end I doubt state laws will matter - this thing is eventually going to be a federal law (for consistency)
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(02-17-2020 05:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 05:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I think that the incoming freshmen need to stay at the school they stay sign with for 2 years before they can transfer without sitting. This proposed change is going to hurt the smaller schools, not just G5, even smaller p5 schools. The transfer portal is also hurting high school seniors, because schools are now holding on a spot for transfer or two.

I don't see it. The transfer portal utilization under the current rules has overwhelming been either P5 to P5 transfers or P5 transferring down.

Yep. The AAC and MWC has utilized the portal pretty efficiently, grabbing guys from the P5 that add quality to the their program (while at the same time shedding guys that just did not pan out). It seems like the AAC schools located in good recruiting beds fair pretty well with the transfers- ie you see a lot of guys from Houston or Dallas start out at some Big 12 school transfer to UH or SMU to go back home. Here at Cincinnati we grabbed a few Ohio State guys over the past few years for the same reason.

Yep. Lots of P5-to-G5 transfers seem to be about getting more playing time - which is totally logical and understandable.
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(02-17-2020 05:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 05:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I think that the incoming freshmen need to stay at the school they stay sign with for 2 years before they can transfer without sitting. This proposed change is going to hurt the smaller schools, not just G5, even smaller p5 schools. The transfer portal is also hurting high school seniors, because schools are now holding on a spot for transfer or two.

I don't see it. The transfer portal utilization under the current rules has overwhelming been either P5 to P5 transfers or P5 transferring down.

Exactly. It has NOT drained talent away from the G5 to the P5. If anything, the opposite has occurred. Schools like SMU are now stocked with P5 transfers.

On balance, the portal has added talent to the G5 at P5 expense, as guys who thought they were too good for the G5 during recruiting find out they are 3rd on P5-State's depth chart and would rather immediately start now for a G5 instead.
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(02-18-2020 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 05:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 05:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I think that the incoming freshmen need to stay at the school they stay sign with for 2 years before they can transfer without sitting. This proposed change is going to hurt the smaller schools, not just G5, even smaller p5 schools. The transfer portal is also hurting high school seniors, because schools are now holding on a spot for transfer or two.

I don't see it. The transfer portal utilization under the current rules has overwhelming been either P5 to P5 transfers or P5 transferring down.

Exactly. It has NOT drained talent away from the G5 to the P5. If anything, the opposite has occurred. Schools like SMU are now stocked with P5 transfers.

On balance, the portal has added talent to the G5 at P5 expense, as guys who thought they were too good for the G5 during recruiting find out they are 3rd on P5-State's depth chart and would rather immediately start now for a G5 instead.

Somebody did an analysis of all the transfers on a Coog site. What was shocking was the vast majority of the transfers from P5 and G5 schools were not landing anywhere in FBS (something like 80% of the transfers). In other words---they were largely going to FCS. That seemed surprising---but then---thats also where they didnt have to sit out a year.

If you dont have to sit out a year---and you're talking about players with multiple years to play---I dont know if we can really look at the past activity in the portal as predictive of the how a "instantly eligible" portal might play out. It might be like you say---it might not. The P5 attitude toward the portal might change---and more kids might use the portal. The P5 might see it as an excellent place to fill holes for the next season if the players coming in will be immediately available and most will have 2 or 3 years left to play. Plucking G5 stars might be a great strategy to quickly retool after a poor year. With no one year penalty---kids may be far more interested in moving to a P5 to improve their NFL value.

Like I said earlier---If Im a G5 coach---Im filling as much of my roster as possible from the portal. That guarantees that whoever I bring in will be here a while (can only transfer without sitting out once) and gives my roster consistency and guaranteed returning experienced players. Plus, I get players that are already a year older who have had a year in a college nutrition/weight training program. Thats an advantage over having 25 of my roster slots taken up by incoming HS freshman who probably cant contribute this year.
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A Dennis Dodd piece with some reaction from college sources about the issues involved and where it may be heading. One conclusion these sources had I found surprising--they think FCS and lower end P5 schools will be the hardest hit by the change. I would think the G5 would be the hardest hit in terms of losing star power. The other thing I hadnt considered this article mentions----the last week or so of fall camp just prior to the deadline for registration for school could end up being a HUGE talent free for all with players who lost out of position battles seeking slots where they can start immediately. You may see a similar talent shuffle in May after spring practices.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ue-sports/
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(02-20-2020 04:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A Dennis Dodd piece with some reaction from college sources about the issues involved and where it may be heading. Once conclusion these sources had I found surprising--they think FCS and lower end P5 schools will be the hardest hit by the change. I would think the G5 would be the hardest hit in terms of losing star power.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ue-sports/

I can see that. If you are a player who emerges from 2 star to 4 star playing at say Temple, Troy or Utah State, you'll transfer to a B1G, SEC or P12 school to be seen as an elite player for the NFL. SJSU lost Brandon Clarke to Gonzaga in Basketball, so yeah I see that type of transfer in Football coming.

But I still support it. I think players, just like regular students, should be able to change their school in hopes of improving their professional careers to follow. The restrictions are artificial attempts to control players for the benefit of coaches who recruit them out of HS -- like being trapped in a record contract that only benefits the producer.

Freedom of movement is long overdue and every player's right.
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(02-20-2020 04:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 04:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A Dennis Dodd piece with some reaction from college sources about the issues involved and where it may be heading. Once conclusion these sources had I found surprising--they think FCS and lower end P5 schools will be the hardest hit by the change. I would think the G5 would be the hardest hit in terms of losing star power.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ue-sports/

I can see that. If you are a player who emerges from 2 star to 4 star playing at say Temple, Troy or Utah State, you'll transfer to a B1G, SEC or P12 school to be seen as an elite player for the NFL. SJSU lost Brandon Clarke to Gonzaga in Basketball, so yeah I see that type of transfer in Football coming.

But I still support it. I think players, just like regular students, should be able to change their school in hopes of improving their professional careers to follow. The restrictions are artificial attempts to control players for the benefit of coaches who recruit them out of HS -- like being trapped in a record contract that only benefits the producer.

Freedom of movement is long overdue and every player's right.

I dont really care if they do it---they just need to think it out. Transfers are going to become FAR more common if there is no penalty. So, you need to allow schools losing kids to transfer to reclaim those lost scholarships in the current year so they can quickly rebuild their numbers. So, if you lose 4 kids to transfer, you now have 29 scholarships to give that year instead of 25. If you lose 26 players after a coach leaves---you'd have 51 scholarships to give that year (subject to the 85 total scholarship cap of course). A rule like this is going to be incredibly important at schools where a coach gets poached and the team suffers a mass exodus of players. Thats going to happen fairly regularly I suspect.
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(02-20-2020 04:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A Dennis Dodd piece with some reaction from college sources about the issues involved and where it may be heading. One conclusion these sources had I found surprising--they think FCS and lower end P5 schools will be the hardest hit by the change. I would think the G5 would be the hardest hit in terms of losing star power. The other thing I hadnt considered this article mentions----the last week or so of fall camp just prior to the deadline for registration for school could end up being a HUGE talent free for all with players who lost out of position battles seeking slots where they can start immediately. You may see a similar talent shuffle in May after spring practices.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ue-sports/

Dud might be right about that. Coaches probably know the players in their own conference best, and they've already seen them perform against the same competition they would see if they transferred. It's not hard to imagine LSU having a couple of linebackers get injured or turn pro, and the first linebacker who comes to their coaches' minds is a kid playing really well at Arkansas.

But why not? The linebacker coach at Arkansas is free to leave and go to LSU without sitting out a year, so there is no legitimate reason to make the Arkansas linebacker sit out a year when making the same move.
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I am starting to think that players might not be redshirted anymore. Between players players going pro early or transferring out to the portal(for playing time or going to a bigger name school), why would the school not want to have the player available. Schools will need those scholarships available. Newly signed recruits need a way out if the coach leaves before they even play a game. We need to think about other sports besides football. Could be a big deal in basketball with the much smaller rosters.
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(02-20-2020 06:00 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I am starting to think that players might not be redshirted anymore. Between players players going pro early or transferring out to the portal(for playing time or going to a bigger name school), why would the school not want to have the player available. Schools will need those scholarships available. Newly signed recruits need a way out if the coach leaves before they even play a game. We need to think about other sports besides football. Could be a big deal in basketball with the much smaller rosters.

Thats what Ive been saying---unless your Bama---its too risky to recruit and develop high schools kids who are likley to leave if they pan out to be talented players. With these rules, I'd fill my 25 scholarships per year from the portal and Id only take HS kids for slots where I simply cant find what I need in the portal. Let somebody else feed and strength train them and I'll grab em when they are bigger, faster, and more ready to contribute than the typical incoming HS freshman. While other teams are wasting 25 scholarship slots on kids who wont likley contribute this year, I'll have a full compliment of 85 kids that could potentially contribute and a much lower risk of losing kids to transfer (because all my kids have used up their one "instantly eligible" transfer. I think that will lead to a much more consistent program with a higher percentage of experienced returning players---and a program that is more resistant to mass exodus if you have a popular successful coach poached.

If you are a school thats a popular location for portal kids---you can make some hay using that strategy.
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(02-20-2020 05:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 04:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 04:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A Dennis Dodd piece with some reaction from college sources about the issues involved and where it may be heading. Once conclusion these sources had I found surprising--they think FCS and lower end P5 schools will be the hardest hit by the change. I would think the G5 would be the hardest hit in terms of losing star power.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ue-sports/

I can see that. If you are a player who emerges from 2 star to 4 star playing at say Temple, Troy or Utah State, you'll transfer to a B1G, SEC or P12 school to be seen as an elite player for the NFL. SJSU lost Brandon Clarke to Gonzaga in Basketball, so yeah I see that type of transfer in Football coming.

But I still support it. I think players, just like regular students, should be able to change their school in hopes of improving their professional careers to follow. The restrictions are artificial attempts to control players for the benefit of coaches who recruit them out of HS -- like being trapped in a record contract that only benefits the producer.

Freedom of movement is long overdue and every player's right.

I dont really care if they do it---they just need to think it out. Transfers are going to become FAR more common if there is no penalty. So, you need to allow schools losing kids to transfer to reclaim those lost scholarships in the current year so they can quickly rebuild their numbers. So, if you lose 4 kids to transfer, you now have 29 scholarships to give that year instead of 25. If you lose 26 players after a coach leaves---you'd have 51 scholarships to give that year (subject to the 85 total scholarship cap of course). A rule like this is going to be incredibly important at schools where a coach gets poached and the team suffers a mass exodus of players. Thats going to happen fairly regularly I suspect.

If you are losing a lot of players you are doing something wrong. You shouldn't be rewarded for that. What you are proposing would encourage pushing kids into the portal.
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(02-17-2020 05:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 05:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I think that the incoming freshmen need to stay at the school they stay sign with for 2 years before they can transfer without sitting. This proposed change is going to hurt the smaller schools, not just G5, even smaller p5 schools. The transfer portal is also hurting high school seniors, because schools are now holding on a spot for transfer or two.

I don't see it. The transfer portal utilization under the current rules has overwhelming been either P5 to P5 transfers or P5 transferring down.

If anything this will only help G5 schools get players that transfer down.
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(02-17-2020 05:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 05:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I think that the incoming freshmen need to stay at the school they stay sign with for 2 years before they can transfer without sitting. This proposed change is going to hurt the smaller schools, not just G5, even smaller p5 schools. The transfer portal is also hurting high school seniors, because schools are now holding on a spot for transfer or two.

I don't see it. The transfer portal utilization under the current rules has overwhelming been either P5 to P5 transfers or P5 transferring down.

It’s actually overwhelmingly been a FBS to FCS portal (something like 80% of the players are not finding another FBS landings spot). That seemed odd to me until I realized—-that’s the only place that a player could go and not have to sit out a year. So, I’m not all that sure we can assume the portal results won’t change when the rules change. It may be we see a huge change in where kids land once this rule change starts.

Also if the transfers aren’t addressed as part of a variable annual scholarship limit, your going to see several teams get the quasi death penalty when they have a successful coach get poached and the talented roster the coach built floods to the exits. Lose 30-40 players to the portal, plus normal graduation and attrition, how can a team ever catch up after such a talent drain? The NCAA must allow schools that lose a player to transfer to add that scholarship to the annual 25. If you lose 10 players to transfer, then you have 35 scholarships to give that year rather than 25. If you lose 30 to transfer after a coach leaves, then you have 55 scholarships to give that year (subject to the 85 scholarship limit of course). This gives schools the ability to properly rebuild their numbers quickly after an exodus—-otherwise—what coach in his right mind would take that rebuilding job?
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(02-21-2020 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 05:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 04:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 04:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A Dennis Dodd piece with some reaction from college sources about the issues involved and where it may be heading. Once conclusion these sources had I found surprising--they think FCS and lower end P5 schools will be the hardest hit by the change. I would think the G5 would be the hardest hit in terms of losing star power.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ue-sports/

I can see that. If you are a player who emerges from 2 star to 4 star playing at say Temple, Troy or Utah State, you'll transfer to a B1G, SEC or P12 school to be seen as an elite player for the NFL. SJSU lost Brandon Clarke to Gonzaga in Basketball, so yeah I see that type of transfer in Football coming.

But I still support it. I think players, just like regular students, should be able to change their school in hopes of improving their professional careers to follow. The restrictions are artificial attempts to control players for the benefit of coaches who recruit them out of HS -- like being trapped in a record contract that only benefits the producer.

Freedom of movement is long overdue and every player's right.

I dont really care if they do it---they just need to think it out. Transfers are going to become FAR more common if there is no penalty. So, you need to allow schools losing kids to transfer to reclaim those lost scholarships in the current year so they can quickly rebuild their numbers. So, if you lose 4 kids to transfer, you now have 29 scholarships to give that year instead of 25. If you lose 26 players after a coach leaves---you'd have 51 scholarships to give that year (subject to the 85 total scholarship cap of course). A rule like this is going to be incredibly important at schools where a coach gets poached and the team suffers a mass exodus of players. Thats going to happen fairly regularly I suspect.

If you are losing a lot of players you are doing something wrong. You shouldn't be rewarded for that. What you are proposing would encourage pushing kids into the portal.

That’s not true at all. If a G5 loses a highly successful coach that built a highly talented roster, it’s going to become very typical for those players to look around and check out thier options. Their losing the guy that recruited them and are getting a new coach regardless. The truth is, by transferring—it’s almost like getting to select their replacent coach. If you no longer have to sit out a year, I suspect having a successful coach is going to be devastating to a G5 program in 2 ways now—you’ll not only lose the coach—-but you’ll also lose most of the talent on the roster. I expect many of these teams to go from the upper end of the G5 to FCS transition team in terms of quality in a single off season unless something is done to create a relationship between transfers and annual scholarship limits.

If your concerned about pushing kids to the portal—so what? If a coach thinks a kid is a wasted slot—the kid should want to go to a place he might have a better chance to see the field (and prove that coach wrong). If a kid can transfer when he wants, I’d be ok with coach being able to dump players they don’t want. Heck, aren’t the players suing asking the courts to institute full free agent pay for play rules? Well, welcome to pro ball. When your getting paid and you aren’t good, you get cut. That’s how pay for play works in the real world. Be careful what you wish for.
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RE: Big 10 Proposal Would Allow Anyone To Transfer Anywhere Without Sitting Out a Year
(02-21-2020 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If a G5 loses a highly successful coach that built a highly talented roster, it’s going to become very typical for those players to look around and check out thier options.

There is no reason to think that this would only be true for G5 teams.

Take the current situation at Mississippi State, for example. Their new head coach runs an offense that is radically different from that of the previous head coach. Players who don't fit, or think they don't fit, into Leach's offense are very likely to see if they can find a better fit elsewhere.

And there's nothing wrong with that, just like there's nothing wrong with a FedEx employee who doesn't like the new boss checking out job openings at UPS.

(02-21-2020 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When your getting paid and you aren’t good, you get cut.

College athletes today are NOT getting paid and ARE getting cut. Scholarships are not renewed, and the athletes either transfer out or "retire" from their sport. Happens all the time, on the best teams and on struggling teams.
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RE: Big 10 Proposal Would Allow Anyone To Transfer Anywhere Without Sitting Out a Year
(02-18-2020 12:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 05:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 05:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I think that the incoming freshmen need to stay at the school they stay sign with for 2 years before they can transfer without sitting. This proposed change is going to hurt the smaller schools, not just G5, even smaller p5 schools. The transfer portal is also hurting high school seniors, because schools are now holding on a spot for transfer or two.

I don't see it. The transfer portal utilization under the current rules has overwhelming been either P5 to P5 transfers or P5 transferring down.

Exactly. It has NOT drained talent away from the G5 to the P5. If anything, the opposite has occurred. Schools like SMU are now stocked with P5 transfers.

On balance, the portal has added talent to the G5 at P5 expense, as guys who thought they were too good for the G5 during recruiting find out they are 3rd on P5-State's depth chart and would rather immediately start now for a G5 instead.

Somebody did an analysis of all the transfers on a Coog site. What was shocking was the vast majority of the transfers from P5 and G5 schools were not landing anywhere in FBS (something like 80% of the transfers). In other words---they were largely going to FCS. That seemed surprising---but then---thats also where they didnt have to sit out a year.

If you dont have to sit out a year---and you're talking about players with multiple years to play---I dont know if we can really look at the past activity in the portal as predictive of the how a "instantly eligible" portal might play out. It might be like you say---it might not. The P5 attitude toward the portal might change---and more kids might use the portal. The P5 might see it as an excellent place to fill holes for the next season if the players coming in will be immediately available and most will have 2 or 3 years left to play. Plucking G5 stars might be a great strategy to quickly retool after a poor year. With no one year penalty---kids may be far more interested in moving to a P5 to improve their NFL value.

Like I said earlier---If Im a G5 coach---Im filling as much of my roster as possible from the portal. That guarantees that whoever I bring in will be here a while (can only transfer without sitting out once) and gives my roster consistency and guaranteed returning experienced players. Plus, I get players that are already a year older who have had a year in a college nutrition/weight training program. Thats an advantage over having 25 of my roster slots taken up by incoming HS freshman who probably cant contribute this year.

Good points. I think SMU has provided a kind of template for that. They got good quick by being opportunistic and aggressive with P5 transfers. I hope USF took notice, LOL.
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