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RE: 5’ 7” Guards...
I cant believe he is 6' because that would mean every guard he plays against is 6'7 because clearly they are most of a head taller than he is. So either every guard on every team we have played against is Penny, or ALo is claiming to be 6'.
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(02-18-2020 05:01 PM)tball Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:33 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 01:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 12:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Small guards can be effective...Alo definitely can because he has weight. Tyler is just too physically small and other teams just seek him out on defense and go at him...Tylers only defense is to flop and hope for a call.

Where do you get Alo being 6'? I'm pretty sure he us 5'9". That's a big difference.


Auburn has had two different 6' guards just like Alo the past two years and have been extremely successful. The issue with Alo is not his size it is his skill level and the risks he takes.

Alo as a senior is going to be a very good player.

Harper is on an NBA roster this year... Alo is not anywhere near NBA talent.

I do think that he can be an effective player so long as he is not "the guard". He is a role player and those can be immensely valuable in building a sustainable winning program. But if he is the our best guard until he graduates then we will be in trouble...

My point bring up the Auburn guards is it is not a height issue...

Alo is the same height as Chris Paul...Nowhere near the skillset but same height and probably a little thicker. His size is not what is hindering his ability...6' guards can be very effective.

They can, he can't.
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RE: 5’ 7” Guards...
(02-14-2020 06:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:15 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 11:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 11:14 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Mugsy Bougus was 5 ft 8 and he played over 10 yrs in the NBA,
Wizards passed on karl malone to pick this Dude. Mugsy could steal, assist and Bust a Deep Ball.
Tiny Archibal had a decent game for a short Dude, I believe he even won the dunk contest, plus the Dude could Bust from anywhere on the court.

This applies just about as much as the David/Goliath comparison.

You see a Mugsy on our court? I certainly don't.

We dont know yet. Alo is only going to get better.

Hard not to play basketball everyday and not improve some, but you wont see much more improvement. He is just about at his ceiling.

This will be a good one to flag and revisit in 2 years.
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(02-20-2020 05:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 06:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:15 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 11:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 11:14 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Mugsy Bougus was 5 ft 8 and he played over 10 yrs in the NBA,
Wizards passed on karl malone to pick this Dude. Mugsy could steal, assist and Bust a Deep Ball.
Tiny Archibal had a decent game for a short Dude, I believe he even won the dunk contest, plus the Dude could Bust from anywhere on the court.

This applies just about as much as the David/Goliath comparison.

You see a Mugsy on our court? I certainly don't.

We dont know yet. Alo is only going to get better.

Hard not to play basketball everyday and not improve some, but you wont see much more improvement. He is just about at his ceiling.

This will be a good one to flag and revisit in 2 years.

Please do. Like I said, there will be some improvement, but he will never be a great college player. Andre Allen, which is good in it's own right.
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RE: 5’ 7” Guards...
Versus SMU, Memphis guards (Baugh, Alo, Tyler) played a collective 63 mins for a total of 3 points on 1 for 16 shooting and 7 TOs.

That's a recipe for disaster.
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(02-25-2020 11:56 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Versus SMU, Memphis guards (Baugh, Alo, Tyler) played a collective 63 mins for a total of 3 points on 1 for 16 shooting and 7 TOs.

That's a recipe for disaster.

Almost impossible to believe.
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(02-25-2020 11:56 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Versus SMU, Memphis guards (Baugh, Alo, Tyler) played a collective 63 mins for a total of 3 points on 1 for 16 shooting and 7 TOs.

That's a recipe for disaster.

5 of the 7 turnovers were Alo's. We need to go with Baugh and Boogie and sit Alo and Harris. At least there is hope with Baugh and Boogie and they play better D. Alo and Harris are just too limited. Defensively Alo is overrated. He cheats off of his man too much. Harris is just overmatched on D because of his size.
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(02-26-2020 08:50 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 11:56 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Versus SMU, Memphis guards (Baugh, Alo, Tyler) played a collective 63 mins for a total of 3 points on 1 for 16 shooting and 7 TOs.

That's a recipe for disaster.

5 of the 7 turnovers were Alo's. We need to go with Baugh and Boogie and sit Alo and Harris. At least there is hope with Baugh and Boogie and they play better D. Alo and Harris are just too limited. Defensively Alo is overrated. He cheats off of his man too much. Harris is just overmatched on D because of his size.

But we hear 78 times each game from the announcers how Penny trusts Alo more than any other player on the roster, so he is not riding the pine.
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(02-25-2020 11:56 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Versus SMU, Memphis guards (Baugh, Alo, Tyler) played a collective 63 mins for a total of 3 points on 1 for 16 shooting and 7 TOs.

That's a recipe for disaster.

I have no idea why Penny went with Tyler over Lance at the end of that game.

Baugh +8
Lance +8

Harris -6
Precious -3
Boogie -7
Q - 6
Lomax - 15 (Just Terrible)
Maurice - 12(Baaaad)
Malcolm - 4

Best Lineup which seems consistent is the starting lineup +7
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Playing Alo & Harris reminds me of youth league BB where the coach & asst coaches's sons are going to get the minutes regardless of the other talent on the team. Just seems Penny can't see past the relationships.
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(02-26-2020 10:29 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Playing Alo & Harris reminds me of youth league BB where the coach & asst coaches's sons are going to get the minutes regardless of the other talent on the team. Just seems Penny can't see past the relationships.

The last 9 games:

Alo lineups playing without Harris are + 14 in

Alo lineups are -20 with an offensive efficiency of .9509

Harris lineups are -28 with .8775 offensive efficiency (Worse on the team)

Harris lineups without Alo are -6

Lineups with Harris and Alo together is -34

Best on the team is Baugh with a +41...But Baugh has the advantage of most of his minutes coming with the starting lineup (Starting Lineup +18)

Just for reference...Precious Lineups with Harris are -22 (Precious No Harris is +42) Harris is killing us out there.
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(02-26-2020 10:48 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 10:29 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Playing Alo & Harris reminds me of youth league BB where the coach & asst coaches's sons are going to get the minutes regardless of the other talent on the team. Just seems Penny can't see past the relationships.

The last 9 games:

Alo lineups playing without Harris is + 14 in

Alo lineups are -20 with an offensive efficiency of .9509

Harris is -28 with .8775 offensive efficiency (Worse on the team)

Harris without Alo is -6

Lineups with Harris and Alo together is -34

Best on the team is Baugh with a +41...But Baugh has the advantage of most of his minutes coming with the starting lineup (Starting Lineup +18)

With Alo he either seems really good or really bad. When he is good he looks like the floor general we need. He seems to do that for two or three game stretches and then reverts back to trying to be a Michael Jordan for a few games. It is during those games he holds the ball, drives with nowhere to go, throws up impossible shots around the rim and so on. Well, what we saw last night...
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(02-26-2020 10:57 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 10:48 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 10:29 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Playing Alo & Harris reminds me of youth league BB where the coach & asst coaches's sons are going to get the minutes regardless of the other talent on the team. Just seems Penny can't see past the relationships.

The last 9 games:

Alo lineups playing without Harris is + 14 in

Alo lineups are -20 with an offensive efficiency of .9509

Harris is -28 with .8775 offensive efficiency (Worse on the team)

Harris without Alo is -6

Lineups with Harris and Alo together is -34

Best on the team is Baugh with a +41...But Baugh has the advantage of most of his minutes coming with the starting lineup (Starting Lineup +18)

With Alo he either seems really good or really bad. When he is good he looks like the floor general we need. He seems to do that for two or three game stretches and then reverts back to trying to be a Michael Jordan for a few games. It is during those games he holds the ball, drives with nowhere to go, throws up impossible shots around the rim and so on. Well, what we saw last night...

yep and when he does have a good game or even a good run it is because he is keeping things simple. But as soon as he does something good, it seems to go to his head and then he breaks out the Jordan moves. SEE I TOLD YOU I COULD MAKE A LAYUP NOW WATCH THIS!
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Do you guys remember Andre Turnover? Took him several years to get it.

Not saying we should give Alo more minutes. Just saying.
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(02-26-2020 01:24 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Do you guys remember Andre Turnover? Took him several years to get it.

Of course, everyone realizes that ALo and Harris will never be Andre Turner. I mean, just because they turn the ball over a lot doesnt make them Andre Turner.



That would be like saying "Michael Jordan didnt start his freshman year in college so anyone who doesnt start as a freshman will be Michael Jordan."

I actually dont know if Jordan started or not as a freshman but the point remains the same.
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(02-26-2020 10:29 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Playing Alo & Harris reminds me of youth league BB where the coach & asst coaches's sons are going to get the minutes regardless of the other talent on the team. Just seems Penny can't see past the relationships.

I think that's a bit much.
Alo and Harris have definitely helped win us games this year.
And as our "experience" it's not crazy to think they can help us win more.
Hindsight is great for Monday Morning QBs though.
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(02-26-2020 04:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 10:29 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Playing Alo & Harris reminds me of youth league BB where the coach & asst coaches's sons are going to get the minutes regardless of the other talent on the team. Just seems Penny can't see past the relationships.

I think that's a bit much.
Alo and Harris have definitely helped win us games this year.
And as our "experience" it's not crazy to think they can help us win more.
Hindsight is great for Monday Morning QBs though.

It's not like I just made this statement after Alo's bad game at SMU. Been saying it all season. Alo & Harris should be subs for Baugh & Boogie - they have shown over 2 seasons they are complimentary players not floor generals who can right the ship & keep an offense moving reliably throughout our games - and their perimeter D is a liability. Penny has on several occasions pulled Baugh &/or Boogie in the last 5-10 mins of games when Boogie &/or Baugh are playing well. And this when Baugh & Boogie clearly have the higher potential for success, yet they don't get the experience when & where it's needed most. Penny's trust in Alo is based upon his prior relationship & not his floor time at Memphis & that should not be the criteria.
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(02-26-2020 01:27 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 01:24 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Do you guys remember Andre Turnover? Took him several years to get it.

Of course, everyone realizes that ALo and Harris will never be Andre Turner. I mean, just because they turn the ball over a lot doesnt make them Andre Turner.



That would be like saying "Michael Jordan didnt start his freshman year in college so anyone who doesnt start as a freshman will be Michael Jordan."

I actually dont know if Jordan started or not as a freshman but the point remains the same.

Pick a point guard. Any point guard. Now remove all of those that had leaders ahead of them and were allowed to grow into their role. Now who is left? Not many that were not still making mistakes as sophomores.

I have not been kind to ALo this year, and I still cannot believe the moves where he leaves his feet with nowhere to go with the ball, that is PG 101 in my opinion. However, to deny the vast improvement from last year to this year is just being willfully blind to his advancement. Not perfect, never will be, but a vastly improved PG that one could easily surmise will continue that trajectory. I would put money on it, and I still believe he will be one of the best PGs we have had, and that is saying a lot.
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(02-26-2020 05:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 04:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 10:29 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Playing Alo & Harris reminds me of youth league BB where the coach & asst coaches's sons are going to get the minutes regardless of the other talent on the team. Just seems Penny can't see past the relationships.

I think that's a bit much.
Alo and Harris have definitely helped win us games this year.
And as our "experience" it's not crazy to think they can help us win more.
Hindsight is great for Monday Morning QBs though.

It's not like I just made this statement after Alo's bad game at SMU. Been saying it all season. Alo & Harris should be subs for Baugh & Boogie - they have shown over 2 seasons they are complimentary players not floor generals who can right the ship & keep an offense moving reliably throughout our games - and their perimeter D is a liability. Penny has on several occasions pulled Baugh &/or Boogie in the last 5-10 mins of games when Boogie &/or Baugh are playing well. And this when Baugh & Boogie clearly have the higher potential for success, yet they don't get the experience when & where it's needed most. Penny's trust in Alo is based upon his prior relationship & not his floor time at Memphis & that should not be the criteria.

This ^
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(02-26-2020 10:29 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Playing Alo & Harris reminds me of youth league BB where the coach & asst coaches's sons are going to get the minutes regardless of the other talent on the team. Just seems Penny can't see past the relationships.

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