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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  
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(01-27-2020 01:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 01:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Postseason success is not a good benchmark for how good a conference is overall. Otherwise, the ACC is clearly the second best football conference because of Clemson’s playoff appearances.

I tend to agree with this, although I do think in hoops, NCAA tournament bids is a good marker, as this goes beyond merely who wins the national title, which is always a single team.

But looking at RealTime Conference RPI for 2008 - 2012, as that covers all teams and the period leading up to ACC raids on Big East:

Year ......... ACC .... Big East

2008 ........ 1 ........ 5
2009 ........ 1 ........ 4
2010 ........ 3 ........ 2
2011 ........ 5 ........ 1
2012 ........ 6 ........ 2

To me, this looks like a pattern of the Big East surpassing the ACC as the ACC tumbled from the top.

For two seasons and then what? Syracuse hasn’t been close to dominating the ACC, Pitt has finally turned the corner after being shellacked for a few seasons, and Louisville has performed fairly well. Notre Dame is now back to Earth after a few strong showings. If it was a true trend then they would all be atop the ACC standings, no?

The fact that those Big East teams had surpassed the ACC is shown in the first couple of seasons after the last expansion:

2013-14 Syracuse won their 1st 12 ACC games in a row, including wins over UNC and Duke, finished 2nd (behind UVa).
2014-15 Notre Dame 3rd, Louisville 4th, Syracuse 8th.

Keep in mind: the ACC only added 4 teams, and 3 of them tore it up in hoops at first (now it's down to Louisville - but that may be due to a lot of things)

Good point, Gobbler. I forgot about Syracuse starting hot and then proceeding to be an also-ran in the conference. Once ACC coaches figured them out, it was o-v-a.

You failed to mention Pitt.

Kind of a kooky post. It was injuries that got to Syracuse after starting 25-0 its first season in the ACC. No one ever went 25-0 in the BE, NO ONE. Then Syracuse went on probation and missed out on some great players. But ND came into the ACC in its first season and won that tourney, which they never came close to doing in the BE.
And looking at the stats that have been provided that shows how the BE totally dominated in NCAA wins and Sweet 16 appearances and Final Four appearances, the point has been proven.
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-28-2020 06:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 08:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 01:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I tend to agree with this, although I do think in hoops, NCAA tournament bids is a good marker, as this goes beyond merely who wins the national title, which is always a single team.

But looking at RealTime Conference RPI for 2008 - 2012, as that covers all teams and the period leading up to ACC raids on Big East:

Year ......... ACC .... Big East

2008 ........ 1 ........ 5
2009 ........ 1 ........ 4
2010 ........ 3 ........ 2
2011 ........ 5 ........ 1
2012 ........ 6 ........ 2

To me, this looks like a pattern of the Big East surpassing the ACC as the ACC tumbled from the top.

For two seasons and then what? Syracuse hasn’t been close to dominating the ACC, Pitt has finally turned the corner after being shellacked for a few seasons, and Louisville has performed fairly well. Notre Dame is now back to Earth after a few strong showings. If it was a true trend then they would all be atop the ACC standings, no?

The fact that those Big East teams had surpassed the ACC is shown in the first couple of seasons after the last expansion:

2013-14 Syracuse won their 1st 12 ACC games in a row, including wins over UNC and Duke, finished 2nd (behind UVa).
2014-15 Notre Dame 3rd, Louisville 4th, Syracuse 8th.

Keep in mind: the ACC only added 4 teams, and 3 of them tore it up in hoops at first (now it's down to Louisville - but that may be due to a lot of things)

Good point, Gobbler. I forgot about Syracuse starting hot and then proceeding to be an also-ran in the conference. Once ACC coaches figured them out, it was o-v-a.

You failed to mention Pitt.

Kind of a kooky post. It was injuries that got to Syracuse after starting 25-0 its first season in the ACC. No one ever went 25-0 in the BE, NO ONE. Then Syracuse went on probation and missed out on some great players. But ND came into the ACC in its first season and won that tourney, which they never came close to doing in the BE.
And looking at the stats that have been provided that shows how the BE totally dominated in NCAA wins and Sweet 16 appearances and Final Four appearances, the point has been proven.

They had a good season, and then what? A game over .500 has been the pinnacle after that. Syracuse may not have gone 25-0, but they went 17-1 in the Big East. That’s my kooky point.
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(01-28-2020 07:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 06:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 08:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  For two seasons and then what? Syracuse hasn’t been close to dominating the ACC, Pitt has finally turned the corner after being shellacked for a few seasons, and Louisville has performed fairly well. Notre Dame is now back to Earth after a few strong showings. If it was a true trend then they would all be atop the ACC standings, no?

The fact that those Big East teams had surpassed the ACC is shown in the first couple of seasons after the last expansion:

2013-14 Syracuse won their 1st 12 ACC games in a row, including wins over UNC and Duke, finished 2nd (behind UVa).
2014-15 Notre Dame 3rd, Louisville 4th, Syracuse 8th.

Keep in mind: the ACC only added 4 teams, and 3 of them tore it up in hoops at first (now it's down to Louisville - but that may be due to a lot of things)

Good point, Gobbler. I forgot about Syracuse starting hot and then proceeding to be an also-ran in the conference. Once ACC coaches figured them out, it was o-v-a.

You failed to mention Pitt.

Kind of a kooky post. It was injuries that got to Syracuse after starting 25-0 its first season in the ACC. No one ever went 25-0 in the BE, NO ONE. Then Syracuse went on probation and missed out on some great players. But ND came into the ACC in its first season and won that tourney, which they never came close to doing in the BE.
And looking at the stats that have been provided that shows how the BE totally dominated in NCAA wins and Sweet 16 appearances and Final Four appearances, the point has been proven.

They had a good season, and then what? A game over .500 has been the pinnacle after that. Syracuse may not have gone 25-0, but they went 17-1 in the Big East. That’s my kooky point.

Syracuse actually has gone 20-1 in the BE a couple of times. But never 25-0. No one has.
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-28-2020 09:00 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 07:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 06:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 08:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The fact that those Big East teams had surpassed the ACC is shown in the first couple of seasons after the last expansion:

2013-14 Syracuse won their 1st 12 ACC games in a row, including wins over UNC and Duke, finished 2nd (behind UVa).
2014-15 Notre Dame 3rd, Louisville 4th, Syracuse 8th.

Keep in mind: the ACC only added 4 teams, and 3 of them tore it up in hoops at first (now it's down to Louisville - but that may be due to a lot of things)

Good point, Gobbler. I forgot about Syracuse starting hot and then proceeding to be an also-ran in the conference. Once ACC coaches figured them out, it was o-v-a.

You failed to mention Pitt.

Kind of a kooky post. It was injuries that got to Syracuse after starting 25-0 its first season in the ACC. No one ever went 25-0 in the BE, NO ONE. Then Syracuse went on probation and missed out on some great players. But ND came into the ACC in its first season and won that tourney, which they never came close to doing in the BE.
And looking at the stats that have been provided that shows how the BE totally dominated in NCAA wins and Sweet 16 appearances and Final Four appearances, the point has been proven.

They had a good season, and then what? A game over .500 has been the pinnacle after that. Syracuse may not have gone 25-0, but they went 17-1 in the Big East. That’s my kooky point.

Syracuse actually has gone 20-1 in the BE a couple of times. But never 25-0. No one has.

Yes, an impressive start to the season indeedy.

But......the ACC scheduling office sure rewarded the Orangemen as well. That had to be one of the softest schedules of all time with the only OOC road trips to a tourney in Hawaii and a game in Madison Square Garden against St. John’s. UNC and Duke both at home. Finished reg season 3-6, lost first round of the ACC tourney, and said bye in the second round of the Dance after meeting up with Dayton.
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-28-2020 07:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 06:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 08:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  For two seasons and then what? Syracuse hasn’t been close to dominating the ACC, Pitt has finally turned the corner after being shellacked for a few seasons, and Louisville has performed fairly well. Notre Dame is now back to Earth after a few strong showings. If it was a true trend then they would all be atop the ACC standings, no?

The fact that those Big East teams had surpassed the ACC is shown in the first couple of seasons after the last expansion:

2013-14 Syracuse won their 1st 12 ACC games in a row, including wins over UNC and Duke, finished 2nd (behind UVa).
2014-15 Notre Dame 3rd, Louisville 4th, Syracuse 8th.

Keep in mind: the ACC only added 4 teams, and 3 of them tore it up in hoops at first (now it's down to Louisville - but that may be due to a lot of things)

Good point, Gobbler. I forgot about Syracuse starting hot and then proceeding to be an also-ran in the conference. Once ACC coaches figured them out, it was o-v-a.

You failed to mention Pitt.

Kind of a kooky post. It was injuries that got to Syracuse after starting 25-0 its first season in the ACC. No one ever went 25-0 in the BE, NO ONE. Then Syracuse went on probation and missed out on some great players. But ND came into the ACC in its first season and won that tourney, which they never came close to doing in the BE.
And looking at the stats that have been provided that shows how the BE totally dominated in NCAA wins and Sweet 16 appearances and Final Four appearances, the point has been proven.

They had a good season, and then what? A game over .500 has been the pinnacle after that. Syracuse may not have gone 25-0, but they went 17-1 in the Big East. That’s my kooky point.

ND won the ACC Tournament and had two Elite 8 finishes upon entering the ACC until Mike Brey apparently got lazy on the recruiting trial.
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(01-29-2020 08:16 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 07:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 06:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 08:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The fact that those Big East teams had surpassed the ACC is shown in the first couple of seasons after the last expansion:

2013-14 Syracuse won their 1st 12 ACC games in a row, including wins over UNC and Duke, finished 2nd (behind UVa).
2014-15 Notre Dame 3rd, Louisville 4th, Syracuse 8th.

Keep in mind: the ACC only added 4 teams, and 3 of them tore it up in hoops at first (now it's down to Louisville - but that may be due to a lot of things)

Good point, Gobbler. I forgot about Syracuse starting hot and then proceeding to be an also-ran in the conference. Once ACC coaches figured them out, it was o-v-a.

You failed to mention Pitt.

Kind of a kooky post. It was injuries that got to Syracuse after starting 25-0 its first season in the ACC. No one ever went 25-0 in the BE, NO ONE. Then Syracuse went on probation and missed out on some great players. But ND came into the ACC in its first season and won that tourney, which they never came close to doing in the BE.
And looking at the stats that have been provided that shows how the BE totally dominated in NCAA wins and Sweet 16 appearances and Final Four appearances, the point has been proven.

They had a good season, and then what? A game over .500 has been the pinnacle after that. Syracuse may not have gone 25-0, but they went 17-1 in the Big East. That’s my kooky point.

ND won the ACC Tournament and had two Elite 8 finishes upon entering the ACC until Mike Brey apparently got lazy on the recruiting trial.

No doubt. No clue what’s going on in South Bend.
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-29-2020 07:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:00 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 07:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 06:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  Good point, Gobbler. I forgot about Syracuse starting hot and then proceeding to be an also-ran in the conference. Once ACC coaches figured them out, it was o-v-a.

You failed to mention Pitt.

Kind of a kooky post. It was injuries that got to Syracuse after starting 25-0 its first season in the ACC. No one ever went 25-0 in the BE, NO ONE. Then Syracuse went on probation and missed out on some great players. But ND came into the ACC in its first season and won that tourney, which they never came close to doing in the BE.
And looking at the stats that have been provided that shows how the BE totally dominated in NCAA wins and Sweet 16 appearances and Final Four appearances, the point has been proven.

They had a good season, and then what? A game over .500 has been the pinnacle after that. Syracuse may not have gone 25-0, but they went 17-1 in the Big East. That’s my kooky point.

Syracuse actually has gone 20-1 in the BE a couple of times. But never 25-0. No one has.

Yes, an impressive start to the season indeedy.

But......the ACC scheduling office sure rewarded the Orangemen as well. That had to be one of the softest schedules of all time with the only OOC road trips to a tourney in Hawaii and a game in Madison Square Garden against St. John’s. UNC and Duke both at home. Finished reg season 3-6, lost first round of the ACC tourney, and said bye in the second round of the Dance after meeting up with Dayton.

As I said, injuries took its toll on Syracuse after dominating the ACC and going 25-0 in its first season in the league. NO ONE ever went 25-0 in the BE. As far as Syracuse being an "also ran," as you say, in the ACC, I attribute it to two issues, Syracuse recent probation issues and JB hanging on too long. I guess I am failing in trying to get you to understand that those issues would be apparent whether SU played in the BE or the ACC. It has nothing to do with the ACC being tougher, as you seem to be propagating.

Folks have have used verifiable and trusted sources to show that the former BE was superior to the former ACC in almost every way, conference strength, NCAA tourney credits, NCAA Tourney wins, Sweet 16's, Elite 8's and Final Four's. The BE was totally dominant, yet you bring up a kooky stat cherry picking the top 3 seasons of each conference , to prove your point from your "alternate reality."

But Im done debating this, as others have already shown you that your logic is very flawed. You should do the same.
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Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36
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(01-29-2020 09:04 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 07:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:00 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 07:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 06:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Kind of a kooky post. It was injuries that got to Syracuse after starting 25-0 its first season in the ACC. No one ever went 25-0 in the BE, NO ONE. Then Syracuse went on probation and missed out on some great players. But ND came into the ACC in its first season and won that tourney, which they never came close to doing in the BE.
And looking at the stats that have been provided that shows how the BE totally dominated in NCAA wins and Sweet 16 appearances and Final Four appearances, the point has been proven.

They had a good season, and then what? A game over .500 has been the pinnacle after that. Syracuse may not have gone 25-0, but they went 17-1 in the Big East. That’s my kooky point.

Syracuse actually has gone 20-1 in the BE a couple of times. But never 25-0. No one has.

Yes, an impressive start to the season indeedy.

But......the ACC scheduling office sure rewarded the Orangemen as well. That had to be one of the softest schedules of all time with the only OOC road trips to a tourney in Hawaii and a game in Madison Square Garden against St. John’s. UNC and Duke both at home. Finished reg season 3-6, lost first round of the ACC tourney, and said bye in the second round of the Dance after meeting up with Dayton.

As I said, injuries took its toll on Syracuse after dominating the ACC and going 25-0 in its first season in the league. NO ONE ever went 25-0 in the BE. As far as Syracuse being an "also ran," as you say, in the ACC, I attribute it to two issues, Syracuse recent probation issues and JB hanging on too long. I guess I am failing in trying to get you to understand that those issues would be apparent whether SU played in the BE or the ACC. It has nothing to do with the ACC being tougher, as you seem to be propagating.

Folks have have used verifiable and trusted sources to show that the former BE was superior to the former ACC in almost every way, conference strength, NCAA tourney credits, NCAA Tourney wins, Sweet 16's, Elite 8's and Final Four's. The BE was totally dominant, yet you bring up a kooky stat cherry picking the top 3 seasons of each conference , to prove your point from your "alternate reality."

But Im done debating this, as others have already shown you that your logic is very flawed. You should do the same.

By the same hand, Virginia improved drastically and won a national title. UNC won a title and also made some deep runs. So to say that the Big East surpassed the ACC and to pretend it would always be that way is just as kooky, no?

I don’t understand how taking the actual winning percentage of the conference in consideration is kooky, but okay. You can’t ignore how bad the bottom of the Big East was.

Anyway, I’m done as well. It was a spirited debate, with rip roaring speeches and frightened children. The mead flowed like wine and the minstrels played their warring tunes.
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(01-29-2020 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36

0.08 out of 60 seems like "within computational error"
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(01-29-2020 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36

0.08 out of 60 seems like "within computational error"

No question, but still, the AAC is ahead.
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(01-29-2020 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36

0.08 out of 60 seems like "within computational error"

The clock has expired and you are behind. It's over. It's not like an election where stuffed absentee ballots can be recounted enough times to produce the outcome you desire. And it isn't a UNC basketball game where at the end the magic whistle sends their best free throw shooter to the line to pass the slim margin separating a potential loss from a win. It was just a awful year for the ACC on the gridiron, Clemson excepted.
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(01-29-2020 11:14 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36

0.08 out of 60 seems like "within computational error"

The clock has expired and you are behind. It's over. It's not like an election where stuffed absentee ballots can be recounted enough times to produce the outcome you desire. And it isn't a UNC basketball game where at the end the magic whistle sends their best free throw shooter to the line to pass the slim margin separating a potential loss from a win. It was just a awful year for the ACC on the gridiron, Clemson excepted.

UNC exceeded expectations and won a bowl game. I’m okay with that.
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(01-29-2020 11:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  UNC exceeded expectations and won a bowl game. I’m okay with that.

I went to the Military Bowl, that was a real shellacking they put on Temple. Fun to watch.

Overall, about the wildest 7-6 season a team could have. Lots of ups and downs, brutal losses to Virginia, VT, App State, and Pitt but stirring wins over South Carolina, Miami, and Duke.

Glad it ended up on a high note for Mack with the wins over NC State and then the bowl game.
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(01-29-2020 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36

0.08 out of 60 seems like "within computational error"

And that 0.08 doesn't account for how UNC was a few points from going undefeated.
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(01-29-2020 11:43 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36

0.08 out of 60 seems like "within computational error"

And that 0.08 doesn't account for how UNC was a few points from going undefeated.

If we're going down that road, VT was literally just 2 plays from finishing 11-2. That said, JR is correct - it was a very bad year for ACC football. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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(01-29-2020 11:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:04 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 07:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:00 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 07:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  They had a good season, and then what? A game over .500 has been the pinnacle after that. Syracuse may not have gone 25-0, but they went 17-1 in the Big East. That’s my kooky point.

Syracuse actually has gone 20-1 in the BE a couple of times. But never 25-0. No one has.

Yes, an impressive start to the season indeedy.

But......the ACC scheduling office sure rewarded the Orangemen as well. That had to be one of the softest schedules of all time with the only OOC road trips to a tourney in Hawaii and a game in Madison Square Garden against St. John’s. UNC and Duke both at home. Finished reg season 3-6, lost first round of the ACC tourney, and said bye in the second round of the Dance after meeting up with Dayton.

As I said, injuries took its toll on Syracuse after dominating the ACC and going 25-0 in its first season in the league. NO ONE ever went 25-0 in the BE. As far as Syracuse being an "also ran," as you say, in the ACC, I attribute it to two issues, Syracuse recent probation issues and JB hanging on too long. I guess I am failing in trying to get you to understand that those issues would be apparent whether SU played in the BE or the ACC. It has nothing to do with the ACC being tougher, as you seem to be propagating.

Folks have have used verifiable and trusted sources to show that the former BE was superior to the former ACC in almost every way, conference strength, NCAA tourney credits, NCAA Tourney wins, Sweet 16's, Elite 8's and Final Four's. The BE was totally dominant, yet you bring up a kooky stat cherry picking the top 3 seasons of each conference , to prove your point from your "alternate reality."

But Im done debating this, as others have already shown you that your logic is very flawed. You should do the same.

By the same hand, Virginia improved drastically and won a national title. UNC won a title and also made some deep runs. So to say that the Big East surpassed the ACC and to pretend it would always be that way is just as kooky, no?

I don’t understand how taking the actual winning percentage of the conference in consideration is kooky, but okay. You can’t ignore how bad the bottom of the Big East was.

Anyway, I’m done as well. It was a spirited debate, with rip roaring speeches and frightened children. The mead flowed like wine and the minstrels played their warring tunes.


With the mead flowing, I'm tempted to pen a limerick.
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-29-2020 11:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 11:43 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36

0.08 out of 60 seems like "within computational error"

And that 0.08 doesn't account for how UNC was a few points from going undefeated.

If we're going down that road, VT was literally just 2 plays from finishing 11-2. That said, JR is correct - it was a very bad year for ACC football. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Actually Mark close counts in dating and in marriage as well!
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-29-2020 12:27 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 11:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:04 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 07:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:00 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Syracuse actually has gone 20-1 in the BE a couple of times. But never 25-0. No one has.

Yes, an impressive start to the season indeedy.

But......the ACC scheduling office sure rewarded the Orangemen as well. That had to be one of the softest schedules of all time with the only OOC road trips to a tourney in Hawaii and a game in Madison Square Garden against St. John’s. UNC and Duke both at home. Finished reg season 3-6, lost first round of the ACC tourney, and said bye in the second round of the Dance after meeting up with Dayton.

As I said, injuries took its toll on Syracuse after dominating the ACC and going 25-0 in its first season in the league. NO ONE ever went 25-0 in the BE. As far as Syracuse being an "also ran," as you say, in the ACC, I attribute it to two issues, Syracuse recent probation issues and JB hanging on too long. I guess I am failing in trying to get you to understand that those issues would be apparent whether SU played in the BE or the ACC. It has nothing to do with the ACC being tougher, as you seem to be propagating.

Folks have have used verifiable and trusted sources to show that the former BE was superior to the former ACC in almost every way, conference strength, NCAA tourney credits, NCAA Tourney wins, Sweet 16's, Elite 8's and Final Four's. The BE was totally dominant, yet you bring up a kooky stat cherry picking the top 3 seasons of each conference , to prove your point from your "alternate reality."

But Im done debating this, as others have already shown you that your logic is very flawed. You should do the same.

By the same hand, Virginia improved drastically and won a national title. UNC won a title and also made some deep runs. So to say that the Big East surpassed the ACC and to pretend it would always be that way is just as kooky, no?

I don’t understand how taking the actual winning percentage of the conference in consideration is kooky, but okay. You can’t ignore how bad the bottom of the Big East was.

Anyway, I’m done as well. It was a spirited debate, with rip roaring speeches and frightened children. The mead flowed like wine and the minstrels played their warring tunes.


With the mead flowing, I'm tempted to pen a limerick.

Regale us!
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-29-2020 11:43 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand ... in the last few days 15 more computers have been added to the MC bringing it up to 98. AAC still leads ACC but the margin has shrank.

AAC ... 60.28
ACC ... 60.36

0.08 out of 60 seems like "within computational error"

And that 0.08 doesn't account for how UNC was a few points from going undefeated.

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