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I’ve been an avid ODU basketball fan since the early 1970’s and have pretty much seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get. I wish it were better but I don’t see that in the near term. It is always “We are going to be REALLY GOOD next year”. Yes, they will have the occasional visit to the big dance only to be bounced after the first round. NIT appearances a bit more often but still only occasionally. It’s the nature of the program. In order to be great you have to expect to be great and I just don’t see it in this program. Sorry, but a bit of reality is in order.
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VCU's and FIU "centers" are all the same size as Kalu. Richmonds is larger (and very good)

Vs. VCU Silva had 13 points, 1 block, and 4 rebounds in 25 mins.
Vs. Richmond, Golden had 19 points, 1 block, and 7 rebounds
Vs. FIU, Osaghae had 11 points, 6 blocks, and 9 rebounds in 34 mins.

There is no concern about it not being fair for them to battle against "taller, more dominant players."
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(02-11-2020 01:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  VCU's and FIU "centers" are all the same size as Kalu. Richmonds is larger (and very good)

Vs. VCU Silva had 13 points, 1 block, and 4 rebounds in 25 mins.
Vs. Richmond, Golden had 19 points, 1 block, and 7 rebounds
Vs. FIU, Osaghae had 11 points, 6 blocks, and 9 rebounds in 34 mins.

There is no concern about it not being fair for them to battle against "taller, more dominant players."

Look, I don't care if ODU has Billy Barty back there playing center if he is dominant and a legitimate scoring threat in the LOW POST. They don't currently have either of those things. ODU has played numerous teams this season that had better performing centers than did ODU and centers that ODU's fans wished they had on their team. We are all hoping that Kalu will get better as he matures with the program.
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(02-11-2020 01:09 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  I’ve been an avid ODU basketball fan since the early 1970’s and have pretty much seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get. I wish it were better but I don’t see that in the near term. It is always “We are going to be REALLY GOOD next year”. Yes, they will have the occasional visit to the big dance only to be bounced after the first round. NIT appearances a bit more often but still only occasionally. It’s the nature of the program. In order to be great you have to expect to be great and I just don’t see it in this program. Sorry, but a bit of reality is in order.
Sad thing is, I thought in the late 70's and early 80's there was no ceiling for our program. I remember when the fledgling Big East wanted us, but we weren't interested. Today? We are mired in an inconsequential conference and have watched VCU pass us by. Things need to change or we are simply stuck in place.
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(02-11-2020 02:11 PM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 01:09 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  I’ve been an avid ODU basketball fan since the early 1970’s and have pretty much seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get. I wish it were better but I don’t see that in the near term. It is always “We are going to be REALLY GOOD next year”. Yes, they will have the occasional visit to the big dance only to be bounced after the first round. NIT appearances a bit more often but still only occasionally. It’s the nature of the program. In order to be great you have to expect to be great and I just don’t see it in this program. Sorry, but a bit of reality is in order.
Sad thing is, I thought in the late 70's and early 80's there was no ceiling for our program. I remember when the fledgling Big East wanted us, but we weren't interested. Today? We are mired in an inconsequential conference and have watched VCU pass us by. Things need to change or we are simply stuck in place.

I went through the same hopes and aspirations that you did. Some bad decisions made by prior and current administrations have doomed basketball as we once knew it. Sad thing is that we used to be known for recruiting and developing big men and guard play was at times suspect.
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(02-11-2020 02:17 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 02:11 PM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 01:09 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  I’ve been an avid ODU basketball fan since the early 1970’s and have pretty much seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get. I wish it were better but I don’t see that in the near term. It is always “We are going to be REALLY GOOD next year”. Yes, they will have the occasional visit to the big dance only to be bounced after the first round. NIT appearances a bit more often but still only occasionally. It’s the nature of the program. In order to be great you have to expect to be great and I just don’t see it in this program. Sorry, but a bit of reality is in order.
Sad thing is, I thought in the late 70's and early 80's there was no ceiling for our program. I remember when the fledgling Big East wanted us, but we weren't interested. Today? We are mired in an inconsequential conference and have watched VCU pass us by. Things need to change or we are simply stuck in place.

I went through the same hopes and aspirations that you did. Some bad decisions made by prior and current administrations have doomed basketball as we once knew it. Sad thing is that we used to be known for recruiting and developing big men and guard play was at times suspect.

Isn’t that insane?

Washington, Gatling, West, bowdler, loughton, vasylius, Lee, hassell

To some guys who can’t make layups or putbacks against UTSA and FIU.

But we are going to be sooooooooo good next year lol.
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(02-11-2020 02:11 PM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 01:09 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  I’ve been an avid ODU basketball fan since the early 1970’s and have pretty much seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get. I wish it were better but I don’t see that in the near term. It is always “We are going to be REALLY GOOD next year”. Yes, they will have the occasional visit to the big dance only to be bounced after the first round. NIT appearances a bit more often but still only occasionally. It’s the nature of the program. In order to be great you have to expect to be great and I just don’t see it in this program. Sorry, but a bit of reality is in order.
Sad thing is, I thought in the late 70's and early 80's there was no ceiling for our program. I remember when the fledgling Big East wanted us, but we weren't interested. Today? We are mired in an inconsequential conference and have watched VCU pass us by. Things need to change or we are simply stuck in place.

As someone that has followed the team before they even became a University, or played a single game in Division 1, I feel the same as you just expressed.
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(02-11-2020 10:11 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:44 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:08 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  Anyone who thinks GOOD Sophomores don't turn into GREAT Seniors quite frequently, must not have a very long history watching CBB. Green will likely be an All-Conference player. Wade (assuming he comes back healthy) will be an All-Conference player. Curry, Ezikpe, and Oliver will likely be fringe All-Conference players, as well. Reece has shown tremendous upside, but he's still raw. If he can play under control and refine his skills, he could be a very good player.

The difference this season between 15 wins and 25 wins would have been 1-2 players making marginally more progress over the offseason than they already did. We have five players who should make pretty noticeable leaps next year. I'm not putting a ton of stock in Green making a big jump, but he can't regress. If only 4 players make a noticeable jump in progress next year, we'll likely be in the hunt for a Conference Championship.
I never said the core of players we have now will not be good or even great! I said we are lacking a big man to take pressure off of Reece and Ezipke. It is not fair to expect them to have to battle against taller more dominant players. I honestly feel that we are 1 quality big man away from going to the dance next year and making a statement.

Which taller, more dominant players have they gone against?
So, if the players we have are all "good", we don't need a big man, and we have a good coach, why the hell is the team 10-15. There just isn't a lot of reality around here.

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(02-11-2020 01:09 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  I’ve been an avid ODU basketball fan since the early 1970’s and have pretty much seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get. I wish it were better but I don’t see that in the near term. It is always “We are going to be REALLY GOOD next year”. Yes, they will have the occasional visit to the big dance only to be bounced after the first round. NIT appearances a bit more often but still only occasionally. It’s the nature of the program. In order to be great you have to expect to be great and I just don’t see it in this program. Sorry, but a bit of reality is in order.

And you see that right here with the "true fans". So happy that the team played hard and gave good effort. I wish I were the administration with so easily satisfied customers.
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(02-11-2020 01:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  VCU's and FIU "centers" are all the same size as Kalu. Richmonds is larger (and very good)

Vs. VCU Silva had 13 points, 1 block, and 4 rebounds in 25 mins.
Vs. Richmond, Golden had 19 points, 1 block, and 7 rebounds
Vs. FIU, Osaghae had 11 points, 6 blocks, and 9 rebounds in 34 mins.

There is no concern about it not being fair for them to battle against "taller, more dominant players."

All those players are upperclassmen. It takes much longer time to develop big men, unless they're a true talent. I think about the difference in Joe Reece. How about Frank the tank's first two years.
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(02-11-2020 04:31 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 02:11 PM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 01:09 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  I’ve been an avid ODU basketball fan since the early 1970’s and have pretty much seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get. I wish it were better but I don’t see that in the near term. It is always “We are going to be REALLY GOOD next year”. Yes, they will have the occasional visit to the big dance only to be bounced after the first round. NIT appearances a bit more often but still only occasionally. It’s the nature of the program. In order to be great you have to expect to be great and I just don’t see it in this program. Sorry, but a bit of reality is in order.
Sad thing is, I thought in the late 70's and early 80's there was no ceiling for our program. I remember when the fledgling Big East wanted us, but we weren't interested. Today? We are mired in an inconsequential conference and have watched VCU pass us by. Things need to change or we are simply stuck in place.

As someone that has followed the team before they even became a University, or played a single game in Division 1, I feel the same as you just expressed.

Me too, alum and fan since 1973
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(02-11-2020 06:05 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 01:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  VCU's and FIU "centers" are all the same size as Kalu. Richmonds is larger (and very good)

Vs. VCU Silva had 13 points, 1 block, and 4 rebounds in 25 mins.
Vs. Richmond, Golden had 19 points, 1 block, and 7 rebounds
Vs. FIU, Osaghae had 11 points, 6 blocks, and 9 rebounds in 34 mins.

There is no concern about it not being fair for them to battle against "taller, more dominant players."

All those players are upperclassmen. It takes much longer time to develop big men, unless they're a true talent. I think about the difference in Joe Reece. How about Frank the tank's first two years.
Agreed. And that's why it is a problem that JJ is not bringing in, and keeping, a solid big every 2 years

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(02-11-2020 06:05 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 01:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  VCU's and FIU "centers" are all the same size as Kalu. Richmonds is larger (and very good)

Vs. VCU Silva had 13 points, 1 block, and 4 rebounds in 25 mins.
Vs. Richmond, Golden had 19 points, 1 block, and 7 rebounds
Vs. FIU, Osaghae had 11 points, 6 blocks, and 9 rebounds in 34 mins.

There is no concern about it not being fair for them to battle against "taller, more dominant players."

All those players are upperclassmen. It takes much longer time to develop big men, unless they're a true talent. I think about the difference in Joe Reece. How about Frank the tank's first two years.

ODU has had some good Freshman and Sophomore centers in the past. To your point, ODU has started a Redshirt Senior this season.
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(02-11-2020 08:04 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 06:05 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 01:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  VCU's and FIU "centers" are all the same size as Kalu. Richmonds is larger (and very good)

Vs. VCU Silva had 13 points, 1 block, and 4 rebounds in 25 mins.
Vs. Richmond, Golden had 19 points, 1 block, and 7 rebounds
Vs. FIU, Osaghae had 11 points, 6 blocks, and 9 rebounds in 34 mins.

There is no concern about it not being fair for them to battle against "taller, more dominant players."

All those players are upperclassmen. It takes much longer time to develop big men, unless they're a true talent. I think about the difference in Joe Reece. How about Frank the tank's first two years.

ODU has had some good Freshman and Sophomore centers in the past. To your point, ODU has started a Redshirt Senior this season.

Loughton and Lee were both better as freshman than anything we currently have on the team.

Being from overseas helped I believe but it’s also a failure to recruit anything close in 6 years.
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(02-11-2020 04:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 10:11 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:44 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:08 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  Anyone who thinks GOOD Sophomores don't turn into GREAT Seniors quite frequently, must not have a very long history watching CBB. Green will likely be an All-Conference player. Wade (assuming he comes back healthy) will be an All-Conference player. Curry, Ezikpe, and Oliver will likely be fringe All-Conference players, as well. Reece has shown tremendous upside, but he's still raw. If he can play under control and refine his skills, he could be a very good player.

The difference this season between 15 wins and 25 wins would have been 1-2 players making marginally more progress over the offseason than they already did. We have five players who should make pretty noticeable leaps next year. I'm not putting a ton of stock in Green making a big jump, but he can't regress. If only 4 players make a noticeable jump in progress next year, we'll likely be in the hunt for a Conference Championship.
I never said the core of players we have now will not be good or even great! I said we are lacking a big man to take pressure off of Reece and Ezipke. It is not fair to expect them to have to battle against taller more dominant players. I honestly feel that we are 1 quality big man away from going to the dance next year and making a statement.

Which taller, more dominant players have they gone against?
So, if the players we have are all "good", we don't need a big man, and we have a good coach, why the hell is the team 10-15. There just isn't a lot of reality around here.

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Huh? The point was the reason we are losing has nothing to do with taller, more dominant players.
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(02-11-2020 08:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 04:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 10:11 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:44 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:08 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  Anyone who thinks GOOD Sophomores don't turn into GREAT Seniors quite frequently, must not have a very long history watching CBB. Green will likely be an All-Conference player. Wade (assuming he comes back healthy) will be an All-Conference player. Curry, Ezikpe, and Oliver will likely be fringe All-Conference players, as well. Reece has shown tremendous upside, but he's still raw. If he can play under control and refine his skills, he could be a very good player.

The difference this season between 15 wins and 25 wins would have been 1-2 players making marginally more progress over the offseason than they already did. We have five players who should make pretty noticeable leaps next year. I'm not putting a ton of stock in Green making a big jump, but he can't regress. If only 4 players make a noticeable jump in progress next year, we'll likely be in the hunt for a Conference Championship.
I never said the core of players we have now will not be good or even great! I said we are lacking a big man to take pressure off of Reece and Ezipke. It is not fair to expect them to have to battle against taller more dominant players. I honestly feel that we are 1 quality big man away from going to the dance next year and making a statement.

Which taller, more dominant players have they gone against?
So, if the players we have are all "good", we don't need a big man, and we have a good coach, why the hell is the team 10-15. There just isn't a lot of reality around here.

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Huh? The point was the reason we are losing has nothing to do with taller, more dominant players.

So (in your opinion) if we had some taller, more dominant players we would still be losing?
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We need a flipping center, no question . Open eyes will tell you that. We had one, he’s gone for whatever reason. They may have thought they had a back-up but he’s either too hurt or not good enough to even get on the court. ODU does a ok job of doubling the post now with our short guys but that just leaves other people open.

I think Jones knows he’s getting on a warm seat and needs to pick up the recruiting this coming season. I’m starting to hear from regular fans, folks who would never come on here, complaining about the state of revolving door of player's. Plus let me throw in. Everyone I know just hates CUSA.
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(02-12-2020 07:15 AM)mac Wrote:  We need a flipping center, no question . Open eyes will tell you that. We had one, he’s gone for whatever reason. They may have thought they had a back-up but he’s either too hurt or not good enough to even get on the court. ODU does a ok job of doubling the post now with our short guys but that just leaves other people open.

I think Jones knows he’s getting on a warm seat and needs to pick up the recruiting this coming season. I’m starting to hear from regular fans, folks who would never come on here, complaining about the state of revolving door of player's. Plus let me throw in. Everyone I know just hates CUSA.

We need a little bit of everything. But Kalu is fine at center and they need to add another body to replace Carver.

But they are really good at rebounding and defense has been solid. WSharing the ball and guys that can knock down shots is what this team needs more than anything. We dont have players that dish it to big men when they drive into the paint.
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(02-12-2020 07:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-12-2020 07:15 AM)mac Wrote:  We need a flipping center, no question . Open eyes will tell you that. We had one, he’s gone for whatever reason. They may have thought they had a back-up but he’s either too hurt or not good enough to even get on the court. ODU does a ok job of doubling the post now with our short guys but that just leaves other people open.

I think Jones knows he’s getting on a warm seat and needs to pick up the recruiting this coming season. I’m starting to hear from regular fans, folks who would never come on here, complaining about the state of revolving door of player's. Plus let me throw in. Everyone I know just hates CUSA.

We need a little bit of everything. But Kalu is fine at center and they need to add another body to replace Carver.

But they are really good at rebounding and defense has been solid. WSharing the ball and guys that can knock down shots is what this team needs more than anything. We dont have players that dish it to big men when they drive into the paint.

We don't have a big man to dish it to? Kalu is really good and athletic but can't stay on the floor. Even if he could he is a better fit at the #4 position. I would love to see him handle the ball more and shoot from outside. I think a lot of his skills are being wasted because we don't have a big man and he is forced to play the role. Reece is good but can't bang with the big boys! Once again a better fit at #4. We need a dominant big man!!!
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(02-12-2020 07:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-12-2020 07:15 AM)mac Wrote:  We need a flipping center, no question . Open eyes will tell you that. We had one, he’s gone for whatever reason. They may have thought they had a back-up but he’s either too hurt or not good enough to even get on the court. ODU does a ok job of doubling the post now with our short guys but that just leaves other people open.

I think Jones knows he’s getting on a warm seat and needs to pick up the recruiting this coming season. I’m starting to hear from regular fans, folks who would never come on here, complaining about the state of revolving door of player's. Plus let me throw in. Everyone I know just hates CUSA.

We need a little bit of everything. But Kalu is fine at center and they need to add another body to replace Carver.

But they are really good at rebounding and defense has been solid. WSharing the ball and guys that can knock down shots is what this team needs more than anything. We dont have players that dish it to big men when they drive into the paint.

This is kind of the point of the whole thing, in my opinion. We need to be better at every single position. Ironically I think our best spot right now is the point guard (ironic because we thought that would be our worst spot this season), but we only have one.

I just find it frustrating that we are weak at every position at this stage in our coach's tenure, as others are expressing as well.
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