(02-10-2020 03:36 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 01:30 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  SLU all time vs. Valley schools
Bradley 27-43
Drake 53-30
Evansville 15-14
Illinois State 5-7
Indiana State 12-5
Loyola 22-24
Missouri State 7-15
Southern Illinois 31-27
Valparaiso 4-5
176-170 All Time

*No games against UNI

I think that's fair, but is it in full context? Maybe how they did against any current MVC members while an A10 member?

That looks good to me. I was thinking in terms of history and Basketball.

(02-07-2020 01:43 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 11:05 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Schools with the potential to move now:
NDSU
SDSU
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Missouri State
JMU

Schools with the potential to move in a decade or so with more investment and success:
New Hampshire
Maine
Rhode Island
NC A&T
FAMU

I think the Dakotas are a lot like the Montana schools: they're happy in FCS. Delaware would be the same story. URI has no desire for FBS,.nor does New Hampshire. Maine, while a good program, falls in line with the Dakotas and the Montanas- happy in FCS. Now NC A&T could be a possibility, as well as Mizzou State & JMU. Dunno about FAMU.

Geography, money and a lack of FBS leagues that want them (see geography) will dictate that the two large "Dakota" state schools will not leave FCS for the near future. Changes in the FBS structure or creation of a new G5 conference west of the Mississippi are the only two items that could change that.

Rhode Island is closer to NEC than anything better than CAAF.

(02-11-2020 05:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Rhode Island is closer to NEC than anything better than CAAF.

Yeah, I don't know why people keep bringing up the CAA's New England schools as doing anything more than being in the CAA. Rhody nearly joined the NEC and went reduced-scholarship football, but the CAA talked them into staying. New Hampshire and Maine are smaller publics in a football-adverse region. They're doing fine where they are.

NYU is going to bring their 50,000 students in the #1 TV market to join the AAC as soon as the D-3 to D-1 process is approved. Their new football team will play in the Meadowlands with Bill Parcells as HC.*

(02-11-2020 06:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  NYU is going to bring their 50,000 students in the #1 TV market to join the AAC as soon as the D-3 to D-1 process is approved. Their new football team will play in the Meadowlands with Bill Parcells as HC.*

Seems plausible...

That'll show UConn!

Can't wait for the Violet-Pirate matchups!

(02-11-2020 07:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 06:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  NYU is going to bring their 50,000 students in the #1 TV market to join the AAC as soon as the D-3 to D-1 process is approved. Their new football team will play in the Meadowlands with Bill Parcells as HC.*

Seems plausible...

That'll show UConn!

Can't wait for the Violet-Pirate matchups!

They will actually be playing at either the new NYCFC stadium or at a Trump built stadium in Long Island City that will also house the XFL team.

I think the most likely to move up in the next few years would be JMU but I think with the right leadership others may be interested. NC A&T, Delaware, Missouri St, Sam Houston St, EKU and probably some others have thrown out feelers in the past so we know they are at least considering it. In terms of non-football school to FBS move the top candidate for that has to be UTA which already has a huge student population and a guaranteed landing spot in the Sun Belt.

(02-12-2020 01:16 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I think the most likely to move up in the next few years would be JMU but I think with the right leadership others may be interested. NC A&T, Delaware, Missouri St, Sam Houston St, EKU and probably some others have thrown out feelers in the past so we know they are at least considering it. In terms of non-football school to FBS move the top candidate for that has to be UTA which already has a huge student population and a guaranteed landing spot in the Sun Belt.

If you are going to throw out schools who haven't really talked about it in the past, I would add Cal-Davis. They look like an FBS school (for that matter a P5 school) in student population (35k), academically (AAU) and, with their breadth of sports programs (over 20), athletically everywhere but football and basketball. With leadership and interest, they might get there in 10 years. Now I haven't heard any inklings of interest, but things could change. They "look" more like an FBS program than anybody else out there not currently in FBS.

It will not be the waiting for the new CFP contracts to come about. The NCAA is in the middle of revamping the rules and everything else for the pay for play crap that the lawmakers are forcing on the schools.

New G6 conference.
North Dakota State
North Dakota
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Montana
Montana State
Idaho
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Eastern Washington
Lamar
New Mexico State
Lamar and New Mexico State will be football only.

(02-12-2020 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  New G6 conference.
North Dakota State
North Dakota
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Montana
Montana State
Idaho
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Eastern Washington
Lamar
New Mexico State
Lamar and New Mexico State will be football only.

I believe I have seen something like this before. It looks almost identical to Nodak's Great Northern Conference. From one troll to another.

(02-12-2020 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It will not be the waiting for the new CFP contracts to come about. The NCAA is in the middle of revamping the rules and everything else for the pay for play crap that the lawmakers are forcing on the schools.

New G6 conference.
North Dakota State
North Dakota
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Montana
Montana State
Idaho
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Eastern Washington
Lamar
New Mexico State
Lamar and New Mexico State will be football only.

You forgot CSU-Pueblo and Colorado-Mesa.

Delaware gets referenced a bit for FBS. They conducted a viability study, but, a lot of schools did between 2000-2015.

The thing that sucks for UD is that they may as well be invisible here in the Philly area. College football is still about Penn State and Temple. Doesn't matter that there's a Rutgers campus right across the Delaware from Center City...and the same kinda goes for UD.

I think they'd be okay in the MAC, actually. But they seem to be happy with CAA.

With the UMass ultimatum, it suggested the possibility of MAC expansion, but no further action on that front has to make some wonder if that conference is just really picky about what it wants in a new member (so much so that it knew UMass would pass on the offer, so MAC could be done with the idea of expansion), or schools, like those in CAA/F, think it's not their best fit. Then again, when a lot of these eastern region schools studied FBS, they all thought they could achieve CUSA, or saw it as a the best fit. To me, it sounds like a lot of schools wasted money. Not that CUSA is a bad place. But...CUSA really didn't handle itself well during a lot of that realignment. The CUSA of these viability studies...that's not what's there anymore. So, if you weren't down with Sun Belt or MAC...maybe there's no interest anymore?

(02-12-2020 11:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  With the UMass ultimatum, it suggested the possibility of MAC expansion, but no further action on that front has to make some wonder if that conference is just really picky about what it wants in a new member (so much so that it knew UMass would pass on the offer, so MAC could be done with the idea of expansion), or schools, like those in CAA/F, think it's not their best fit.

They likely expected that UMass would pass, but it's not like the MAC was looking at expansion and therefore decided to issue the ultimatum: the MAC wanted the 13 school FB competition round out one way or the other, and therefore had to look at expansion in the event that UMass exercised their option.

With UMass turning down full membership, that resolved that issue, and there is nothing of similar urgency pressing the MAC to expand at this point. So it is not likely to be the MAC doing the rounds checking who wants to expand, but rather the MAC being approached by a school wanting to join that they found a compelling proposition (just as the old Big East presented them with what looked like an opportunity when Temple got booted out).

Delaware is a flagship with strong support and an FBS stadium. Tons of chairbacks.

A 12-team eastern G5 league from Delaware to Florida could work.

Delaware
Liberty
JMU
ODU
NC A&T
Appalachian St
Charlotte
CCU
GSU
GSU
FAU
FIU

(02-13-2020 09:21 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Delaware is a flagship with strong support and an FBS stadium. Tons of chairbacks.

A 12-team eastern G5 league from Delaware to Florida could work.

Delaware
Liberty
JMU
ODU
NC A&T
Appalachian St
Charlotte
CCU
GSU
GSU
FAU
FIU

I don't hate this. Would this conference consider Connecticut and Massachusetts for football-only membership?

North: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Delaware, Liberty, James Madison, Old Dominion, North Carolina A&T
South: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Florida Atlantic, Florida International

Unless someone moves up in the fashion Liberty did (without a conference invite on unspoken threat of legal action) then I don't see any openings. MAC and CUSA are full. SBC has no reason to expand beyond 10. AAC probably gets their 11 team waiver for a long while.

NC A&T if they wanted to could put the NCAA in a tough position by demanding the ability to move into FBS as an Indy. They're the only school that has a leg to stand on. With as many new FBS schools in the south east the Aggies would have no problem getting a schedule put together and the UNC System probably would work magic to get 2:1 deals with NCSU and UNC. H:H games would be a cinch between App, UNCC and ECU. Got their FCS game lined up in NCCU.

(02-13-2020 10:15 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 09:21 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Delaware is a flagship with strong support and an FBS stadium. Tons of chairbacks.

A 12-team eastern G5 league from Delaware to Florida could work.

Delaware
Liberty
JMU
ODU
NC A&T
Appalachian St
Charlotte
CCU
GSU
GSU
FAU
FIU

I don't hate this. Would this conference consider Connecticut and Massachusetts for football-only membership?

North: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Delaware, Liberty, James Madison, Old Dominion, North Carolina A&T
South: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Florida Atlantic, Florida International

I...okay. Football only in this would be good for UMass. Keeps UCONN and brings back Delaware and JMU rivalries. Plus familiar former national championship game foes.

I don't anticipate many teams that are currently in a conference wanting to bolt to start a new one that also involves Liberty though. They have a lot of baggage that prevents them from being included in conference reshuffling.

(02-13-2020 09:21 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Delaware is a flagship with strong support and an FBS stadium. Tons of chairbacks.

A 12-team eastern G5 league from Delaware to Florida could work.

Delaware
Liberty
JMU
ODU
NC A&T
Appalachian St
Charlotte
CCU
GSU
GSU
FAU
FIU

I would consider Delaware for the AAC. State flagships have an inherent value. They aren't the strongest candidate, but we can definitely (and probably will) do a lot worse. It'd create nice local rivalries with Temple and Navy. We might have to lock in set cross-division opponents to get UD-Navy every year.

(02-12-2020 04:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It will not be the waiting for the new CFP contracts to come about. The NCAA is in the middle of revamping the rules and everything else for the pay for play crap that the lawmakers are forcing on the schools.

New G6 conference.
North Dakota State
North Dakota
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Montana
Montana State
Idaho
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Eastern Washington
Lamar
New Mexico State
Lamar and New Mexico State will be football only.

You forgot CSU-Pueblo and Colorado-Mesa.

And what's Northern Iowa without Upper Iowa as a travel partner?