(02-13-2020 04:14 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  $400k-$500k is not enough for a successful mid major coach. The market is higher than that.

If JMU is going to put its money where its mouth is, then the pay needs to be higher.
You expect a coach that goes to the NCAA tourney, then there is a cost for that.

Well that does not really jive with the website that someone shared earlier that showed coaches salaries. It seemed to me that it was the exception rather than the rule to see a mid-major coach making substantially more than $500k, and if I recall correctly for most of those that did, men's basketball was the only game in town for those schools.

Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

(02-14-2020 09:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

Wes has been mentioned for some much higher openings. Miller's next job will be much more than he's presently making.

Never head coach Lou Rowe that no one was interested in was given $300k. Four years later, to a proven up and coming head coach with a lot of interest from other schools - Hey Wes, we'll consider you for $400k. Yeah right. I don't even think $500k would give us a sniff.

300k to 500k in the business world is a huge increase. For a hot commodity and a young head coach that is peanuts. Why would be move from a program he turned around to a program that has been challenged for 2 decades for a 100k to 200k increase.?

His value to JMU is far greater than 500k. Do we go for coach that we need at the market rate, or find a coach that fits with our historical budgets perhaps stretched a little?

I think Nation is probably right. We'll probably get someone in the $400 - $450 range, that will almost certainly improve the program, but is not going to overwhelm any one. We'll go after a lessor diamond in the rough this time. I just don't see JMU breaking their mold in pay. As I've said before, in reality we don't even pay our Football head coach that much relatively speaking. He's one of the highest paid FCS coaches, but he's nowhere near a top 75 paid Division 1 coach to match our attendance and results on the field.

(02-14-2020 09:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

Miller has one career goal: an ACC job (or SEC I guess). His family is also one of the wealthiest in the state completely unrelated to hoops. Money still matters, and Dukester's plan "could" convince him. But I think Miller is a complete no-go for JMU because how could he possibly think a job at JMU, the worst team in a worse hoops' conference, gets him any closer to his goal of being an ACC coach? If anything, it's more likely to set him back. If Wake doesn't go after him right now, seems like AAC or A-10 (esp if McKillop ever retires) job would be the only logical stepping stone between him and the P5 job. I love the guy and would be ecstatic if he came back to JMU, but I think we're gonna need to look elsewhere.

Second, I still think the JMU job is desirable for others for all the reasons we've talked about, particularly the general institutional support and belief in Athletics as a whole. If you're coaching in the Big South or NEC (sort of the Brady track), you probably covet the JMU job regardless of the the bigger picture. But for guys with real success and a readily apparent lane to bigger jobs (like Miller or say the Vermont coach), I do wonder how Bourne being at the end of his tenure would factor in the decision. You can bet agents will be asking after JMU's future AD picture. The AD-HC relationship is important in every sport, but it's often most important for hoops given the visibility of both W-L records and player issues.

(02-14-2020 09:45 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

Miller has one career goal: an ACC job (or SEC I guess). His family is also one of the wealthiest in the state completely unrelated to hoops. Money still matters, and Dukester's plan "could" convince him. But I think Miller is a complete no-go for JMU because how could he possibly think a job at JMU, the worst team in a worse hoops' conference, gets him any closer to his goal of being an ACC coach? If anything, it's more likely to set him back. If Wake doesn't go after him right now, seems like AAC or A-10 (esp if McKillop ever retires) job would be the only logical stepping stone between him and the P5 job. I love the guy and would be ecstatic if he came back to JMU, but I think we're gonna need to look elsewhere.

Second, I still think the JMU job is desirable for others for all the reasons we've talked about, particularly the general institutional support and belief in Athletics as a whole. If you're coaching in the Big South or NEC (sort of the Brady track), you probably covet the JMU job regardless of the the bigger picture. But for guys with real success and a readily apparent lane to bigger jobs (like Miller or say the Vermont coach), I do wonder how Bourne being at the end of his tenure would factor in the decision. You can bet agents will be asking after JMU's future AD picture. The AD-HC relationship is important in every sport, but it's often most important for hoops given the visibility of both W-L records and player issues.

I agree. Wes Miller is going to the P5 from JMU. The only way would be if he was able to make us a CAA contender every year and a perennial NCAA tournament team that won games in the tournament. And even then he wouldn't be getting a top tier P5 IMO.
I do think the JMU job is extremely desirable to the right coaches. We are a step up for many conferences. The new arena in itself is a HUGE attention grabber. What up and coming coach wouldn't want to coach there and have that recruiting tool in his pocket??
When it comes to the AD-HC relationship, I would say that if you look throughout the athletics program, the admin tends to keep their hands off. I see that as a beneficial thing. I don't think previous HC selections help or hurt that.. with one exception. Matt Brady was let go after a 20 win season. In spite of everything with Brady it's hard to defend a decision like that. The only defense they have is to look at how they've handled Rowe. This program has been garbage every year yet the admin has remained supportive throughout. The admin never said anything to undermine Rowe no matter how bad things have been. To an incoming head coach, that has to be seen as a good thing. So many admins are too invasive or say things that undermine what the coach is trying to do. Not the case at JMU.
Only time will tell how strong or weak the pool of candidates will be. But I do agree there are plenty of things that SHOULD get us a good coach.

(02-14-2020 09:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

(02-14-2020 09:45 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

Miller has one career goal: an ACC job (or SEC I guess). His family is also one of the wealthiest in the state completely unrelated to hoops. Money still matters, and Dukester's plan "could" convince him. But I think Miller is a complete no-go for JMU because how could he possibly think a job at JMU, the worst team in a worse hoops' conference, gets him any closer to his goal of being an ACC coach? If anything, it's more likely to set him back. If Wake doesn't go after him right now, seems like AAC or A-10 (esp if McKillop ever retires) job would be the only logical stepping stone between him and the P5 job. I love the guy and would be ecstatic if he came back to JMU, but I think we're gonna need to look elsewhere.

Second, I still think the JMU job is desirable for others for all the reasons we've talked about, particularly the general institutional support and belief in Athletics as a whole. If you're coaching in the Big South or NEC (sort of the Brady track), you probably covet the JMU job regardless of the the bigger picture. But for guys with real success and a readily apparent lane to bigger jobs (like Miller or say the Vermont coach), I do wonder how Bourne being at the end of his tenure would factor in the decision. You can bet agents will be asking after JMU's future AD picture. The AD-HC relationship is important in every sport, but it's often most important for hoops given the visibility of both W-L records and player issues.

Couldn't agree more on Wes Miller being out of our reach. I live in the Triangle. He is a known commodity here, from both his UNC days and more recently his buzzer beater loss to NC State this season. The Gonzaga game in the NCAAs in 2018, where they took them to the wire, had the locals beaming with pride. He's closing in on his fourth 25 win season in a row. If he can take down ETSU in the Southern Conference Tourney to secure a NCAA bid, I think he's a shoe-in for AAC/A-10 at minimum and a very strong candidate for the Wake job after this season (he has had some Lefty-like conference tournament stumbles though).

As stated above, he's already playing in a better conference. Our new arena will be nice, but he currently plays home games in the Mecca of ACC basketball, the Greensboro Coliseum. Not sure that'll move the needle. Though his salary is 300k, he also gets a yearly retention bonus of 50-60k, plus postseason bonuses. Personally, I don't know if we'd even get a call back from him unless it was known that we were going to pay well above our comfort zone. He is definitely on the fast track, and we are literally the slow lane/off ramp.

(02-13-2020 02:32 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 06:20 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 01:41 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 01:11 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:24 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  We will definitely get some better candidates this time IF the admin makes it known that they are making an effort to fix things and are willing to pay more— at least 450-500k. Hopefully more.

The new stadium and a CAA ripe for the taking (no one in the top 100 this season) and 450-500k will get a lot of head coaches making 300k or so interested— at least in my opinion.

Almost tired of saying and reading the same stuff over and over, but this is a great time for the admin to make a statement and put forth some effort to rebuild the program!! It should have been done after last season, but not looking back anymore. Looking ahead to a better coach and program.

So tired of listening to 100% college basketball on sports radio, and never hearing JMU mentioned like we don’t even have a team while 7 or 8 other state schools are constantly talked about.

This may not be popular but....generally I get the feeling that many JMU supporters/alum/fans are spoiled, myself included. Except for MBB, we have great athletics programs and facilities. Most of us don't spend a lot and still have access to great value entertainment. If "we the people" want a good hire, we need to step up and fund our desires. We accuse our AD of thinking small but maybe us supporters aren't much different.

What is wrong with the AD sending a letter to 5000 donors saying "we're hiring a new coach and it's going to cost $1M. We ask every donor to increase their donation by $20.00 per month" Doing so will help fun our coach and also help to reduce student fee's. Enclosed is a commitment card we ask you to complete and return. We'll follow up with a phone call in the near future"

In addition to the marketing mailings and emails, I get this "We could use money for" type of call from an AD staff member at least once every year from VCU. I'm not a big donor but still get invited for meet and greet type stuff. I'm small time donor to JMU but I've never received a call asking to increase my support.

I believe many of us will "step up for the cause" but I believe it will take some effort on JMU's part.

I hear what you are saying RamDawg and agree some. While money doesn't grow on trees (maybe it grows on student fees, but that's a dead horse for another time), a differing perspective is that it shouldn't and doesn't require a massive or even moderate money-raising campaign. That is, all the key decision makers need to do is look at the empty seats inside the Convo, dwindling attendance, etc., to see where all that money can and should come from in terms of ticket sales.

It will be an absolute shame to have a shiny new home and within a year or two it is still attended with less than 1,500 people. JMU - like so many others - lists "attendance" as truthfully "tickets accounted for" to which some are students. I can assure you, there have been games this season where there were NOT 1,200 people in the Convo, maybe less than 1,000.

Again, I agree with your sentiment. It is a chicken-or-the-egg thing. Does the winning come first to pay for the better HC or does the money raising come first? You'd think the latter has to come first. However, the opportunity cost of continuing to suck by low-balling is definitely there to pay for a better HC. Does the Admin have the jewels to stick their necks out to get it done? And even then, will they make the right hire? We'll see. The first step of a more modern less-dungeon"ish" arena is a fantastic start. Now, the next crucial step arrives in less than a month (hopefully).

Not to pile on, RamDawg, but the admin doesn't have a history of getting it right, regardless (or in spite) of budget. I don't know many people that would throw $20/month to this admin given their current track record of MBB hires. Hard to make that pledge, which to me answers the chicken/egg argument. If football called tomorrow and said we need another $20/month for XYZ I'd probably do it.

All good, it's a discussion. If our AD is selling donors on the money excuse and we're all agreeing we need to spend more for a higher probability of success then the AD needs to provide a solution to the problem. We know (and likely agree) that JMU won't rob Peter (FB) to help out Paul (MBB) and the money tree (student fee's) is maxed out. Funding needs to come from other sources.

IF JMU says they want to commit $700,000 to a MBB HC with success from a proven program, I would donate an additional $240.00 a year. JMU has shown a very significant commitment to FB. The donations and success show but I haven't seen any commitment to the MBB program. Money doesn't solve all problems but I really think the Admin needs to make a reasonable attempt to build it.

Does anyone know if the Duke club publishes donor/sponsor information such as how many donors we have and money the Duke club collects? I didn't see anything on their website.

They have old information available (2017-2018) $2.64 Million with 4,502 members. A newsletter states that 2018-2019 donations were $2.67 million and that the donor goal for 2019-2020 is 4,517. However, at the bottom of their homepage it shows the donor goal this year is 5,000 contributing $2.9 million. Keep in mind that the donations are to the annual scholarship fund and don't include capital projects, restricted gifts, and endowments. Including those other categories, total fundraising in 2017-2018 was $4.46 million. Also keep in mind that the duke club year runs July 1 thorough June 30. Currently for this year it shows 2,607 donors for $908,046. But those should jump when football season ticket holders have to renew.

(02-14-2020 11:15 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

(02-14-2020 09:45 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

Miller has one career goal: an ACC job (or SEC I guess). His family is also one of the wealthiest in the state completely unrelated to hoops. Money still matters, and Dukester's plan "could" convince him. But I think Miller is a complete no-go for JMU because how could he possibly think a job at JMU, the worst team in a worse hoops' conference, gets him any closer to his goal of being an ACC coach? If anything, it's more likely to set him back. If Wake doesn't go after him right now, seems like AAC or A-10 (esp if McKillop ever retires) job would be the only logical stepping stone between him and the P5 job. I love the guy and would be ecstatic if he came back to JMU, but I think we're gonna need to look elsewhere.

Second, I still think the JMU job is desirable for others for all the reasons we've talked about, particularly the general institutional support and belief in Athletics as a whole. If you're coaching in the Big South or NEC (sort of the Brady track), you probably covet the JMU job regardless of the the bigger picture. But for guys with real success and a readily apparent lane to bigger jobs (like Miller or say the Vermont coach), I do wonder how Bourne being at the end of his tenure would factor in the decision. You can bet agents will be asking after JMU's future AD picture. The AD-HC relationship is important in every sport, but it's often most important for hoops given the visibility of both W-L records and player issues.

Couldn't agree more on Wes Miller being out of our reach. I live in the Triangle. He is a known commodity here, from both his UNC days and more recently his buzzer beater loss to NC State this season. The Gonzaga game in the NCAAs in 2018, where they took them to the wire, had the locals beaming with pride. He's closing in on his fourth 25 win season in a row. If he can take down ETSU in the Southern Conference Tourney to secure a NCAA bid, I think he's a shoe-in for AAC/A-10 at minimum and a very strong candidate for the Wake job after this season (he has had some Lefty-like conference tournament stumbles though).

As stated above, he's already playing in a better conference. Our new arena will be nice, but he currently plays home games in the Mecca of ACC basketball, the Greensboro Coliseum. Not sure that'll move the needle. Though his salary is 300k, he also gets a yearly retention bonus of 50-60k, plus postseason bonuses. Personally, I don't know if we'd even get a call back from him unless it was known that we were going to pay well above our comfort zone. He is definitely on the fast track, and we are literally the slow lane/off ramp.

All very well said. JMU would be a step down for him.

This thread is comical with the names and dollar figures.

(02-14-2020 12:05 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  This thread is comical with the names and dollar figures.

Do whaaaaaaaat? You haven't heard, Bawlmer? Gregg Popovich is begging to be the next head coach and word has it he will pay JMU 1 million annually for the opportunity.

Come on. Get with the program. Sheesh.

Another name that came to mind recently was Anthony Evans. He coached at Norfolk State and was their coach when they took down Missouri as a 15 seed in the NCAAT in 2012. After that he went to FIU, but couldn't break through there. He is currently an assistant at Fordham.

(02-14-2020 12:05 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:15 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Couldn't agree more on Wes Miller being out of our reach. I live in the Triangle. He is a known commodity here, from both his UNC days and more recently his buzzer beater loss to NC State this season. The Gonzaga game in the NCAAs in 2018, where they took them to the wire, had the locals beaming with pride. He's closing in on his fourth 25 win season in a row. If he can take down ETSU in the Southern Conference Tourney to secure a NCAA bid, I think he's a shoe-in for AAC/A-10 at minimum and a very strong candidate for the Wake job after this season (he has had some Lefty-like conference tournament stumbles though).

As stated above, he's already playing in a better conference. Our new arena will be nice, but he currently plays home games in the Mecca of ACC basketball, the Greensboro Coliseum. Not sure that'll move the needle. Though his salary is 300k, he also gets a yearly retention bonus of 50-60k, plus postseason bonuses. Personally, I don't know if we'd even get a call back from him unless it was known that we were going to pay well above our comfort zone. He is definitely on the fast track, and we are literally the slow lane/off ramp.

All very well said. JMU would be a step down for him.

This thread is comical with the names and dollar figures.

This is why I think it’s crazy how much most people are against an assistant at all costs. The Bryce Drew, Wes Miller type guys are probably just a pipe dream and if shooting for the moon doesn’t pan out I’d rather take our chances on a well qualified assistant than some HC making a huge leap. I’d lean even more towards the right assistant compared to a HC who’s been mediocre or really had ups and downs.

(02-14-2020 09:20 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Who thinks it would be a good investment to bring in Wes Miller at 600-700k?

Well when according this website (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20)

Wes Miller currently makes $301,150 base salary........I think 600-700k range would be vast over-paying. I think you could get Wes in the $400-$500k range + performance & attendance bonus + COA for players + Brand New Arena.

You seriously think you need to double the salary to get Wes from UNCG. Come on man.

I believe Wes Miller would be a great hire. That salary site is very misleading... I would venture a guess he's making close to $400K at UNCG even without post season incentives.

He's going to have offers from much better programs than JMU so if our AD really wants a Wes Miller, it's going to take a very good offer. So Wake could realistically offer him $700K, I'm not sure we would even be in the discussion even if we could top the money.

The salaries on that site are just the base salary. It does not include bonuses and additional streams of income. I don't know if it includes the pay raises over previous seasons.

(02-14-2020 11:21 AM)Top Dawg Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 02:32 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  [quote='JMUrcc06' pid='16672761' dateline='1581549652']
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Does anyone know if the Duke club publishes donor/sponsor information such as how many donors we have and money the Duke club collects? I didn't see anything on their website.

They have old information available (2017-2018) $2.64 Million with 4,502 members. A newsletter states that 2018-2019 donations were $2.67 million and that the donor goal for 2019-2020 is 4,517. However, at the bottom of their homepage it shows the donor goal this year is 5,000 contributing $2.9 million. Keep in mind that the donations are to the annual scholarship fund and don't include capital projects, restricted gifts, and endowments. Including those other categories, total fundraising in 2017-2018 was $4.46 million. Also keep in mind that the duke club year runs July 1 thorough June 30. Currently for this year it shows 2,607 donors for $908,046. But those should jump when football season ticket holders have to renew.

Thanks! I guessed we had around 5000 donors but would have thought our average donation would have been much more than $600.00 to the scholarship fund.

(02-14-2020 02:52 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:05 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:15 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Couldn't agree more on Wes Miller being out of our reach. I live in the Triangle. He is a known commodity here, from both his UNC days and more recently his buzzer beater loss to NC State this season. The Gonzaga game in the NCAAs in 2018, where they took them to the wire, had the locals beaming with pride. He's closing in on his fourth 25 win season in a row. If he can take down ETSU in the Southern Conference Tourney to secure a NCAA bid, I think he's a shoe-in for AAC/A-10 at minimum and a very strong candidate for the Wake job after this season (he has had some Lefty-like conference tournament stumbles though).

As stated above, he's already playing in a better conference. Our new arena will be nice, but he currently plays home games in the Mecca of ACC basketball, the Greensboro Coliseum. Not sure that'll move the needle. Though his salary is 300k, he also gets a yearly retention bonus of 50-60k, plus postseason bonuses. Personally, I don't know if we'd even get a call back from him unless it was known that we were going to pay well above our comfort zone. He is definitely on the fast track, and we are literally the slow lane/off ramp.

All very well said. JMU would be a step down for him.

This thread is comical with the names and dollar figures.

This is why I think it’s crazy how much most people are against an assistant at all costs. The Bryce Drew, Wes Miller type guys are probably just a pipe dream and if shooting for the moon doesn’t pan out I’d rather take our chances on a well qualified assistant than some HC making a huge leap. I’d lean even more towards the right assistant compared to a HC who’s been mediocre or really had ups and downs.

Yep, JMU is not an attractive job for an experience and/or successful HC. The Bank is "fake news" It comes down to "what can JMU do for me to advance my career or resurrect my career?" The CAA being a mid to low-major conference, lack of successful JMU MBB history, poor fan support, recruiting players and staff is a challenge. I believe we would need to pay high to attract a reasonably successful D-II HC.

UNCG took a gamble on Wes Miller 10 years ago. That seemed to work out pretty well for them.

My magic 8 ball says Josh Merkel (Randolph Macon) Ben Howlet (West Liberty, WV) Mike Fuline (Mt Union, OH) are names we will be hearing a lot about in the upcoming years. I don't know if they are program builders but lots of "no name coaches" in DII & DIII are doing some great things with limited resources,

This thread is depressing.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/turned-...0284f.html

Whether he's a viable candidate for JMU this go around or not. He should have been the hire over Rowe last time.