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(02-07-2020 07:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:05 AM)Obiwan Wrote:  Why don’t y’all open up a chat room / beer summit? Once you resort to hey I got PMs to prove my popular stance - you are now merging Facebook “likes” into message board banter. You all are missing the obvious point Coach is making . He and his family sit in a section that have very loyal fans . Likely the past 10 years a group of at least 40 folks sit together . We’ve watched newborns grow up to young teenagers , even unfortunately miss a friend that left this earth . The fact of the matter is wether we work for the university , attended the university or just flat out associate with ODU - this is a time of year we all enjoy seeing each other while thoroughly enjoying the game of basketball. Add in the fact that the team at this moment is playing with heart and also in response to the direction of coach JJ whats not to admire ? Assumed authority in knowledge of basketball without a wallet that speaks or supports your criticism to make a true difference essentially is meaningless .

What angers me is the degree in which you guys have been manipulated by leadership into this groupthink. It does make sense why you enjoy these games and if you and your 40 friends were all that were left at them, you'd be fine with it. You don't have to trash the entire program to make your point. I don't think you are consciously trashing it, but I think you are so loyal go JJ and Wood Selig that it is what you have to do to defend them. You can admit that the AD and MBB program are moving in the wrong direction and at the same time enjoy meeting your 40 friends at the games. And loyalty to ODU and ODU athletics dosen't mean loyalty to that little weasel that has lied to you and stabbed you in the back countless times and is running the department like a Ponzi Scheme. The institution is much bigger than the individual.

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Fair and valid point . I conclude that at my age nearing the half century mark with a stressful job and the obvious challenges of being a good husband and a father to a 12 year old. At my age work/life balance is key .I leave the administrative duties up to the ODU athletics department . I tend to think they are aware of the fan frustration in support - you don’t think they are seeing a decline in attendance and concessions etc. All that to say it’s not worth the effort to maintain the same argument on here every game day - like Facebook politics minds aren’t changing . Your a good dude and I have seen you and your son several times enjoying a game - I think that’s what Coach is getting at ...

(02-07-2020 07:32 AM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:05 AM)Obiwan Wrote:  Why don’t y’all open up a chat room / beer summit? Once you resort to hey I got PMs to prove my popular stance - you are now merging Facebook “likes” into message board banter. You all are missing the obvious point Coach is making . He and his family sit in a section that have very loyal fans . Likely the past 10 years a group of at least 40 folks sit together . We’ve watched newborns grow up to young teenagers , even unfortunately miss a friend that left this earth . The fact of the matter is wether we work for the university , attended the university or just flat out associate with ODU - this is a time of year we all enjoy seeing each other while thoroughly enjoying the game of basketball. Add in the fact that the team at this moment is playing with heart and also in response to the direction of coach JJ whats not to admire ? Assumed authority in knowledge of basketball without a wallet that speaks or supports your criticism to make a true difference essentially is meaningless .

What angers me is the degree in which you guys have been manipulated by leadership into this groupthink. It does make sense why you enjoy these games and if you and your 40 friends were all that were left at them, you'd be fine with it. You don't have to trash the entire program to make your point. I don't think you are consciously trashing it, but I think you are so loyal go JJ and Wood Selig that it is what you have to do to defend them. You can admit that the AD and MBB program are moving in the wrong direction and at the same time enjoy meeting your 40 friends at the games. And loyalty to ODU and ODU athletics dosen't mean loyalty to that little weasel that has lied to you and stabbed you in the back countless times and is running the department like a Ponzi Scheme. The institution is much bigger than the individual.

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Fair and valid point . I conclude that at my age nearing the half century mark with a stressful job and the obvious challenges of being a good husband and a father to a 12 year old. At my age work/life balance is key .I leave the administrative duties up to the ODU athletics department . I tend to think they are aware of the fan frustration in support - you don’t think they are seeing a decline in attendance and concessions etc. All that to say it’s not worth the effort to maintain the same argument on here every game day - like Facebook politics minds aren’t changing . Your a good dude and I have seen you and your son several times enjoying a game - I think that’s what Coach is getting at ...

And, just to add a small point: what you are missing, Ever, if you are not attending the games this season, is a fan base that is very much engaged. It is not just Obiwan's 40 friends who are enjoying themselves. It is 5,000 (plus or minus), who are standing, cheering, getting on the refs, and (for the most part) staying to the end.

This is not meant as a defense of Coach Jones. I think it a valid criticism of him that he does not do enough to interact with our fan base.

But it is meant as a defense of those who find it irritating to be told, over an over again, after every game pretty much regardless of the outcome, that we are unworthy fans if we don't then join in pissing all over the team that we just spent 3 hours cheering hard for.

It's your right to be unhappy, whether justified or not. It is bad manners to insist that others be unhappy along with you.

You guys are funny. I have no loyalty to Jeff Jones or Wood Selig. My loyalty is to the basketball program. I just think some of our fans feel entitled to be something we've never been. I don't understand where that mindset comes from. We had a good run under Blaine, and some who are miserable now were miserable during that. To me, that is telling.

This message board is a very small portion of the fan base. Adopted said it much better than I could ever. Those who are at the games are supportive and engaged and recognize the effort this team plays with, and the string of bad luck they've had. They are a bunch of kids playing a game. I'm not sorry that it doesn't make me mad when things aren't going my way.

I think some of the criticisms of Jones and Selig are valid. I think Jones is a much better coach than some of you give him credit for, but I think in many ways, he's stuck in his ways and hasn't evolved with the modern game. But, as I look around the league, I'm not sure there are many coaches in our league I'd rather have. I think Selig over-promises and under-delivers, but his number one job is the financial health of the athletic department, and I am certainly not an insider enough to know about that. Broderick is probably the only one who can determine how well Selig is doing there.

I know it might seem like some of us are just rainbows and unicorns. But, the reality is, this is life in the mid-majors (particularly if you have a football team). If you can't handle the tough times with the good times, for your own health's sake, root for UNC.

(02-07-2020 07:32 AM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:05 AM)Obiwan Wrote:  Why don’t y’all open up a chat room / beer summit? Once you resort to hey I got PMs to prove my popular stance - you are now merging Facebook “likes” into message board banter. You all are missing the obvious point Coach is making . He and his family sit in a section that have very loyal fans . Likely the past 10 years a group of at least 40 folks sit together . We’ve watched newborns grow up to young teenagers , even unfortunately miss a friend that left this earth . The fact of the matter is wether we work for the university , attended the university or just flat out associate with ODU - this is a time of year we all enjoy seeing each other while thoroughly enjoying the game of basketball. Add in the fact that the team at this moment is playing with heart and also in response to the direction of coach JJ whats not to admire ? Assumed authority in knowledge of basketball without a wallet that speaks or supports your criticism to make a true difference essentially is meaningless .

What angers me is the degree in which you guys have been manipulated by leadership into this groupthink. It does make sense why you enjoy these games and if you and your 40 friends were all that were left at them, you'd be fine with it. You don't have to trash the entire program to make your point. I don't think you are consciously trashing it, but I think you are so loyal go JJ and Wood Selig that it is what you have to do to defend them. You can admit that the AD and MBB program are moving in the wrong direction and at the same time enjoy meeting your 40 friends at the games. And loyalty to ODU and ODU athletics dosen't mean loyalty to that little weasel that has lied to you and stabbed you in the back countless times and is running the department like a Ponzi Scheme. The institution is much bigger than the individual.

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Fair and valid point . I conclude that at my age nearing the half century mark with a stressful job and the obvious challenges of being a good husband and a father to a 12 year old. At my age work/life balance is key .I leave the administrative duties up to the ODU athletics department . I tend to think they are aware of the fan frustration in support - you don’t think they are seeing a decline in attendance and concessions etc. All that to say it’s not worth the effort to maintain the same argument on here every game day - like Facebook politics minds aren’t changing . Your a good dude and I have seen you and your son several times enjoying a game - I think that’s what Coach is getting at ...

Appreciate that.

Fact of the matter is I now have two toddler daughters and my wife, who stays at home with the girls all week, doesn't like sports so it becomes more and more difficult to justify leaving her with the girls and driving to Norfolk for 3 hours when she has been stuck in the house with them all week. Went to about 6-7 games last year and took some heat at home for it. I'd like to go to more games and frankly am a bit envious that you get to just go and all your friends and family are there. I really do get it. That is the frustrating part... we can be so much better... I've been there when there lines formed around the arena an hour before the game, when you couldn't get into any of the bars and restaurants in university village and even as far as Ghent they were packed with people in ODU gear, when games actually sold out, when the university provided entertainment inside and outside of the Ted, when ODU basketball made it to general conversation in the office everyday. I'm not longing for something we've never been... I have been there. Frustrates the heck out of me when people minimize all that like it never happened or can't happen. Just doesn't seem like anyone at ODU cares anymore. Even in our better years and aside from JJ's coaching they put in very little effort.

We may actually try to go tomorrow and bring my older daughter (4 year old). Not sure how long she will last, but the wife has a friend coming over and they have tickets from the Big Blue Kids Club so it is a good time to experiment. Say hi if you see us.

Everyone meet at the next game and whip em out so we can all see once and for all who's got the biggest ODU tattoo. Let's get some CUSA refs after the game to call it. Winner gets absolutely nothing. Loser gets absolutely nothing. (Sorry if that offends any of the ladies that post here!)

There are no winners in measuring fandom.

A handful of people enjoy rooting for the team win or lose.
A handful of people want more and are frustrated with the results.
A handful of people post that they enjoy the heart and guts of the team, maybe next year.
A handful of people read that as "I love and accept mediocrity."
A handful of people express frustration with that.
A handful of people take offense to that.
A handful of people devolve to name calling.

Rinse and repeat.

It reduces the value and enjoyment of the board overall. To be honest I'm tired of it too. I don't enjoy coming here to get info or read insights or opinions as much as I used to because I have to wade through all the bs. It's one thing to share your opinion and it's another to belittle another ODU fan because of a difference of opinion.

I think us mods have kept really lose grip on things because honestly this is a online forum and I believe in the 1st amendment. But, according to the AUP, if a person's actions force others to leave or not want to visit the site, we are justified in banning them. We're all adults right? Let's act like it.

Enjoy your weekend!

(02-06-2020 10:42 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:51 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  Carver continues to be a major liability. You can’t miss that dunk then miss FT’s. I’m not optimistic about next year either because it’s extremely unlikely we’ll add much in the way of a big man right away. Yes JJ made an adjustment at the half by double teaming Jackson off high pick and rolls but why didn’t he do that in 1st half before he buried us? We came back from so far down and just ran out of gas.

Carver had 20 boards tonight. He’s improved this year offensively but yeah, should have made that dunk.

He actually did make that dunk I thought. He threw it down so hard in bounced off the hand of a UTSA player who had his hand under the net. It all happened fast. At least that's what we thought at the game.

I think this board becomes a bit tiresome whenever we are losing this badly, I don't really blame all the negativity because the posts and the board SHOULD mirror the overall health of the season. Being 9-15 means we are all probably going to be a bit more frustrated than we would be when we are 20-6. Sorry if that is a bit of captain obvious, but it's a big reason why I decided to stay off the boards for an extended period of time. It was a nice break from the negativity and flagrant toxicity at times.

One issue I have is an old tired argument. The style of play we have (slow paced half-court offense and tight defense) is fine when we are winning, but man it really sucks when we are losing. I think every year we hear Jones say how we should expect something new to be excited about, only for it to be a zone defense that lasts about 2 minutes of game time. I think the last few years he has mentioned we will be playing faster, and yet we are still around #280 in possessions per game. I'm guessing that's still faster than before, but it's not saying much. If there is a better way to measure that let me know.

Another issue I have is, I find conference championships as the measuring tool for how well our program is doing. Not everyone agrees and that's fine, for instance you could argue our best team under Jones did not win the championship. However, the reason WHY I value championships is two-fold: (1) it sends the team to the NCAAT which brings arguably the most exposure the basketball team will ever have all season since our TV deal is atrocious; and (2) it means we have momentum for the program which SHOULD translate to better recruiting and teams in the future. That is my big deal with this season. I expected regression for sure. However, I did not expect 9-15 regression.

We are at present tied for 7th with 4 other teams in a one-bid league. 7th!! That's the worst we've ever been in CUSA. Why is it happening the year right after a championship?! That is my big concern. I was rooting for Jones and championship hard. He finally gets it... and then it's followed up with possibly his worst year ever at ODU? Is this really good for the program? In a rebuilding year in this crap of a conference, we should still be 4-6. We may wind up finishing there. But at the moment we are one game ahead of pod 3. Pods start after these next 3 games by the way... 2 of the 3 are teams below us in standings so we should win (UTSA was also below us before we played, so who really knows).

One last note. I just don't think it's right to berate each other out here. We are all fans of the team, obviously, or else we wouldn't bother with a login and type stuff that a few hundred (if that) will read. We all have different opinions which is great, and I learn quite a bit from a lot of you when you bring meaningful discussion. Being an anoymous poster has its downsides though, and often there this place becomes a place of toxicity. I just wish we could stop. If you get called out, don't retaliate, use the report function. Sorry if that seems whiny, but I don't think I was the only one who grew tired of this site and left for a period of time. Worst thing you can do is cause this place to dwindle to a few posters.

(02-07-2020 09:00 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Everyone meet at the next game and whip em out so we can all see once and for all who's got the biggest ODU tattoo. Let's get some CUSA refs after the game to call it. Winner gets absolutely nothing. Loser gets absolutely nothing. (Sorry if that offends any of the ladies that post here!)

There are no winners in measuring fandom.

A handful of people enjoy rooting for the team win or lose.
A handful of people want more and are frustrated with the results.
A handful of people post that they enjoy the heart and guts of the team, maybe next year.
A handful of people read that as "I love and accept mediocrity."
A handful of people express frustration with that.
A handful of people take offense to that.
A handful of people devolve to name calling.

Rinse and repeat.

It reduces the value and enjoyment of the board overall. To be honest I'm tired of it too. I don't enjoy coming here to get info or read insights or opinions as much as I used to because I have to wade through all the bs. It's one thing to share your opinion and it's another to belittle another ODU fan because of a difference of opinion.

I think us mods have kept really lose grip on things because honestly this is a online forum and I believe in the 1st amendment. But, according to the AUP, if a person's actions force others to leave or not want to visit the site, we are justified in banning them. We're all adults right? Let's act like it.

Enjoy your weekend!

Thanks for this - would like to see the entire forum be a little more inviting towards each other. EVERY game thread devolves into this same discussion - even the wins!

I think we all know where everyone stands on the JJ thing...fact is there is no way he is getting let go this year. Just not going to happen.

Can we at least wait on that conversation until next year? We aren't getting the results we all expect - I think most are on the same page there. There have still been some REALLY entertaining games this year. Wish more could stop and smell the roses even during the down year there is some excellent play on the floor and we have been able to watch some of our guys grow this year.

Plight of the mid-major and all that...anyway...point is I wish we could not rehash this same thing every game.

(02-07-2020 09:42 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 09:00 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Everyone meet at the next game and whip em out so we can all see once and for all who's got the biggest ODU tattoo. Let's get some CUSA refs after the game to call it. Winner gets absolutely nothing. Loser gets absolutely nothing. (Sorry if that offends any of the ladies that post here!)

There are no winners in measuring fandom.

A handful of people enjoy rooting for the team win or lose.
A handful of people want more and are frustrated with the results.
A handful of people post that they enjoy the heart and guts of the team, maybe next year.
A handful of people read that as "I love and accept mediocrity."
A handful of people express frustration with that.
A handful of people take offense to that.
A handful of people devolve to name calling.

Rinse and repeat.

It reduces the value and enjoyment of the board overall. To be honest I'm tired of it too. I don't enjoy coming here to get info or read insights or opinions as much as I used to because I have to wade through all the bs. It's one thing to share your opinion and it's another to belittle another ODU fan because of a difference of opinion.

I think us mods have kept really lose grip on things because honestly this is a online forum and I believe in the 1st amendment. But, according to the AUP, if a person's actions force others to leave or not want to visit the site, we are justified in banning them. We're all adults right? Let's act like it.

Enjoy your weekend!

Thanks for this - would like to see the entire forum be a little more inviting towards each other. EVERY game thread devolves into this same discussion - even the wins!

I think we all know where everyone stands on the JJ thing...fact is there is no way he is getting let go this year. Just not going to happen.

Can we at least wait on that conversation until next year? We aren't getting the results we all expect - I think most are on the same page there. There have still been some REALLY entertaining games this year. Wish more could stop and smell the roses even during the down year there is some excellent play on the floor and we have been able to watch some of our guys grow this year.

Plight of the mid-major and all that...anyway...point is I wish we could not rehash this same thing every game.

Count me as one who wants more and am quite disappointed with the way the season has gone. But I also think that the young players on this team have the potential to get us to that point. Give us some big men, maybe another PG, get JWade healthy, keep this group together, and they can be very good.

I was not in the dump JJ camp until after what has transpired this year. I held out hope that this years team would still be very good even after Stith and Caver departed. But players have not developed or have just left and JJ overall strategy with a very different team has shown little adjustment to fit the personnel. But the big thing that’s clear is that last years 1st round NCAAT wipe out is our peak with JJ. So the notion that people are just stuck in their opinions is not accurate. I’m convinced that we have little to lose by making a change except perhaps a contract buy out.

Fact, I watch every game from out of town by PAYING MONEY FOR IT.

Fact, I love that our team is fighting.

Fact, I love when we win (makes some of us feel like Jeff is doing something right).

Fact, I understand the team and players are hustling.

Fact, I love that our players are pouring their hearts into the game (they effing should)

Fact, some of the players are progressing.

Fact, some players have regressed.

Fact, Jeff Jones recruiting has been questionable.

Fact, I WILL BLEED BLUE FOREVER but regardless of all the above, WE NEED A CHANGE BECAUSE JEFF JONES ISNT GETTING RESULTS ON THE FLOOR. BLAME IT ON PLAYERS NOT EXECUTING BUT HE CHOSE THOSE PLAYERS.

It wasnt a secret that 4 years after Ahmad signed his LOI that he would be graduating. Stop the damn excuses.

Enjoy going to games and slapping ass with your 40 buddies though.

(02-07-2020 09:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  I was not in the dump JJ camp until after what has transpired this year. I held out hope that this years team would still be very good even after Stith and Caver departed. But players have not developed or have just left and JJ overall strategy with a very different team has shown little adjustment to fit the personnel. But the big thing that’s clear is that last years 1st round NCAAT wipe out is our peak with JJ. So the notion that people are just stuck in their opinions is not accurate. I’m convinced that we have little to lose by making a change except perhaps a contract buy out.

I don't see how last year was the peak for JJ when last years team was arguably not even his best team. Best end result. I'll take a first round exit in the NCAA over a NIT F4 no question. But that team was real close to getting to the dance with an at large and the following years team was equally close to getting there by winning the tourney. I'm not convinced he's peaked but I agree that close doesn't count and the end results of his tenure have not been fully satisfying. We'll see what next year brings.

(02-07-2020 11:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 09:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  I was not in the dump JJ camp until after what has transpired this year. I held out hope that this years team would still be very good even after Stith and Caver departed. But players have not developed or have just left and JJ overall strategy with a very different team has shown little adjustment to fit the personnel. But the big thing that’s clear is that last years 1st round NCAAT wipe out is our peak with JJ. So the notion that people are just stuck in their opinions is not accurate. I’m convinced that we have little to lose by making a change except perhaps a contract buy out.

I don't see how last year was the peak for JJ when last years team was arguably not even his best team. Best end result. I'll take a first round exit in the NCAA over a NIT F4 no question. But that team was real close to getting to the dance with an at large and the following years team was equally close to getting there by winning the tourney. I'm not convinced he's peaked but I agree that close doesn't count and the end results of his tenure have not been fully satisfying. We'll see what next year brings.

Last year wasn't even close to the best team. The Murray State and VCU games that one year was the only time in the JJ era that we got remotely close to the atmosphere we know we can get to. Last year we were a decent team that won a bad conference. There wasn't much energy behind it and we all knew we had no chance of making a tournament run. We were just happy to be there.

(02-07-2020 09:00 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Everyone meet at the next game and whip em out so we can all see once and for all who's got the biggest ODU tattoo. Let's get some CUSA refs after the game to call it. Winner gets absolutely nothing. Loser gets absolutely nothing. (Sorry if that offends any of the ladies that post here!)

There are no winners in measuring fandom.

A handful of people enjoy rooting for the team win or lose.
A handful of people want more and are frustrated with the results.
A handful of people post that they enjoy the heart and guts of the team, maybe next year.
A handful of people read that as "I love and accept mediocrity."
A handful of people express frustration with that.
A handful of people take offense to that.
A handful of people devolve to name calling.

Rinse and repeat.

It reduces the value and enjoyment of the board overall. To be honest I'm tired of it too. I don't enjoy coming here to get info or read insights or opinions as much as I used to because I have to wade through all the bs. It's one thing to share your opinion and it's another to belittle another ODU fan because of a difference of opinion.

I think us mods have kept really lose grip on things because honestly this is a online forum and I believe in the 1st amendment. But, according to the AUP, if a person's actions force others to leave or not want to visit the site, we are justified in banning them. We're all adults right? Let's act like it.

Enjoy your weekend!

Bump

(02-07-2020 08:27 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  You guys are funny. I have no loyalty to Jeff Jones or Wood Selig. My loyalty is to the basketball program. I just think some of our fans feel entitled to be something we've never been. I don't understand where that mindset comes from. We had a good run under Blaine, and some who are miserable now were miserable during that. To me, that is telling.

This message board is a very small portion of the fan base. Adopted said it much better than I could ever. Those who are at the games are supportive and engaged and recognize the effort this team plays with, and the string of bad luck they've had. They are a bunch of kids playing a game. I'm not sorry that it doesn't make me mad when things aren't going my way.

I think some of the criticisms of Jones and Selig are valid. I think Jones is a much better coach than some of you give him credit for, but I think in many ways, he's stuck in his ways and hasn't evolved with the modern game. But, as I look around the league, I'm not sure there are many coaches in our league I'd rather have. I think Selig over-promises and under-delivers, but his number one job is the financial health of the athletic department, and I am certainly not an insider enough to know about that. Broderick is probably the only one who can determine how well Selig is doing there.

I know it might seem like some of us are just rainbows and unicorns. But, the reality is, this is life in the mid-majors (particularly if you have a football team). If you can't handle the tough times with the good times, for your own health's sake, root for UNC.

I think some fans feel entitled to some things because there are teams that are our historical peers that have surpassed our standing (at least for now). I feel ODU has the support, facilities and budget to have kept up with those teams, yet we are at best stagnant and at worst falling behind the likes of VCU, GMU, Richmond, USF, UCF, Syracuse, VT etc. Those are teams we were absolutely equal to not that long ago. To their credit they somehow earned the improved perception, while we haven't. But its hard to accept you've stayed in place while your buddies have moved on.

Thank you.

(02-07-2020 12:35 PM)monarx Wrote:  I think some fans feel entitled to some things because there are teams that are our historical peers that have surpassed our standing (at least for now). I feel ODU has the support, facilities and budget to have kept up with those teams, yet we are at best stagnant and at worst falling behind the likes of VCU, GMU, Richmond, USF, UCF, Syracuse, VT etc. Those are teams we were absolutely equal to not that long ago. To their credit they somehow earned the improved perception, while we haven't. But its hard to accept you've stayed in place while your buddies have moved on.

VCU has invested the resources and stayed relevant in basketball. They have definitely passed ODU in hoops. But, they don't have football, and that is a factor.

GMU hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament since 2011. Since 2011, they have been under .500 overall.

Richmond, another program that hasn't done anything since 2011. If they don't make the tournament this year, a lot of fans are going to be putting up billboards again.

Syracuse played in the Final Four while ODU was still playing D2. I don't know when ODU was ever on their level.

USF hasn't been to the tournament since 2012. In the six years before last year, they had a combined 57 wins.

UCF has had one NCAA tournament appearance since 2005 (last year). They aren't playing much better than we are this year.

As for Virginia Tech, well, you can thank Mark Warner for that.

(02-07-2020 12:54 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 12:35 PM)monarx Wrote:  I think some fans feel entitled to some things because there are teams that are our historical peers that have surpassed our standing (at least for now). I feel ODU has the support, facilities and budget to have kept up with those teams, yet we are at best stagnant and at worst falling behind the likes of VCU, GMU, Richmond, USF, UCF, Syracuse, VT etc. Those are teams we were absolutely equal to not that long ago. To their credit they somehow earned the improved perception, while we haven't. But its hard to accept you've stayed in place while your buddies have moved on.

VCU has invested the resources and stayed relevant in basketball. They have definitely passed ODU in hoops. But, they don't have football, and that is a factor.

GMU hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament since 2011. Since 2011, they have been under .500 overall.

Richmond, another program that hasn't done anything since 2011. If they don't make the tournament this year, a lot of fans are going to be putting up billboards again.

Syracuse played in the Final Four while ODU was still playing D2. I don't know when ODU was ever on their level.

USF hasn't been to the tournament since 2012. In the six years before last year, they had a combined 57 wins.

UCF has had one NCAA tournament appearance since 2005 (last year). They aren't playing much better than we are this year.

As for Virginia Tech, well, you can thank Mark Warner for that.

I remember watching Dwayne “The Pearl” Washington play at Syracuse when I was younger. That boy could play. Syracuse has some good teams fhen.

(02-07-2020 09:25 AM)mac Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:42 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:51 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  Carver continues to be a major liability. You can’t miss that dunk then miss FT’s. I’m not optimistic about next year either because it’s extremely unlikely we’ll add much in the way of a big man right away. Yes JJ made an adjustment at the half by double teaming Jackson off high pick and rolls but why didn’t he do that in 1st half before he buried us? We came back from so far down and just ran out of gas.

Carver had 20 boards tonight. He’s improved this year offensively but yeah, should have made that dunk.

He actually did make that dunk I thought. He threw it down so hard in bounced off the hand of a UTSA player who had his hand under the net. It all happened fast. At least that's what we thought at the game.

Gosh I was really hoping it was goal tending. I watched the replay on ESPN+. The defender did get his hand tangled in the net but I don’t think he touched the ball. Not sure what the protocol is for reviewing plays but the refs didn’t call it or review it and I didn’t see Jones get that excited about either.

I'm not sure where the list monarx came up with came from, but here are my own rankings of schools in Virginia. Where do you think we fall on this list? A small bit of history along with current standings.


1. Virginia - National Champs.
2. VCU - 16 NCAAT appearances with 13 victories. 5th in A10 with a victory over ODU.
3. VT - 9 NCAAT appearances (3 in the last 3 years) and 6 victories (2 last year). 14-9 and mid/low tier ACC. I could see them being #2.
4. Liberty - won a NCAAT game last year, went to NCAAT in 2013, currently 22-3 and tied 1st place in ASUN
5. ODU - 11 NCAAT appearances with 3 victories, appearance last year. 9-15 and mid/low CUSA.
6. Richmond - 9 NCAAT appearances with 8 victories (last appearance 2011). 5th in A10 with a victory over ODU. I could see them being #5.
7. GMU - 6 NCAAT appearances, 5 games won, last appearance 2011. 13-9 and 11th in A10.
8. Radford - 3 NCAAT appearances, most recent 2018. 2nd in Big South.
9. W&M - recently announced a ~$50M renovation to their arena. 16-9, tied for 3rd in CAA. Has a victory over ODU.
10. NSU - 1 NCAAT appearance 2012, 1 win. 2nd in MEAC.
11. JMU - 5 NCAAT appearances, 4 wins (most recent win was play-in game, no wins since 83). Building a new arena. 9-14 with a victory over ODU. Tied last in CAA.
12/13/14. Hampton/Longwood/VMI

If you see something egregious or if I missed something, let me know. Should I have started a new thread?