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(02-14-2020 10:39 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
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(02-14-2020 10:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  We have to find another win or 2 on the road and hold serve at home. We can't play we did against RICE vs UNT. The player to me that has made this team better has been Joe Reece. Malik is also providing some stability at PG with his scoring. If Kalu can get it going and Oliver can find some consistency we could be a dangerous team.

Thats why posters shouldn't give up on players after their freshman season.

I agree...but you can can see that Reece put in the off season work to get better. I am not sure we need X to me a main contributor. He just needs to do enough offensively to keep the defense honest.

No, X isn't the type of player that should be the go to scorer. I don't think we are going to have one over the next couple years (unless Kalu develops into one). We are going to have to go at it with depth and a variety of scoring options. Having Reece's ability to spread the floor and Kalu's inside/outside game (more inside at this point) could help.

We still don't spread the floor enough. And that wont change unless Hunter/Green/Curry improve their outside shots (and Kalu/Reece extend range a bit).
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(02-14-2020 10:35 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  We have to find another win or 2 on the road and hold serve at home. We can't play we did against RICE vs UNT. The player to me that has made this team better has been Joe Reece. Malik is also providing some stability at PG with his scoring. If Kalu can get it going and Oliver can find some consistency we could be a dangerous team.

Thats why posters shouldn't give up on players after their freshman season.


And a ton of credit goes to Reece. He could have transferred last year like so many others in college basketball (and it would not have been JJ's fault). Instead, if you've heard him talk about it, he said, "Hey, I'm not doing the things I need to do to be successful. I'm going to change that." He did, and things changed. Now, it's clear he has a bright future and is a big piece of who this team can be this year and moving forward.

I have heard that from Reece. Great attitude to have instead of just pouting and transferring to a lower division school like we've seen in the past.
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(02-14-2020 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:35 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  We have to find another win or 2 on the road and hold serve at home. We can't play we did against RICE vs UNT. The player to me that has made this team better has been Joe Reece. Malik is also providing some stability at PG with his scoring. If Kalu can get it going and Oliver can find some consistency we could be a dangerous team.

Thats why posters shouldn't give up on players after their freshman season.


And a ton of credit goes to Reece. He could have transferred last year like so many others in college basketball (and it would not have been JJ's fault). Instead, if you've heard him talk about it, he said, "Hey, I'm not doing the things I need to do to be successful. I'm going to change that." He did, and things changed. Now, it's clear he has a bright future and is a big piece of who this team can be this year and moving forward.

I have heard that from Reece. Great attitude to have instead of just pouting and transferring to a lower division school like we've seen in the past.

You mean, like we saw twice this year.
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(02-14-2020 11:18 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:35 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  We have to find another win or 2 on the road and hold serve at home. We can't play we did against RICE vs UNT. The player to me that has made this team better has been Joe Reece. Malik is also providing some stability at PG with his scoring. If Kalu can get it going and Oliver can find some consistency we could be a dangerous team.

Thats why posters shouldn't give up on players after their freshman season.


And a ton of credit goes to Reece. He could have transferred last year like so many others in college basketball (and it would not have been JJ's fault). Instead, if you've heard him talk about it, he said, "Hey, I'm not doing the things I need to do to be successful. I'm going to change that." He did, and things changed. Now, it's clear he has a bright future and is a big piece of who this team can be this year and moving forward.

I have heard that from Reece. Great attitude to have instead of just pouting and transferring to a lower division school like we've seen in the past.

You mean, like we saw twice this year.

We've have seen it in previous years as well.
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(02-14-2020 11:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:39 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 10:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  We have to find another win or 2 on the road and hold serve at home. We can't play we did against RICE vs UNT. The player to me that has made this team better has been Joe Reece. Malik is also providing some stability at PG with his scoring. If Kalu can get it going and Oliver can find some consistency we could be a dangerous team.

Thats why posters shouldn't give up on players after their freshman season.

I agree...but you can can see that Reece put in the off season work to get better. I am not sure we need X to me a main contributor. He just needs to do enough offensively to keep the defense honest.

No, X isn't the type of player that should be the go to scorer. I don't think we are going to have one over the next couple years (unless Kalu develops into one). We are going to have to go at it with depth and a variety of scoring options. Having Reece's ability to spread the floor and Kalu's inside/outside game (more inside at this point) could help.

We still don't spread the floor enough. And that wont change unless Hunter/Green/Curry improve their outside shots (and Kalu/Reece extend range a bit).

What we need is a strong scoring threat in the post like ODU has had in the past with players such as Hodge, Laughton, Lee, and Hassell. If they had that they could move Kalu over to play the 4 where he would be better suited.
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Hard to spread the floor when we shoot the ball as poorly as we do. Our athleticism is pretty good but teams really pack the paint on us. And of course we need a dominant big man. Almost every team in the country needs one. They don’t grow on trees. But I agree, gotta get our hands on one someway or another.

Question... have any good bigs come through this conference lately? Other than Bassey? MTSU set the standard for this league thus far. They won 30 games one year and had back to back tournament appearances and round one wins. They had some really good forwards with Upshaw and Williams. Neither were Centers though. Good bigs are going to be hard to get at this level unless they transfer in. Our most talented bigs have been Arledge and Porter. I just haven’t seen CUSA produce bigs more talented than those guys. Especially not recruited freshman bigs.
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(02-14-2020 01:19 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Hard to spread the floor when we shoot the ball as poorly as we do. Our athleticism is pretty good but teams really pack the paint on us. And of course we need a dominant big man. Almost every team in the country needs one. They don’t grow on trees. But I agree, gotta get our hands on one someway or another.
Question... have any good bigs come through this conference lately? Other than Bassey? MTSU set the standard for this league thus far. They won 30 games one year and had back to back tournament appearances and round one wins. They had some really good forwards with Upshaw and Williams. Neither were Centers though. Good bigs are going to be hard to get at this level unless they transfer.

People will realize one day that Bryant "Big Country" Reeves isn't walking through that door. Very few majors have legitimate 7 footers and even less mid majors have them. Guys like Ezikpe are the primary big men options. Whether you want to label that as a center or not is meaningless.

We need another body that can rebound and defend. They don't have to be 6 foot 10. That body might be the greek freshman though someone than can replace Carver (all 6 foot 5 of him) would be nice as well.
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Yeah I think all of us would sign up for another Gerald Lee or another Odell Hodge. So would every other team in the nation. Our best chance to find a hidden gem is over seas I would think.

We completely lucked into Odell Hodge back in the day. He was being recruited by Wake Forrest and UVA and everyone else had offered. They all backed off cause they didn’t think he’d qualify with his dyslexia. ODU stayed on him the entire time and he rewarded them for it once he did qualify. He’s an awesome person and worked his ass off because school didn’t come easy for him. He’s been very successful.
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(02-14-2020 01:39 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Yeah I think all of us would sign up for another Gerald Lee or another Odell Hodge. So would every other team in the nation. Our best chance to find a hidden gem is over seas I would think.

We completely lucked into Odell Hodge back in the day. He was being recruited by Wake Forrest and UVA and everyone else had offered. They all backed off cause they didn’t think he’d qualify with his dyslexia. ODU stayed on him the entire time and he rewarded them for it once he did qualify. He’s an awesome person and worked his ass off because school didn’t come easy for him. He’s been very successful.

I think we'd take an Alex Loughton, VV or Dahi as well. I'd take a Chris Cooper at this point. Heck, I'd take Nik Biberaj.

Pretending these people don't or didn't exist doesn't make it so. Pretending that it is either Big Country Reeves or Aaron Carver/Nick Wright with nothing in between doesn't make it so either.

We have a major recruiting problem.
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(02-14-2020 02:11 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:39 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Yeah I think all of us would sign up for another Gerald Lee or another Odell Hodge. So would every other team in the nation. Our best chance to find a hidden gem is over seas I would think.

We completely lucked into Odell Hodge back in the day. He was being recruited by Wake Forrest and UVA and everyone else had offered. They all backed off cause they didn’t think he’d qualify with his dyslexia. ODU stayed on him the entire time and he rewarded them for it once he did qualify. He’s an awesome person and worked his ass off because school didn’t come easy for him. He’s been very successful.

I think we'd take an Alex Loughton, VV or Dahi as well. I'd take a Chris Cooper at this point. Heck, I'd take Nik Biberaj.

Pretending these people don't or didn't exist doesn't make it so. Pretending that it is either Big Country Reeves or Aaron Carver/Nick Wright with nothing in between doesn't make it so either.

We have a major recruiting problem.

None of those guys fit the description of a "center" that some want.
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(02-14-2020 01:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:19 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Hard to spread the floor when we shoot the ball as poorly as we do. Our athleticism is pretty good but teams really pack the paint on us. And of course we need a dominant big man. Almost every team in the country needs one. They don’t grow on trees. But I agree, gotta get our hands on one someway or another.
Question... have any good bigs come through this conference lately? Other than Bassey? MTSU set the standard for this league thus far. They won 30 games one year and had back to back tournament appearances and round one wins. They had some really good forwards with Upshaw and Williams. Neither were Centers though. Good bigs are going to be hard to get at this level unless they transfer.

People will realize one day that Bryant "Big Country" Reeves isn't walking through that door. Very few majors have legitimate 7 footers and even less mid majors have them. Guys like Ezikpe are the primary big men options. Whether you want to label that as a center or not is meaningless.

We need another body that can rebound and defend. They don't have to be 6 foot 10. That body might be the greek freshman though someone than can replace Carver (all 6 foot 5 of him) would be nice as well.

Nobody is expecting Big Country Reeves to just walk through the door Giles. Big Gimpy Greek might walk through though. In case you failed to notice it, we are currently starting a guy at center that surely wasn't recruited to be ODU's center. If that is top shelf with you, then that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. Others that feel differently than you are entitled to theirs as well.

All of your woe is me, we will never be able to get a sizable center is nonsense. Other mid majors have gotten them, but ODU can't? We are relegated to playing a 6'-5" small forward type at center because that's the best ODU can do? Before he got hurt we had another 6'-5" guy playing power forward because that's the best ODU could do? No it isn't. They were simply playing the hand they were left with at the time.

Let's face the facts Giles. You are 100% all tied up in small, small, small, small ball. To you it is that way or the highway. When ODU gets a coach that coaches that style of play then we will ALL give him a chance to succeed with that style. Jeff isn't that guy. He doesn't coach it, or have his team play that style. He coaches hard nosed, half court defense, and slow paced, inside out offense. He depends on getting offensive rebounds because his teams don't tend to be good shooting teams and they often need to score via put backs and additional opportunities. Blaine Taylor was of a similar mindset, and some/many would argue that his teams were better at it than Jeff's have been. Preach and push your small ball all you want to but it isn't happening with Jeff. The only thing small ball about him currently is the fact that he doesn't have much in the way of height or depth on the team at the moment, but they aren't running, gunning, pressing, and jacking up 3's like VCU (for instance).

Put it another way .... if in your opinion it is so hard to ever get a center such as Washington, West, Gatling, Hodge, Laughton, Lee, Hassell, Cooper, etc. and getting the shooters is so much easier and more mid-major then where have they been as far as ODU is concerned? Either Jeff isn't getting them, OR, his style of play and coaching is taking away from their shooting abilities.
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(02-14-2020 02:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:11 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:39 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Yeah I think all of us would sign up for another Gerald Lee or another Odell Hodge. So would every other team in the nation. Our best chance to find a hidden gem is over seas I would think.

We completely lucked into Odell Hodge back in the day. He was being recruited by Wake Forrest and UVA and everyone else had offered. They all backed off cause they didn’t think he’d qualify with his dyslexia. ODU stayed on him the entire time and he rewarded them for it once he did qualify. He’s an awesome person and worked his ass off because school didn’t come easy for him. He’s been very successful.

I think we'd take an Alex Loughton, VV or Dahi as well. I'd take a Chris Cooper at this point. Heck, I'd take Nik Biberaj.

Pretending these people don't or didn't exist doesn't make it so. Pretending that it is either Big Country Reeves or Aaron Carver/Nick Wright with nothing in between doesn't make it so either.

We have a major recruiting problem.

None of those guys fit the description of a "center" that some want.

Most of them are at a minimum far closer to that description than what we have seen. I'd take Laughton and Cooper in a heart beat for center. Would rather Valdas and Dahi play the power forward along side one of them.
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Chris Cooper and Aaron Carver aren't all that much different. Cooper was a little better on offense, Carver is better on defense.

While many of us who reminisce about the good old days of throwing the ball into a back to the basket center still think of the game that way, do you know how many 6'9" players in CUSA play more than 50% of their team's minutes? 6. That's it. There aren't many centers in this league, and to Giles' point, there aren't many true centers in the college game anymore.

Our issue this year has not been a lack of a center. Our issue is our shooting.
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(02-14-2020 04:10 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Chris Cooper and Aaron Carver aren't all that much different. Cooper was a little better on offense, Carver is better on defense.

While many of us who reminisce about the good old days of throwing the ball into a back to the basket center still think of the game that way, do you know how many 6'9" players in CUSA play more than 50% of their team's minutes? 6. That's it. There aren't many centers in this league, and to Giles' point, there are many true centers in the college game anymore.

Our issue this year has not been a lack of a center. Our issue is our shooting.

5' shots are easier to make than 20'!
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(02-14-2020 04:25 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 04:10 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Chris Cooper and Aaron Carver aren't all that much different. Cooper was a little better on offense, Carver is better on defense.

While many of us who reminisce about the good old days of throwing the ball into a back to the basket center still think of the game that way, do you know how many 6'9" players in CUSA play more than 50% of their team's minutes? 6. That's it. There aren't many centers in this league, and to Giles' point, there are many true centers in the college game anymore.

Our issue this year has not been a lack of a center. Our issue is our shooting.

5' shots are easier to make than 20'!

For sure. And we take way too many 20' shots. But, when 22' shots are worth 50% more than 5' shots. Those are the ones we need to take (and make).
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(02-14-2020 04:28 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 04:25 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 04:10 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Chris Cooper and Aaron Carver aren't all that much different. Cooper was a little better on offense, Carver is better on defense.

While many of us who reminisce about the good old days of throwing the ball into a back to the basket center still think of the game that way, do you know how many 6'9" players in CUSA play more than 50% of their team's minutes? 6. That's it. There aren't many centers in this league, and to Giles' point, there are many true centers in the college game anymore.

Our issue this year has not been a lack of a center. Our issue is our shooting.

5' shots are easier to make than 20'!

For sure. And we take way too many 20' shots. But, when 22' shots are worth 50% more than 5' shots. Those are the ones we need to take (and make).

Of course a 3 pointer is worth more than a 2 pointer is. Of course if you can make those you should take those since they are worth more. When you can't make them you are simply left attempting again and again to fit that square peg in that round hole. ODU is the square peg and their anemic outside shooting is the round hole. As the old saying goes ... you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (no matter how hard you try or how much you want it to be so).

ODU has had numerous games this season where they were jacking up 3's and not making them in the first half. In the second half Jeff had them taking the ball inside instead.
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(02-14-2020 01:39 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Yeah I think all of us would sign up for another Gerald Lee or another Odell Hodge. So would every other team in the nation. Our best chance to find a hidden gem is over seas I would think.

We completely lucked into Odell Hodge back in the day. He was being recruited by Wake Forrest and UVA and everyone else had offered. They all backed off cause they didn’t think he’d qualify with his dyslexia. ODU stayed on him the entire time and he rewarded them for it once he did qualify. He’s an awesome person and worked his ass off because school didn’t come easy for him. He’s been very successful.

Hodge was being recruited at Tek by Tic Price. Price came to ODU. Hodge stayed loyal to Price. That is how we lucked into Hodge.
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(02-14-2020 06:05 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:39 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Yeah I think all of us would sign up for another Gerald Lee or another Odell Hodge. So would every other team in the nation. Our best chance to find a hidden gem is over seas I would think.

We completely lucked into Odell Hodge back in the day. He was being recruited by Wake Forrest and UVA and everyone else had offered. They all backed off cause they didn’t think he’d qualify with his dyslexia. ODU stayed on him the entire time and he rewarded them for it once he did qualify. He’s an awesome person and worked his ass off because school didn’t come easy for him. He’s been very successful.

Hodge was being recruited at Tek by Tic Price. Price came to ODU. Hodge stayed loyal to Price. That is how we lucked into Hodge.

Yeah he was definitely loyal to Price and ODU. There were a lot of rumors flying around that he wouldn’t qualify, but anyway. It obviously worked out for us.
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(02-14-2020 04:10 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Chris Cooper and Aaron Carver aren't all that much different. Cooper was a little better on offense, Carver is better on defense.

While many of us who reminisce about the good old days of throwing the ball into a back to the basket center still think of the game that way, do you know how many 6'9" players in CUSA play more than 50% of their team's minutes? 6. That's it. There aren't many centers in this league, and to Giles' point, there are many true centers in the college game anymore.

Our issue this year has not been a lack of a center. Our issue is our shooting.

Yeah last I checked we still lead the league in rebounding. We can’t throw it in the ocean. Teams pack the paint on us and dare us to shoot it and we are 27 percent from three. Nobody in this conference is recruiting bigs at a successful rate.
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I was kinda surprised by this.

We only have 3 conference games where the offense was under 1 ppp.

UAB (won .95)
Charlotte (lost .76)
WKY (.97)
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