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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-06-2020 06:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  With G5 incentivized not to expand to prevent further splitting up CFP payouts, I anticipate that number will be much lower.

I'm predicting 3:
James Madison
Missouri State
North Dakota ST (FB-only)

FBS is football only.

Seems like the prediction is JMU and Missouri State joining an FBS conference as full members, NDSU joining an FBS conference as a FB-only member.

If the Big Ten AD's had stood firm on their "no FCS games" agreement, I might see Northern Iowa and NDSU into the MAC FB-only, putting Toledo in the Eastern division. Not likely, but possible.

IOW, so Northern Iowa can continue to play Iowa and Iowa State in alternation.

But with the rule set at one FCS school in the year your division has four Big Ten home games, that hypothetical incentive for Northern Iowa to move has disappeared.

I don't think adding one East and one West school works for getting enough votes in the MAC for expansion ... it leaves Toledo and Bowling Green divided so the MAC would still have to have the locked cross division schedules, except the impact gets worse with only two cross division games per year. Between hosting Toledo more often, and adding JMU, I figure the majority of the MAC East votes to host Toledo more often, which is a "No" vote on adding JMU.
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-07-2020 01:43 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:05 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Schools with the potential to move now:
NDSU
SDSU
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Missouri State
JMU

Schools with the potential to move in a decade or so with more investment and success:
New Hampshire
Maine
Rhode Island
NC A&T
FAMU

I think the Dakotas are a lot like the Montana schools: they're happy in FCS. Delaware would be the same story. URI has no desire for FBS,.nor does New Hampshire. Maine, while a good program, falls in line with the Dakotas and the Montanas- happy in FCS. Now NC A&T could be a possibility, as well as Mizzou State & JMU. Dunno about FAMU.

I think schools are happy to be where they are until a better option arises. If the Dakotas and Montana can go to the same place together I think it makes moving up more palatable. Those three going to the west and joining up with the MWC in a east division with the front range schools (Wyoming, Air Force, CSU).

MWC 16:

East - SD St, ND St, Montana, CSU, Wyoming, Air Force, Utah St, Boise St

West - Hawaii, Fresno, San Jose, San Diego, UNLV, Nevada, New Mexico, UTEP

Not saying I think this will or would happen but it's a scenario where those three FCS schools would jump at. Hell you could even make those three FB only and let them stay in a more regional conference for all their other sports.
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-07-2020 02:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 06:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  With G5 incentivized not to expand to prevent further splitting up CFP payouts, I anticipate that number will be much lower.

I'm predicting 3:
James Madison
Missouri State
North Dakota ST (FB-only)

FBS is football only.

Seems like the prediction is JMU and Missouri State joining an FBS conference as full members, NDSU joining an FBS conference as a FB-only member.

If the Big Ten AD's had stood firm on their "no FCS games" agreement, I might see Northern Iowa and NDSU into the MAC FB-only, putting Toledo in the Eastern division. Not likely, but possible.

IOW, so Northern Iowa can continue to play Iowa and Iowa State in alternation.

But with the rule set at one FCS school in the year your division has four Big Ten home games, that hypothetical incentive for Northern Iowa to move has disappeared.

I don't think adding one East and one West school works for getting enough votes in the MAC for expansion ... it leaves Toledo and Bowling Green divided so the MAC would still have to have the locked cross division schedules, except the impact gets worse with only two cross division games per year. Between hosting Toledo more often, and adding JMU, I figure the majority of the MAC East votes to host Toledo more often, which is a "No" vote on adding JMU.

I went to the JMU board to get fans' opinions (yes, I know fans are not the decision makers), and they think JMU is holding out for a reshuffle between C-USA and the Sun Belt. They said they would like to be in a league with, namely, ODU, Marshall, and App State, along with other regional opponents. The MAC doesn't seem to be on their radar.

Take it FWIW.
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-07-2020 07:52 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 02:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 06:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  With G5 incentivized not to expand to prevent further splitting up CFP payouts, I anticipate that number will be much lower.

I'm predicting 3:
James Madison
Missouri State
North Dakota ST (FB-only)

FBS is football only.

Seems like the prediction is JMU and Missouri State joining an FBS conference as full members, NDSU joining an FBS conference as a FB-only member.

If the Big Ten AD's had stood firm on their "no FCS games" agreement, I might see Northern Iowa and NDSU into the MAC FB-only, putting Toledo in the Eastern division. Not likely, but possible.

IOW, so Northern Iowa can continue to play Iowa and Iowa State in alternation.

But with the rule set at one FCS school in the year your division has four Big Ten home games, that hypothetical incentive for Northern Iowa to move has disappeared.

I don't think adding one East and one West school works for getting enough votes in the MAC for expansion ... it leaves Toledo and Bowling Green divided so the MAC would still have to have the locked cross division schedules, except the impact gets worse with only two cross division games per year. Between hosting Toledo more often, and adding JMU, I figure the majority of the MAC East votes to host Toledo more often, which is a "No" vote on adding JMU.

I went to the JMU board to get fans' opinions (yes, I know fans are not the decision makers), and they think JMU is holding out for a reshuffle between C-USA and the Sun Belt. They said they would like to be in a league with, namely, ODU, Marshall, and App State, along with other regional opponents. The MAC doesn't seem to be on their radar.

Take it FWIW.

Likely true. In fact I don't see any more move ups happening unless there is a shake up at the G5 level. CUSA's Inn is certainly full and the SB and MAC seem content with their membership. I don't think anyone has the resources or desire to go the Liberty route nd move up to independent status. If the AAC replaces a UCONN and a spot opens up it would be interesting to see if JMU would accept a spot in one of the conferences as they stand now if approached. Of course with UMASS, Liberty and NMSU hanging out there replacing a single member from an AAC raid would not necessarily mean a move up. If there's some major shake ups who knows.
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-07-2020 07:52 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I went to the JMU board to get fans' opinions (yes, I know fans are not the decision makers), and they think JMU is holding out for a reshuffle between C-USA and the Sun Belt. They said they would like to be in a league with, namely, ODU, Marshall, and App State, along with other regional opponents. The MAC doesn't seem to be on their radar.

I don't the reputed interest by JMU in joining the MAC as #14 if UMass had exercised its option to join the MAC as a full member was driven by it's fans ... it was that in the eyes of the administration the MAC was reputable enough and the Sunbelt wasn't. And at that, the MAC was likely their third preference, after the AAC and CUSA.

If there's a shake-up and a conference were to emerge largely from the CUSA East and Sunbelt East, I expect JMU would take that, but obviously the more likely JMU is to take the invite the less likely the conference is to extend it.
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I got the impression the MAC only wanted teams who wanted to be there and not because they couldn't get into CUSA. There was stuff floating out there about a couple of FCS schools who weren't getting sniffs, and I had to think the MAC simply didn't want to deal with the shuffling of members if realignment meant picking up someone and then losing them shortly after.

When Stony Brook started its big fundraising campaign, and talked about moving into something bigger and better than where they were, I think they were talking about MAC. Schools like Stony could be no different than Coastal Carolina or Liberty, who wanted into CAA, but were/are withheld by the politics. Coastal hit the jackpot (and I really do believe that if the CAA or even SoCon took them, they may not have thrown their hat into the ring for Sun Belt), and Liberty challenged the rule.

So many people think that if UMass took the MAC invitation, JMU was the next call. Could there have been a slight hint that Stony was that other school?
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
I can't see Stony Brook (or any SUNY school) moving up.

I could potentially see Wichita State starting a program if the AAC can't get a permanent change to the CCG rule but can get an extension until WSU fields a team.

Otherwise it has to be someone with Liberty's endowment.
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The P5 don’t want to see anymore schools added to FBS. The G5 conferences are acutely aware of this and fearing the kind of culling of the herd that occurred in 1978-1984 they will doing their best to keep the flow of upgrades to a trickle if not a complete end.
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-06-2020 05:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  With G5 incentivized not to expand to prevent further splitting up CFP payouts, I anticipate that number will be much lower.

I'm predicting 3:
James Madison
Missouri State
North Dakota ST (FB-only)

Every FBS school is FB only
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(02-07-2020 09:24 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  With G5 incentivized not to expand to prevent further splitting up CFP payouts, I anticipate that number will be much lower.

I'm predicting 3:
James Madison
Missouri State
North Dakota ST (FB-only)

Every FBS school is FB only

I think he meant NDSU would join an FBS conference only for football. Other sports would remain in the Summit.
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
With the difference between the MAC and MVFC fairly small, I could see NDSU, SDSU, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri St making the jump, especially if one does others could follow
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(02-07-2020 08:46 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 07:52 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 02:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 06:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  With G5 incentivized not to expand to prevent further splitting up CFP payouts, I anticipate that number will be much lower.

I'm predicting 3:
James Madison
Missouri State
North Dakota ST (FB-only)

FBS is football only.

Seems like the prediction is JMU and Missouri State joining an FBS conference as full members, NDSU joining an FBS conference as a FB-only member.

If the Big Ten AD's had stood firm on their "no FCS games" agreement, I might see Northern Iowa and NDSU into the MAC FB-only, putting Toledo in the Eastern division. Not likely, but possible.

IOW, so Northern Iowa can continue to play Iowa and Iowa State in alternation.

But with the rule set at one FCS school in the year your division has four Big Ten home games, that hypothetical incentive for Northern Iowa to move has disappeared.

I don't think adding one East and one West school works for getting enough votes in the MAC for expansion ... it leaves Toledo and Bowling Green divided so the MAC would still have to have the locked cross division schedules, except the impact gets worse with only two cross division games per year. Between hosting Toledo more often, and adding JMU, I figure the majority of the MAC East votes to host Toledo more often, which is a "No" vote on adding JMU.

I went to the JMU board to get fans' opinions (yes, I know fans are not the decision makers), and they think JMU is holding out for a reshuffle between C-USA and the Sun Belt. They said they would like to be in a league with, namely, ODU, Marshall, and App State, along with other regional opponents. The MAC doesn't seem to be on their radar.

Take it FWIW.

Likely true. In fact I don't see any more move ups happening unless there is a shake up at the G5 level. CUSA's Inn is certainly full and the SB and MAC seem content with their membership. I don't think anyone has the resources or desire to go the Liberty route nd move up to independent status. If the AAC replaces a UCONN and a spot opens up it would be interesting to see if JMU would accept a spot in one of the conferences as they stand now if approached. Of course with UMASS, Liberty and NMSU hanging out there replacing a single member from an AAC raid would not necessarily mean a move up. If there's some major shake ups who knows.

If the Atlantic 10 continues to fade in basketball, it seems more likely the MAC would add UMass and then offer UConn for football only.
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(02-07-2020 09:46 AM)Illini60940 Wrote:  With the difference between the MAC and MVFC fairly small, I could see NDSU, SDSU, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri St making the jump, especially if one does others could follow

You're an idiot. Dear lord how many burner accounts is DavidSt allowed to have......
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Is it true DavidST has relatives in other states that make accounts and post here?
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(02-07-2020 10:35 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:46 AM)Illini60940 Wrote:  With the difference between the MAC and MVFC fairly small, I could see NDSU, SDSU, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri St making the jump, especially if one does others could follow

You're an idiot. Dear lord how many burner accounts is DavidSt allowed to have......

I don't think anything I said is earthshattering or a big stretch, MAC is the weakest FBS and MVFC is the best FCS. Several of their schools could step in right now and be competitive in all sports.
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(02-07-2020 12:13 PM)Illini60940 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:35 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:46 AM)Illini60940 Wrote:  With the difference between the MAC and MVFC fairly small, I could see NDSU, SDSU, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri St making the jump, especially if one does others could follow

You're an idiot. Dear lord how many burner accounts is DavidSt allowed to have......

I don't think anything I said is earthshattering or a big stretch, MAC is the weakest FBS and MVFC is the best FCS. Several of their schools could step in right now and be competitive in all sports.

Do you understand the concept of time and distance?
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(02-07-2020 11:46 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Is it true DavidST has relatives in other states that make accounts and post here?

It wouldn’t shock me.....
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(02-07-2020 09:13 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The P5 don’t want to see anymore schools added to FBS. The G5 conferences are acutely aware of this and fearing the kind of culling of the herd that occurred in 1978-1984 they will doing their best to keep the flow of upgrades to a trickle if not a complete end.

Says who?

If I'm the P5 I'm hoping the non-power 5 keeps expanding so that it drives down the ever-increasing buy-game market.
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(02-07-2020 09:46 AM)Illini60940 Wrote:  With the difference between the MAC and MVFC fairly small, I could see NDSU, SDSU, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri St making the jump, especially if one does others could follow

I'm not sure what Missouri State has done to be mentioned in the same sentence as the others.
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(02-07-2020 01:28 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:46 AM)Illini60940 Wrote:  With the difference between the MAC and MVFC fairly small, I could see NDSU, SDSU, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri St making the jump, especially if one does others could follow

I'm not sure what Missouri State has done to be mentioned in the same sentence as the others.
They exist. Kind of like how several schools are mentioned in realignment piped dreams because of their supposed suppressed potential by being in the wrong conference or division.

MoSt has decent basketball. Decent baseball. Terrible football but were (maybe are?) growing at a higher rate than Mizzou, didn't have the controversy in political nature that Mizzou had, and a state "flagship". Also, their facilities already qualify for FBS.
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