These things are never perfect (for example, is it necessarily a good thing that Northwestern's offensive production is returning given how bad they were on offense last season?), but it certainly seems to portend good things for ECU, Houston's defense and Tulsa's offense. Lots to replace on Tulsa's defense and Tulane's offense.

I also like seeing so many of our schools in that northeastern quadrant...

USFFan

(02-21-2020 09:25 AM)usffan Wrote:  

These things are never perfect (for example, is it necessarily a good thing that Northwestern's offensive production is returning given how bad they were on offense last season?), but it certainly seems to portend good things for ECU, Houston's defense and Tulsa's offense. Lots to replace on Tulsa's defense and Tulane's offense.

I also like seeing so many of our schools in that northeastern quadrant...

USFFan

Cautiously optimistic we will hit that 6-6 mark on our long slow road to recovery.

TBH I can't even find Cincinnati on this graph. The loss of Warren hurts, but our back field is still load with Doaks, McClelland, ,Montgomery and possibly Jerome Ford (Alabama transfer). We also have some nice new toys at WR. Defense will be very strong once again with entire 2 deep on the DL and a loaded secondary (plus James Wiggins is back from injury).

(02-21-2020 09:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  TBH I can't even find Cincinnati on this graph. The loss of Warren hurts, but our back field is still load with Doaks, McClelland, ,Montgomery and possibly Jerome Ford (Alabama transfer). We also have some nice new toys at WR. Defense will be very strong once again with entire 2 deep on the DL and a loaded secondary (plus James Wiggins is back from injury).

Yeah, I was afraid to say anything and get called out for not recognizing a secondary logo or something. My bet is that you're in that group around the 70% offensive production and ~60% defensive production. For example, you can barely make out the BYU logo in there. Alternatively, there's another cluster where you can see both the USF and UCF logos, and they could have buried you guys under there, too...

USFFan

Defensive production wise UC brings back 9 starters.


UC is in the clump with Memphis and UCF to the right of USF. You can just see the top of the CPaw

(02-21-2020 09:48 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Defensive production wise UC brings back 9 starters.


UC is in the clump with Memphis and UCF to the right of USF. You can just see the top of the CPaw

Good call. You can see 3 of the toes just above the Memphis M. I missed that until you said it.

USFFan

(02-21-2020 09:48 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Defensive production wise UC brings back 9 starters.


UC is in the clump with Memphis and UCF to the right of USF. You can just see the top of the CPaw

Thanks for finding it. I figured it was in one of those clusters.

The fact that LSU ranked so low probably tells you something about the predictive power of this graph:-)

(02-21-2020 09:56 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  The fact that LSU ranked so low probably tells you something about the predictive power of this graph:-)

The early predictions for next year all have LSU ranked in the top 10. Losing a lot of elite players doesn't hurt as much with some programs and keeping crappy players doesn't help us much with others.

(02-21-2020 09:27 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:25 AM)usffan Wrote:  

These things are never perfect (for example, is it necessarily a good thing that Northwestern's offensive production is returning given how bad they were on offense last season?), but it certainly seems to portend good things for ECU, Houston's defense and Tulsa's offense. Lots to replace on Tulsa's defense and Tulane's offense.

I also like seeing so many of our schools in that northeastern quadrant...

USFFan

Cautiously optimistic we will hit that 6-6 mark on our long slow road to recovery.

I will gladly take 6-6 on the way to recovery and sustainability.

(02-21-2020 10:13 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:27 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:25 AM)usffan Wrote:  

These things are never perfect (for example, is it necessarily a good thing that Northwestern's offensive production is returning given how bad they were on offense last season?), but it certainly seems to portend good things for ECU, Houston's defense and Tulsa's offense. Lots to replace on Tulsa's defense and Tulane's offense.

I also like seeing so many of our schools in that northeastern quadrant...

USFFan

Cautiously optimistic we will hit that 6-6 mark on our long slow road to recovery.

I will gladly take 6-6 on the way to recovery and sustainability.

Curious how up to date the data is on this. Our last returning defensive line starter (that definitely counted into production) got arrested a few days ago and is gone. We've had three players dismissed that entered the portal, although none of them had a meaningful amount of snaps. Tay Williams has a lot of snaps in one game-ish.

Anyway, just curious if this was as of a week ago, yesterday, end of the season?

Would also be curious to see this graph from last season, just to see how telling the data is.

Accurate for Temple in that we lose several key defensive players to graduation and lose one transfer. Our offense was meh last year but we bring back most of it.

I didn’t know we had a Fulmer Cup entry already this offseason.

After looking more, I have even more questions. Anyone else notice that there are quite a few, seemingly coincidental, geographic groupings on this table?

Examples:
-Washington/Washington State/Oregon/Oregon State
-Michigan/Eastern Michigan/Western Michigan/Michigan State
-Pittsburgh/Penn State/WVU/Marshall/UConn/Buffalo(that's a bigger area, I know)
-Fresno/San Jose/SDSU
-Tulane/LSU
-UNCCH/NC State/Coastal Carolina/App State
-MiamiOhio/Akron
-Southern Miss/South Alabama
-OU/Texas Tech
-Memphis/Kentucky/Tennessee/Louisville/Cincinnati
-Army/Syracuse
-USF/UCF

(02-21-2020 10:18 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 10:13 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:27 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:25 AM)usffan Wrote:  

These things are never perfect (for example, is it necessarily a good thing that Northwestern's offensive production is returning given how bad they were on offense last season?), but it certainly seems to portend good things for ECU, Houston's defense and Tulsa's offense. Lots to replace on Tulsa's defense and Tulane's offense.

I also like seeing so many of our schools in that northeastern quadrant...

USFFan

Cautiously optimistic we will hit that 6-6 mark on our long slow road to recovery.

I will gladly take 6-6 on the way to recovery and sustainability.

Curious how up to date the data is on this. Our last returning defensive line starter (that definitely counted into production) got arrested a few days ago and is gone. We've had three players dismissed that entered the portal, although none of them had a meaningful amount of snaps. Tay Williams has a lot of snaps in one game-ish.

Anyway, just curious if this was as of a week ago, yesterday, end of the season?

Would also be curious to see this graph from last season, just to see how telling the data is.

Great points. I don't put much faith in this or any other indicator, far too many variables, as you brought up.

here are numbers if you dont like charts

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ction-2020
3. Houston
4. ECU
29. Memphis
31. Cincinnati
36. USF
38. UCF
70. SMU
75. Tulsa
87. Navy
95. Temple
122. Tulane

Cincinnati, Memphis and UCF all top third in returning production. That's quite the triumvirate at the top of the AAC.

(02-21-2020 12:08 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Cincinnati, Memphis and UCF all top third in returning production. That's quite the triumvirate at the top of the AAC.

True. If you're returning good players I think this may actually matter.

(02-21-2020 03:37 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 12:08 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Cincinnati, Memphis and UCF all top third in returning production. That's quite the triumvirate at the top of the AAC.

True. If you're returning good players I think this may actually matter.

UCF’s defense should be much better this year, our front 7 should be fantastic, our offense should be good as well, although Gabe Davis is gone so we’ll see how that impacts us.

(02-21-2020 12:08 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Cincinnati, Memphis and UCF all top third in returning production. That's quite the triumvirate at the top of the AAC.

I think anyone who is being objective has to say those 3 will be fighting for the AAC title and the NY6 slot.