(02-10-2020 11:02 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote: (02-10-2020 10:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: (02-10-2020 09:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Many of us including Bernie Sanders are calling for us to modal ourselves on healthcare like Israel, Canada, the UK, Germany, Japan, the Nordic countries, and others like that. Most of the countries used the single payer government run health care as an investment to keep people healthy from birth to death. It is an investment for babies to be grown up as healthy to work at jobs which brings in more money as an investment for their kids, and grandkids and great grandkids. I think we need that.
Bernie Sanders voted against bailing out the banks in 2008 and the auto bail outs. He voted against giving free money to oil companies to media companies as he said bailing them out is like giving them money that many paid no to a little taxes as possible. It was giving our money, the little people to the 1%.
So, lets leave aside the fact that none of the countries you've listed have even $200M people and a non-homogeneous population. Never mind the inevitable tax increase on those who make over $60K along with the Nationalization of the Energy sector that Kaplony mentioned as even Bernie know that there isn't enough money to bankroll this dream. We'll not talk about the fact that Sanders has no idea of how to increase the number of medical professionals and simply focus on this; The the US Gov't currently runs at least 4 social medical programs right now.
Medicare/Medicaid
Tricare
VA
ACA
Of the ones listed, which one do you think actually delivers on the medical services? I'll help you out and tell you its Tricare, but just barely. It has the advantage of applying health standards to at least one member of the family and can be withdrawn for noncompliance. As the General Public isn't signing up for that you are now left with three programs that are absolute failures. So why do you think the Federal Government can do better job with more people under its purview when it can't manage the ~100M it is responsible for now?
Medicare/Medicaid are generally rated with the highest satisfaction ratings in the country year after year.
People act like their health insurance companies don't constantly try to screw them. I don't understand it.
Medicaid is trash and the people that have it and like it, likely don't know any better. Most good doctors won't accept it. If you robbed people of their private insurance to force them onto such a program, it would likely incite a civil war, and that's not hyperbole.
People like Medicare because they take out WAY more in benefits on average than they ever paid in taxes. It's a very generous program that (shocker) is going bankrupt, and you would only exacerbate the problem if you attempted to put the entire country + any illegal in the world that can manage to get here, all on the same system.
There will need to be reforms to Medicare in the near future in order for it to become solvent. I'm personally for raising the eligibility age, since we are now living so much longer than when it was created, but it's political suicide for either side to take on that problem. People like bernie "win" on the issue by going the other way, promising shite that he knows he can never deliver -- even MORE generous benefits, dental, vision, long-term care, etc. He's so "honest".
Not to mention the drastic cut to reimbursement rates that doctors would be forced to accept. Talk about brain drain. Why invest 8 years in school to become a doctor to make a lower-middle class income, when you can go work in law, finance or tech. On top of all the other problems (bankrupting the country, costing millions of jobs, crashing the stock market), you would also create a "good doctor" shortage overnight.
Are you a college student by any chance? I ask because they are the only people naive enough to believe M4A is a good idea or would ever happen.
Health insurance companies don't "screw" anyone. They are legally bound by the contents of the policy. Some people don't take the time to understand their policies, and chalk up their ignorance as "getting screwed". Health insurance companies will deny claims for non-covered services, just like Medicare & Medicaid will.
I'll also counter that anecdote with actual polling -- M4A that bans private insurance polls at 13% approval.