(02-03-2020 11:13 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:00 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 10:54 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 10:51 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  No. Mahomes never through a duck into the air for the defenders to just get under for an easy pick. G was throwing little 4-5 yard passes to get to 18-21. C'mon dude. Did you even watch the game? SF hasn't trusted G all year. Their defense and ground game have been exemplary.

Mahomes picks were tipped passes off the receivers.

I absolutely watched the game. I don't GAF what happened all season, we are talking about the first 3 quarters of the super bowl, Mahomes also had a terrible pick and a fumble he was lucky to recover. Mahomes had a great Q4 because the niners couldn't keep the offense and keep him off the field going mainly because Jimmy was terrible in Q4.

Mahomes came through when it matters, that's really all that matters anyways. I'm happy for Andy Reid

That was my point. He wasn't a capable QB to win that game. He was average at best the first three quarters and terrible down the stretch. If they had a good QB, SF wins that game. That was my point. It wasn't 100% on the coaching.

I called this on here well before the game. Force Jimmy G to be the one to have to beat you and you beat SF. Which isn't easy b/c that means you need to get out in front of SF by multiple scores. They're defense all year and through most of the SB prevented that. Once it happened though, there's no way SF wins in a shootout... not with Jimmy G... EVER.

Average at Best isn't 18-21, sorry. And you are wrong again with the EVER comment, you forget the 48-46 win over the Saints? win a shootout rarely, sure. Not ever? Wrong again.

That's fair. I did forget about that game. Rarely is acceptable.

His other 2 great games were Vs. the Cards, So, I'll discount that a bit

(02-03-2020 11:16 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:13 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:00 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 10:54 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I absolutely watched the game. I don't GAF what happened all season, we are talking about the first 3 quarters of the super bowl, Mahomes also had a terrible pick and a fumble he was lucky to recover. Mahomes had a great Q4 because the niners couldn't keep the offense and keep him off the field going mainly because Jimmy was terrible in Q4.

Mahomes came through when it matters, that's really all that matters anyways. I'm happy for Andy Reid

That was my point. He wasn't a capable QB to win that game. He was average at best the first three quarters and terrible down the stretch. If they had a good QB, SF wins that game. That was my point. It wasn't 100% on the coaching.

I called this on here well before the game. Force Jimmy G to be the one to have to beat you and you beat SF. Which isn't easy b/c that means you need to get out in front of SF by multiple scores. They're defense all year and through most of the SB prevented that. Once it happened though, there's no way SF wins in a shootout... not with Jimmy G... EVER.

Average at Best isn't 18-21, sorry. And you are wrong again with the EVER comment, you forget the 48-46 win over the Saints? win a shootout rarely, sure. Not ever? Wrong again.

That's fair. I did forget about that game. Rarely is acceptable.

His other 2 great games were Vs. the Cards, So, I'll discount that a bit

Yeah, his stats vs the Saints were pretty good. 4 TDs, 1 INT and 349 yards. That was impressive.

He's still an average QB on a team with a very talented defense. Like others said, it was clear that Shanahan didn't really trust him to throw the ball much though.

Also, to be completely fair... Kittle screwed him by pushing off on his defender on that deep ball. That was a really good deep ball that would have given them a halftime lead and "maybe" changed the outcome of the game? Maybe. That was 100% on Kittle.

(02-03-2020 11:19 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:16 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:13 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:00 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  That was my point. He wasn't a capable QB to win that game. He was average at best the first three quarters and terrible down the stretch. If they had a good QB, SF wins that game. That was my point. It wasn't 100% on the coaching.

I called this on here well before the game. Force Jimmy G to be the one to have to beat you and you beat SF. Which isn't easy b/c that means you need to get out in front of SF by multiple scores. They're defense all year and through most of the SB prevented that. Once it happened though, there's no way SF wins in a shootout... not with Jimmy G... EVER.

Average at Best isn't 18-21, sorry. And you are wrong again with the EVER comment, you forget the 48-46 win over the Saints? win a shootout rarely, sure. Not ever? Wrong again.

That's fair. I did forget about that game. Rarely is acceptable.

His other 2 great games were Vs. the Cards, So, I'll discount that a bit

Yeah, his stats vs the Saints were pretty good. 4 TDs, 1 INT and 349 yards. That was impressive.

He's still an average QB on a team with a very talented defense. Like others said, it was clear that Shanahan didn't really trust him to throw the ball much though.

Also, to be completely fair... Kittle screwed him by pushing off on his defender on that deep ball. That was a really good deep ball that would have given them a halftime lead and "maybe" changed the outcome of the game? Maybe. That was 100% on Kittle.

Fore sure, that was a nicely thrown ball and he likely could have caught it without the push off. That's where Shanahan messed up though. He had a running game that was getting a good number of chunk yards, and that was opening up the short routes for Jimmy. We went away from that, and then his offense couldn't stay on the field. It's almost identical to the ATL- Pats Superbowl(obviously bigger lead). But in that game he had a running game that was chewing the Pats up, he went away from it, offense couldn't stay on the field, allowed Pats to come back.

If I'm a Niners fan, that's what has me concerned is he clearly didn't learn from his past mistakes on the biggest stage.

(02-03-2020 10:49 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Jimmy was 18-21, and Mahomes was missing WR left and right and had a bad pick too. YES he was. But, Mahomes came up big when it counted that's really all that matters.

He only had 219 yards on 31 throws, for a paltry 7.1 yards per attempt. Its easy to complete at a high % when you're dinking and dunking. I saw a couple nice intermediate throws but nothing special.

Mahomes deserved the benefit of the doubt for having a crappy 3 quarters, especially since he finished the game like he had been doing all postseason.

Not to mention he was going up against the NFL's top defense, which is of course why the spread was small and a lot of people picked SF in the first place.

(02-03-2020 12:33 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 10:49 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Jimmy was 18-21, and Mahomes was missing WR left and right and had a bad pick too. YES he was. But, Mahomes came up big when it counted that's really all that matters.

He only had 219 yards on 31 throws, for a paltry 7.1 yards per attempt. Its easy to complete at a high % when you're dinking and dunking. I saw a couple nice intermediate throws but nothing special.

Mahomes deserved the benefit of the doubt for having a crappy 3 quarters, especially since he finished the game like he had been doing all postseason.

Not to mention he was going up against the NFL's top defense, which is of course why the spread was small and a lot of people picked SF in the first place.

You are cherry picking. That 7.1 was much higher on the 18-21 before he went 2 for his last 10.

Also, You are giving credit to Mahomes, who had a "Paltry" 6.80 per attempt, but knocking Jimmy for same stat with higher result. Did you think i wouldn't cross check your cherry pick?

(02-03-2020 12:45 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 12:33 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 10:49 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Jimmy was 18-21, and Mahomes was missing WR left and right and had a bad pick too. YES he was. But, Mahomes came up big when it counted that's really all that matters.

He only had 219 yards on 31 throws, for a paltry 7.1 yards per attempt. Its easy to complete at a high % when you're dinking and dunking. I saw a couple nice intermediate throws but nothing special.

Mahomes deserved the benefit of the doubt for having a crappy 3 quarters, especially since he finished the game like he had been doing all postseason.

Not to mention he was going up against the NFL's top defense, which is of course why the spread was small and a lot of people picked SF in the first place.

You are cherry picking. That 7.1 was much higher on the 18-21 before he went 2 for his last 10.

Too bad football games are 60 minutes, not 45.

(02-03-2020 12:49 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Also, You are giving credit to Mahomes, who had a "Paltry" 6.80 per attempt, but knocking Jimmy for same stat with higher result. Did you think i wouldn't cross check your cherry pick?

I already admitted it was hardly Pat's best game. But the point is he'd earned the benefit of the doubt. Jimmy G hadn't.

And you're also not acknowledging the impact that SF had as the # 1 defense in the NFL. They did that to lot's of other elite QB's.

(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 12:49 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Also, You are giving credit to Mahomes, who had a "Paltry" 6.80 per attempt, but knocking Jimmy for same stat with higher result. Did you think i wouldn't cross check your cherry pick?

I already admitted it was hardly Pat's best game. But the point is he'd earned the benefit of the doubt. Jimmy G hadn't.

And you're also not acknowledging the impact that SF had as the # 1 defense in the NFL. They did that to lot's of other elite QB's.

So you can pick on Jimmy's 7 yards per attempt and ignore Mahomes which was less, because he's earned the benefit of the doubt? LOL. Also find a bit of irony that the JEts fan on the board is so critical of other teams QBs, most of whom are as good or better as anyone you have had in the last 20 years.....

(02-03-2020 02:07 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 12:49 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Also, You are giving credit to Mahomes, who had a "Paltry" 6.80 per attempt, but knocking Jimmy for same stat with higher result. Did you think i wouldn't cross check your cherry pick?

I already admitted it was hardly Pat's best game. But the point is he'd earned the benefit of the doubt. Jimmy G hadn't.

And you're also not acknowledging the impact that SF had as the # 1 defense in the NFL. They did that to lot's of other elite QB's.

So you can pick on Jimmy's 7 yards per attempt and ignore Mahomes which was less, because he's earned the benefit of the doubt? LOL. Also find a bit of irony that the JEts fan on the board is so critical of other teams QBs, most of whom are as good or better as anyone you have had in the last 20 years.....

(02-03-2020 02:07 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 12:49 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Also, You are giving credit to Mahomes, who had a "Paltry" 6.80 per attempt, but knocking Jimmy for same stat with higher result. Did you think i wouldn't cross check your cherry pick?

I already admitted it was hardly Pat's best game. But the point is he'd earned the benefit of the doubt. Jimmy G hadn't.

And you're also not acknowledging the impact that SF had as the # 1 defense in the NFL. They did that to lot's of other elite QB's.

So you can pick on Jimmy's 7 yards per attempt and ignore Mahomes which was less, because he's earned the benefit of the doubt? LOL. Also find a bit of irony that the JEts fan on the board is so critical of other teams QBs, most of whom are as good or better as anyone you have had in the last 20 years.....

It's because I'm a Jets fan that I get to be critical of bad QB's. I've been watching bad QB's for years. I'm an expert on the topic.

Bottom line of all this is you got the pick wrong, Hoops. CG and I got it right. Once again, how's that d**k taste?

(02-03-2020 02:39 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Bottom line of all this is you got the pick wrong, Hoops. CG and I got it right. Once again, how's that d**k taste?

I wanted KC to win, so i'm fine with it. As far as how a d#$% tastes, i'll have to rely on your expertise there.

As we get closer to NFL free agency, it looks like Brandon Beane badly wants to bring back CB Tre'Davious White for the Bills:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...ious-white

(03-05-2020 03:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  As we get closer to NFL free agency, it looks like Brandon Beane badly wants to bring back CB Tre'Davious White for the Bills:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...ious-white

Bills should be good next season. Pretty crazy how quick him and McDermott have changed the culture there.

Brady leaving NE...............

(03-17-2020 08:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Brady leaving NE...............

That's a good thing for you guys. He's toast.

lol @ Mike Reiss the Pats ESPN beat reporter. He put the odds of Brady staying at 80 %. What a tool.

Glad to see the NFL offseason wasn't pushed back. We've got SOMETHING to talk about in the sports world other than our own coaching hire.

(03-17-2020 08:24 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Glad to see the NFL offseason wasn't pushed back. We've got SOMETHING to talk about in the sports world other than our own coaching hire.

Agree. We need something.

And i agree they might be better without him, it just doesn't make sense. He had a better chance of winning there than he would in say Tampa.

(03-17-2020 08:27 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Agree. We need something.

And i agree they might be better without him, it just doesn't make sense. He had a better chance of winning there than he would in say Tampa.

Might not have been up to him. Kraft said he was going to leave the decision up to Belichick and Brady, and we all know Belichick strongly favors winning over sentiment. He may have just allowed Brady to be the one to make the statement that he was leaving so it didn't look like Belichick was the one moving on.