Adding Baylor and TCU as full member and Texas as partial member (football independent).

North Division:

Pittsburgh
Louisville
Miami
BC
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
Virginia
UNC
(Notre Dame playing five northern schools.)


South Division:

Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Duke
Wake Forest
NC State
Baylor
TCU
(Texas playing five southern schools.)

No

I don't like restricting Notre Dame and Texas to play one division each - why not rotate them both through the entire league? - but the idea of Texas + 2 more isn't bad.

Baylor is a damn hard sell since they lack academic freedom

I can't imagine the holy hell raised at Duke, UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, Pitt, and Syracuse - pun intended. You will mash up religion and gender into a toxic brew.

Texas and Rice. Done. Texas brings the money and Rice brings the band.

There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

Texas will only join ACC if they can bring two little brothers along. Don't have to be Baylor and TCU. Could be Rice and Texas Tech. But Baylor and TCU have stronger football and basketball programs.

(01-28-2020 07:54 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

Texas will only join ACC if they can bring two little brothers along. Don't have to be Baylor and TCU. Could be Rice and Texas Tech. But Baylor and TCU have stronger football and basketball programs.

Order of preference (for me):
1. TCU
2. Texas Tech
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU
6. UTSA
7. UTEP
8. Rice

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

I have never seen anyone connected to Texas say that they want to bring other Texas schools with them.

And in fact, it was Texas who killed the 6 team move to the PAC way back when ... including 3 other schools from Texas.

I think that assertion is just message board mythology.

A football independent Texas, with an ND arrangement with the ACC, gives them plenty of games to play Texas foes. Every other sport has plenty of schedule to do the same.

(01-28-2020 09:43 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

I have never seen anyone connected to Texas say that they want to bring other Texas schools with them.

And in fact, it was Texas who killed the 6 team move to the PAC way back when ... including 3 other schools from Texas.

I think that assertion is just message board mythology.

A football independent Texas, with an ND arrangement with the ACC, gives them plenty of games to play Texas foes. Every other sport has plenty of schedule to do the same.

You may very well be correct.

Show me the $$$.

(01-28-2020 08:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 07:54 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

Texas will only join ACC if they can bring two little brothers along. Don't have to be Baylor and TCU. Could be Rice and Texas Tech. But Baylor and TCU have stronger football and basketball programs.

Order of preference (for me):
1. TCU
2. Texas Tech
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU
6. UTSA
7. UTEP
8. Rice

Surely you’re joking...surely...!!!

Granted, lists like this are subjective, and my list would be (for FBS Texas schools not the Longhorns or Aggies):
1. Texas Tech
2. TCU
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU


6. Rice
7. North Texas


8. UTSA
9. UTEP


10. Texas St

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Thing is...if Texas comes as a partial, you may not get the ACCN into the state of Texas as Texas will likely have its own deal with ESPN on top of its LHN. To get the ACCN in the state, you need a full time school.

Unless the ACCN broadcasts a lot of their away games on the ACCN...which I doubt they would do.

(01-29-2020 01:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 08:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 07:54 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

Texas will only join ACC if they can bring two little brothers along. Don't have to be Baylor and TCU. Could be Rice and Texas Tech. But Baylor and TCU have stronger football and basketball programs.

Order of preference (for me):
1. TCU
2. Texas Tech
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU
6. UTSA
7. UTEP
8. Rice

Surely you’re joking...surely...!!!

Granted, lists like this are subjective, and my list would be (for FBS Texas schools not the Longhorns or Aggies):
1. Texas Tech
2. TCU
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU


6. Rice
7. North Texas


8. UTSA
9. UTEP


10. Texas St

You guys realize Texas Tech fans are basically the WVU of the Longhorn State?

(01-29-2020 01:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 08:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 07:54 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

Texas will only join ACC if they can bring two little brothers along. Don't have to be Baylor and TCU. Could be Rice and Texas Tech. But Baylor and TCU have stronger football and basketball programs.

Order of preference (for me):
1. TCU
2. Texas Tech
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU
6. UTSA
7. UTEP
8. Rice

Surely you’re joking...surely...!!!

Granted, lists like this are subjective, and my list would be (for FBS Texas schools not the Longhorns or Aggies):
1. Texas Tech
2. TCU
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU


6. Rice
7. North Texas


8. UTSA
9. UTEP


10. Texas St

You're probably right about me overvaluing UTSA and UTEP, but I was making a point about Rice... they are WAY, WAY below the top 5 - and that includes Houston and SMU. For that matter, Tulane is better than Rice; Memphis is WAY better. Rice is simply a non-starter. Appalachian State would be a better addition than Rice - and that's not saying much.

(01-29-2020 10:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 08:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 07:54 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

Texas will only join ACC if they can bring two little brothers along. Don't have to be Baylor and TCU. Could be Rice and Texas Tech. But Baylor and TCU have stronger football and basketball programs.

Order of preference (for me):
1. TCU
2. Texas Tech
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU
6. UTSA
7. UTEP
8. Rice

Surely you’re joking...surely...!!!

Granted, lists like this are subjective, and my list would be (for FBS Texas schools not the Longhorns or Aggies):
1. Texas Tech
2. TCU
3. Houston
4. Baylor
5. SMU


6. Rice
7. North Texas


8. UTSA
9. UTEP


10. Texas St

You're probably right about me overvaluing UTSA and UTEP, but I was making a point about Rice... they are WAY, WAY below the top 5 - and that includes Houston and SMU. For that matter, Tulane is better than Rice; Memphis is WAY better. Rice is simply a non-starter. Appalachian State would be a better addition than Rice - and that's not saying much.

Rice has the ability to be an attractive candidate unlike most of that list. They just don’t care it seems.

TCU, SMU, and Rice are the only attractive candidates in my opinion. Maybe Houston.

(01-29-2020 07:21 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Thing is...if Texas comes as a partial, you may not get the ACCN into the state of Texas as Texas will likely have its own deal with ESPN on top of its LHN. To get the ACCN in the state, you need a full time school.

Unless the ACCN broadcasts a lot of their away games on the ACCN...which I doubt they would do.

That’s a good point. UT home games will be broadcast on the LHN, would not be enough UT inventory on the ACCN to demand the carriage fee.

(01-29-2020 11:38 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 07:21 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Thing is...if Texas comes as a partial, you may not get the ACCN into the state of Texas as Texas will likely have its own deal with ESPN on top of its LHN. To get the ACCN in the state, you need a full time school.

Unless the ACCN broadcasts a lot of their away games on the ACCN...which I doubt they would do.

That’s a good point. UT home games will be broadcast on the LHN, would not be enough UT inventory on the ACCN to demand the carriage fee.

But ... we're talking about a situation where ESPN owns BOTH The Longhorn Network and the ACC Network.

They will figure out a way to make sure they can charge full carriage for the ACC Network in the second biggest state in the country -- and growing rapidly. It is their business after all.

Having THE state university in that state would be a HUGE money maker for the ACC.

(01-29-2020 11:38 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 07:21 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Thing is...if Texas comes as a partial, you may not get the ACCN into the state of Texas as Texas will likely have its own deal with ESPN on top of its LHN. To get the ACCN in the state, you need a full time school.

Unless the ACCN broadcasts a lot of their away games on the ACCN...which I doubt they would do.

That’s a good point. UT home games will be broadcast on the LHN, would not be enough UT inventory on the ACCN to demand the carriage fee.

Would depend on the game. Vs North Texas? Sure. Vs Clemson? ABC

LHN carries most of their Olympic sports and games not worthy of being picked up by ESPN or FOX. Most of their "big" games would still be on ESPN/ABC.

That's why I think you have to have a bigger reason than an occasional Texas away game, that's a dud enough to fall to the ACCN, in order to get traction in The Lone Star state.