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(02-10-2020 06:59 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Bryant.

Wasn't Bryant recruited under Haase though?

(02-10-2020 08:12 PM)DragonClaw Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:06 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  2 years around $400,000 a year. Buyout about $800,000

2 more after this one? Hmmm.

remember...half of that buyout is all on the AD from the unearned contract extension given a couple of years ago.

Bryant was a junior this season & this is Ehsan's 4th season so I'm thinking that Ehsan was already head coach when Bryant signed.

I believe Ehsan also was able to get some players to come here when he was still an assistant.

I couldn't name you which ones though.

Most coaches are given 4 years or so to get things going.
If the AD felt all heck wasn't breaking loose then he would give an extension for a year or two more.

(02-10-2020 08:10 PM)DragonClaw Wrote:  My wife is always asking me why Darling left (I think he was her darling)
Can anyone give the straight story?

I’m guessing it’s the same reason Norton left

(02-11-2020 07:05 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:10 PM)DragonClaw Wrote:  My wife is always asking me why Darling left (I think he was her darling)
Can anyone give the straight story?

I’m guessing it’s the same reason Norton left

Eshan was going towards a more defense minded system and Nate wanted to play in a more offense minded system like Haase use to run

(02-11-2020 07:57 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:05 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:10 PM)DragonClaw Wrote:  My wife is always asking me why Darling left (I think he was her darling)
Can anyone give the straight story?

I’m guessing it’s the same reason Norton left

Eshan was going towards a more defense minded system and Nate wanted to play in a more offense minded system like Haase use to run

LOL now we can't shoot threes to save our lives and we don't even play particularly good defense most of the time...

(02-12-2020 08:38 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:57 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:05 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:10 PM)DragonClaw Wrote:  My wife is always asking me why Darling left (I think he was her darling)
Can anyone give the straight story?

I’m guessing it’s the same reason Norton left

Eshan was going towards a more defense minded system and Nate wanted to play in a more offense minded system like Haase use to run

LOL now we can't shoot threes to save our lives and we don't even play particularly good defense most of the time...

Our defense is ranked in the top 50 in all of the NCAA which has 300+ schools, so the defense is there but the complete lack of offense is ridiculous.

Last I checked the defense is actually pretty good but then I actually watch the games. Offensively they are calling plays to be successful but the players have not developed but the the again it’s a young team and it’s the HCs fault there. I do NOT fault him for kicking Bryant to the curb. Right call there. That’s all I’ll say

Rice loss (cut and paste from the UNT thread, more appropriately posted here). Here's the deal.... We tried to play man against them and every one of their players who got on the floor could dribble, pass and were quick and their 2 big guards were hitting almost everything they threw up. Their offensive movement and passing of the ball were like lightning and we were just not agile enough to stay with them. Our defensive deficiencies were obvious within the first few minutes. The only times that our defense seemed to interfere with their game plan was when we went to a zone briefly from time to time. Otherwise, we were toast.
Interestingly ,, last year we threw up a 1-3-1 zone at times that seemed to mess up our opponents but I cant remember ever seeing that at all this year.

(02-12-2020 09:22 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 08:38 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:57 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:05 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:10 PM)DragonClaw Wrote:  My wife is always asking me why Darling left (I think he was her darling)
Can anyone give the straight story?

I’m guessing it’s the same reason Norton left

Eshan was going towards a more defense minded system and Nate wanted to play in a more offense minded system like Haase use to run

LOL now we can't shoot threes to save our lives and we don't even play particularly good defense most of the time...

Our defense is ranked in the top 50 in all of the NCAA which has 300+ schools, so the defense is there but the complete lack of offense is ridiculous.

Defense with no offensive support wears on a team after a while...

I'm not that sure that we are as good of a defensive team as the numbers imply. We play a slow paced game, which is going to lead to lower stats and make it look like our defense is better than it really is. However, I do agree that we have been better on defense this year than in previous years under Ehsan. It's just that we are worse overall. Time for a coaching change.

(02-12-2020 09:22 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 08:38 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:57 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:05 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:10 PM)DragonClaw Wrote:  My wife is always asking me why Darling left (I think he was her darling)
Can anyone give the straight story?

I’m guessing it’s the same reason Norton left

Eshan was going towards a more defense minded system and Nate wanted to play in a more offense minded system like Haase use to run

LOL now we can't shoot threes to save our lives and we don't even play particularly good defense most of the time...

Our defense is ranked in the top 50 in all of the NCAA which has 300+ schools, so the defense is there but the complete lack of offense is ridiculous.

Can you tell me where you are getting this data from? I'm looking at the sites most frequently referenced and I can't find that. I am likely just looking in the wrong place though.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-me...t/team/146 - #50 total defense

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-me...eam/145/p7 - conversely #310 total offense lol

(02-12-2020 09:22 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 08:38 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:57 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:05 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:10 PM)DragonClaw Wrote:  My wife is always asking me why Darling left (I think he was her darling)
Can anyone give the straight story?

I’m guessing it’s the same reason Norton left

Eshan was going towards a more defense minded system and Nate wanted to play in a more offense minded system like Haase use to run

LOL now we can't shoot threes to save our lives and we don't even play particularly good defense most of the time...

Our defense is ranked in the top 50 in all of the NCAA which has 300+ schools, so the defense is there but the complete lack of offense is ridiculous.

That's just PPG though, and you're going to be on the higher end when you're #325/353 in tempo, and when the offense has the ball for 18.9 seconds per possession (#317/353). Really we're #179/353 in defensive efficiency according to KenPom.

(02-12-2020 01:28 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-me...t/team/146 - #50 total defense

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-me...eam/145/p7 - conversely #310 total offense lol

Got it. That's strictly scoring, which is why I couldn't find it. Any of the advanced metrics have us in the 140-180 range, which seems appropriate to me.

(02-12-2020 02:06 PM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 09:22 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 08:38 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:57 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:05 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  I’m guessing it’s the same reason Norton left

Eshan was going towards a more defense minded system and Nate wanted to play in a more offense minded system like Haase use to run

LOL now we can't shoot threes to save our lives and we don't even play particularly good defense most of the time...

Our defense is ranked in the top 50 in all of the NCAA which has 300+ schools, so the defense is there but the complete lack of offense is ridiculous.

That's just PPG though, and you're going to be on the higher end when you're #325/353 in tempo, and when the offense has the ball for 18.9 seconds per possession (#317/353). Really we're #179/353 in defensive efficiency according to KenPom.

Yes this is true but our pace of play on offense is purposefully done to help our defense so really you have to take the PPG and the KenPom and find a middle ground with the both of them

(02-12-2020 02:32 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 02:06 PM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 09:22 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 08:38 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 07:57 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  Eshan was going towards a more defense minded system and Nate wanted to play in a more offense minded system like Haase use to run

LOL now we can't shoot threes to save our lives and we don't even play particularly good defense most of the time...

Our defense is ranked in the top 50 in all of the NCAA which has 300+ schools, so the defense is there but the complete lack of offense is ridiculous.

That's just PPG though, and you're going to be on the higher end when you're #325/353 in tempo, and when the offense has the ball for 18.9 seconds per possession (#317/353). Really we're #179/353 in defensive efficiency according to KenPom.

Yes this is true but our pace of play on offense is purposefully done to help our defense so really you have to take the PPG and the KenPom and find a middle ground with the both of them

That's an interesting take...that our pace of play on offense is supposed to help our defense. Contrast that to the Anderson years and the 40 minutes of Hades, and you have a defense that was designed to wear down the opponent and help our offense.

I am guessing that the defensive focus/slow pace is designed to hide our offensive woes and inability to shoot or create scoring opportunities. Whereas, the 40 minute full court D covered up the lack of shooters in a different way, by creating fast break points and specifically NOT playing a half-court offensive game.

I think most of us prefer the other strategy/philosophy to this one, as did the fans who came to games back then because of the exciting play.

(02-12-2020 04:03 PM)bftb Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 02:32 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 02:06 PM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 09:22 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 08:38 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  LOL now we can't shoot threes to save our lives and we don't even play particularly good defense most of the time...

Our defense is ranked in the top 50 in all of the NCAA which has 300+ schools, so the defense is there but the complete lack of offense is ridiculous.

That's just PPG though, and you're going to be on the higher end when you're #325/353 in tempo, and when the offense has the ball for 18.9 seconds per possession (#317/353). Really we're #179/353 in defensive efficiency according to KenPom.

Yes this is true but our pace of play on offense is purposefully done to help our defense so really you have to take the PPG and the KenPom and find a middle ground with the both of them

That's an interesting take...that our pace of play on offense is supposed to help our defense. Contrast that to the Anderson years and the 40 minutes of Hades, and you have a defense that was designed to wear down the opponent and help our offense.

I am guessing that the defensive focus/slow pace is designed to hide our offensive woes and inability to shoot or create scoring opportunities. Whereas, the 40 minute full court D covered up the lack of shooters in a different way, by creating fast break points and specifically NOT playing a half-court offensive game.

I think most of us prefer the other strategy/philosophy to this one, as did the fans who came to games back then because of the exciting play.

Its the Virginia mindset of play.
Make them guard for longer periods of time on defense and by the end of the game they will be to tired to produce on offense.
Its not a bad system and has worked for some teams (Virginia winning a national title with it) , us included at some level, but it is not the prettiest of basketball that's for dang sure.

(02-12-2020 04:13 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 04:03 PM)bftb Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 02:32 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 02:06 PM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 09:22 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  Our defense is ranked in the top 50 in all of the NCAA which has 300+ schools, so the defense is there but the complete lack of offense is ridiculous.

That's just PPG though, and you're going to be on the higher end when you're #325/353 in tempo, and when the offense has the ball for 18.9 seconds per possession (#317/353). Really we're #179/353 in defensive efficiency according to KenPom.

Yes this is true but our pace of play on offense is purposefully done to help our defense so really you have to take the PPG and the KenPom and find a middle ground with the both of them

That's an interesting take...that our pace of play on offense is supposed to help our defense. Contrast that to the Anderson years and the 40 minutes of Hades, and you have a defense that was designed to wear down the opponent and help our offense.

I am guessing that the defensive focus/slow pace is designed to hide our offensive woes and inability to shoot or create scoring opportunities. Whereas, the 40 minute full court D covered up the lack of shooters in a different way, by creating fast break points and specifically NOT playing a half-court offensive game.

I think most of us prefer the other strategy/philosophy to this one, as did the fans who came to games back then because of the exciting play.

Its the Virginia mindset of play.
Make them guard for longer periods of time on defense and by the end of the game they will be to tired to produce on offense.
Its not a bad system and has worked for some teams (Virginia winning a national title with it) , us included at some level, but it is not the prettiest of basketball that's for dang sure.

And Texas Tech, their opponent in the finals, was similar in style--demonstrating that "defense wins championships." But the truth is, both of those teams had shooters. And this year their shooters are gone, and so are they.

It's no use to wear the other team out (which really hasn't worked for us) if your offense lacks any kind of creativity and you can't put the ball in the hole.