(01-25-2020 04:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar will replace Texas State in the SBC. Texas State is really an outlier in the SBC.

No one would replace them, at least not right away. 9 teams with an 8 game conference schedule and CCG. No need to replace anyone. Especially with a cellar dweller in FCS.

(01-24-2020 05:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Hawaii, W. Michigan and Northern Illinois got the NY6 bowl. Southern Mississippi, Houston and Fresno State came close.

Hawaii and Northern Illinois were BCS not NY6 spots. Boise, Western Michigan, and 4 AAC have been the 6 G5 NY6 selections.

So Boise to AAC would almost guarantee the spot yearly.

(01-25-2020 04:43 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 05:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Hawaii, W. Michigan and Northern Illinois got the NY6 bowl. Southern Mississippi, Houston and Fresno State came close.

Hawaii and Northern Illinois were BCS not NY6 spots. Boise, Western Michigan, and 4 AAC have been the 6 G5 NY6 selections.

So Boise to AAC would almost guarantee the spot yearly.

BCS and NY6 selections are still the same. It is usually the same bowl. Fiesta

(01-25-2020 04:43 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 05:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Hawaii, W. Michigan and Northern Illinois got the NY6 bowl. Southern Mississippi, Houston and Fresno State came close.

Hawaii and Northern Illinois were BCS not NY6 spots. Boise, Western Michigan, and 4 AAC have been the 6 G5 NY6 selections.

So Boise to AAC would almost guarantee the spot yearly.

Well there have been 13 non power schools get in:
Utah, MWC, now Pac 12
TCU (2), MWC, now Big 12
Hawaii WAC
Boise (3) WAC, WAC, MWC
NIU MAC
WMU MAC
Houston AAC
UCF (2) AAC
Memphis AAC

3 of the 10 not in power conferences would still be outside AAC. And there's also the possibility that Boise in the AAC would create a MWC like the WAC, where a less challenging top of the conference could lead to unbeaten seasons and a NY6 bowl.

Would Boise and Hawaii be able to pull off independence like BYU is doing? Hawaii’s got the Hawaii rule and their own bowl going for them. If Boise contracted with ESPN to fill week night and late night time games then I’m sure they’d make sure they got a decent ESPN owned bowl game when eligible, which should be most years.

(01-25-2020 10:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Would Boise and Hawaii be able to pull off independence like BYU is doing? Hawaii’s got the Hawaii rule and their own bowl going for them. If Boise contracted with ESPN to fill week night and late night time games then I’m sure they’d make sure they got a decent ESPN owned bowl game when eligible, which should be most years.

Hawaii would struggle ... with the expansion to 12 games, the Hawaii rule is not as appealing as it once was.

(01-25-2020 09:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar will replace Texas State in the SBC. Texas State is really an outlier in the SBC.

No one would replace them, at least not right away. 9 teams with an 8 game conference schedule and CCG. No need to replace anyone. Especially with a cellar dweller in FCS.

Lmao..... at this point the dude has to just be trolling right? There's no way he can believe the stuff he comes up with. Lord help him

(01-25-2020 06:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:43 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 05:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Hawaii, W. Michigan and Northern Illinois got the NY6 bowl. Southern Mississippi, Houston and Fresno State came close.

Hawaii and Northern Illinois were BCS not NY6 spots. Boise, Western Michigan, and 4 AAC have been the 6 G5 NY6 selections.

So Boise to AAC would almost guarantee the spot yearly.

Well there have been 13 non power schools get in:
Utah, MWC, now Pac 12
TCU (2), MWC, now Big 12
Hawaii WAC
Boise (3) WAC, WAC, MWC
NIU MAC
WMU MAC
Houston AAC
UCF (2) AAC
Memphis AAC

3 of the 10 not in power conferences would still be outside AAC. And there's also the possibility that Boise in the AAC would create a MWC like the WAC, where a less challenging top of the conference could lead to unbeaten seasons and a NY6 bowl.

Are you excluding the 2013 seasons Fiesta Bowl because the AAC was considered a Power Conference in it's inaugural season?

(01-26-2020 10:56 AM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 06:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:43 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 05:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Hawaii, W. Michigan and Northern Illinois got the NY6 bowl. Southern Mississippi, Houston and Fresno State came close.

Hawaii and Northern Illinois were BCS not NY6 spots. Boise, Western Michigan, and 4 AAC have been the 6 G5 NY6 selections.

So Boise to AAC would almost guarantee the spot yearly.

Well there have been 13 non power schools get in:
Utah, MWC, now Pac 12
TCU (2), MWC, now Big 12
Hawaii WAC
Boise (3) WAC, WAC, MWC
NIU MAC
WMU MAC
Houston AAC
UCF (2) AAC
Memphis AAC

3 of the 10 not in power conferences would still be outside AAC. And there's also the possibility that Boise in the AAC would create a MWC like the WAC, where a less challenging top of the conference could lead to unbeaten seasons and a NY6 bowl.

Are you excluding the 2013 seasons Fiesta Bowl because the AAC was considered a Power Conference in it's inaugural season?

It should count as it had an autobid.

(01-26-2020 03:39 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 10:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Would Boise and Hawaii be able to pull off independence like BYU is doing? Hawaii’s got the Hawaii rule and their own bowl going for them. If Boise contracted with ESPN to fill week night and late night time games then I’m sure they’d make sure they got a decent ESPN owned bowl game when eligible, which should be most years.

Hawaii would struggle ... with the expansion to 12 games, the Hawaii rule is not as appealing as it once was.

You can see it in their schedule. They used to have consistently more attractive ooc games.

(01-26-2020 10:56 AM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 06:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:43 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 05:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Hawaii, W. Michigan and Northern Illinois got the NY6 bowl. Southern Mississippi, Houston and Fresno State came close.

Hawaii and Northern Illinois were BCS not NY6 spots. Boise, Western Michigan, and 4 AAC have been the 6 G5 NY6 selections.

So Boise to AAC would almost guarantee the spot yearly.

Well there have been 13 non power schools get in:
Utah, MWC, now Pac 12
TCU (2), MWC, now Big 12
Hawaii WAC
Boise (3) WAC, WAC, MWC
NIU MAC
WMU MAC
Houston AAC
UCF (2) AAC
Memphis AAC

3 of the 10 not in power conferences would still be outside AAC. And there's also the possibility that Boise in the AAC would create a MWC like the WAC, where a less challenging top of the conference could lead to unbeaten seasons and a NY6 bowl.

Are you excluding the 2013 seasons Fiesta Bowl because the AAC was considered a Power Conference in it's inaugural season?

That was the last year of the Big East autobid, so that is why I am excluding that.

(01-26-2020 10:56 AM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 06:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:43 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 05:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Hawaii, W. Michigan and Northern Illinois got the NY6 bowl. Southern Mississippi, Houston and Fresno State came close.

Hawaii and Northern Illinois were BCS not NY6 spots. Boise, Western Michigan, and 4 AAC have been the 6 G5 NY6 selections.

So Boise to AAC would almost guarantee the spot yearly.

Well there have been 13 non power schools get in:
Utah, MWC, now Pac 12
TCU (2), MWC, now Big 12
Hawaii WAC
Boise (3) WAC, WAC, MWC
NIU MAC
WMU MAC
Houston AAC
UCF (2) AAC
Memphis AAC

3 of the 10 not in power conferences would still be outside AAC. And there's also the possibility that Boise in the AAC would create a MWC like the WAC, where a less challenging top of the conference could lead to unbeaten seasons and a NY6 bowl.

Are you excluding the 2013 seasons Fiesta Bowl because the AAC was considered a Power Conference in it's inaugural season?

Three AAC programs two WAC two MAC and one and a half MWC.
Boise's one MWC appearance has not really helped the MWC just Boise.
A football factory only benefits itself if given special treatment.
Take Loyola their final four run benefited the MVC as a whole not just Loyola.
WMU and NIU both making the big game gives the MAC legitimacy as a conference that can reach the top spot.
Currently a 12-1 Boise gets the nod over 11-2 AAC school does a 12-1 Utah St get the same treatment?

I think it would dumb of BSU to exit the MWC for anything less than a B12 invite. Their annual schedule, along with the name they built is in a happy place where they will get a NY6 game most years they go 12-1 and most definitely a NY6 game if they go undefeated. The MWC suites them well and they made special concessions for them, time to return the loyalty they have shown.

2013 UCF should also count because they were in the American and they were the highest ranked champion in what would become the 'G5' the following year. Additionally, they obviously would have had the access spot even if they didn't have that auto-bid. So since its inception, the American has been represented in a major bowl 5 times. That's AAC 5-2 over all of the 'G4' combined.

(01-26-2020 01:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think it would dumb of BSU to exit the MWC for anything less than a B12 invite. Their annual schedule, along with the name they built is in a happy place where they will get a NY6 game most years they go 12-1 and most definitely a NY6 game if they go undefeated. The MWC suites them well and they made special concessions for them, time to return the loyalty they have shown.

BSU only lost one regular season game this year. It was clear that a 2-loss Cincy squad was gonna beat them out had the Bearcats won the AAC. Then BSU was exposed in the bowl game. Keep in mind BSU's only loss was to a BYU team that lost to one of the worst teams in the AAC (USF). BSU has been good but the AAC is clearly better and now public perception has recognized this. That's the key. Once public perception swayed it put actual impediments in place, whereby a MWC BSU will typically need to have 2 less loses than an AAC champ to safely get the access bowl. That produces a substantial incentive to leave the MWC.

(01-26-2020 12:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 03:39 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 10:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Would Boise and Hawaii be able to pull off independence like BYU is doing? Hawaii’s got the Hawaii rule and their own bowl going for them. If Boise contracted with ESPN to fill week night and late night time games then I’m sure they’d make sure they got a decent ESPN owned bowl game when eligible, which should be most years.

Hawaii would struggle ... with the expansion to 12 games, the Hawaii rule is not as appealing as it once was.

You can see it in their schedule. They used to have consistently more attractive ooc games.

Our program would probably be unsustainable without the scheduling benefits of MWC membership. Independent isn’t a viable option for UH.

(01-26-2020 02:14 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 12:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 03:39 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 10:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Would Boise and Hawaii be able to pull off independence like BYU is doing? Hawaii’s got the Hawaii rule and their own bowl going for them. If Boise contracted with ESPN to fill week night and late night time games then I’m sure they’d make sure they got a decent ESPN owned bowl game when eligible, which should be most years.

Hawaii would struggle ... with the expansion to 12 games, the Hawaii rule is not as appealing as it once was.

You can see it in their schedule. They used to have consistently more attractive ooc games.

Our program would probably be unsustainable without the scheduling benefits of MWC membership. Independent isn’t a viable option for UH.

I dont know. You guys do have your own TV deal and you have a special rule for a 13th game and the ability to schedule zero week games. Granted, geography is mofo for Hawaii---but the Rainbow Warriors actually have more tools to work with than many other schools that might consider indy.

(01-25-2020 09:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar will replace Texas State in the SBC. Texas State is really an outlier in the SBC.

No one would replace them, at least not right away. 9 teams with an 8 game conference schedule and CCG. No need to replace anyone. Especially with a cellar dweller in FCS.

I am not sure why any conference would want Texas State athletics at this point? We have been an albatross around the Sun Belt's neck since we joined the SBC. We have unlimited potential, but we have underperformed badly.

There are dozens of candidates for an open SBC slot that would come in ahead of Lamar University. The Golden Triangle area, where Lamar is located, has a population of about 400,000. In football, they are coming off a 4-8 season where they averaged 7,173 attendance per game. The football stadium seats 16,000. They started selling beer at football games this season, as well as basketball and baseball, to help attendance.

The Golden Triangle area is not a place you go to spend a vacation. It is hot, humid and there is not a lot to do. The mosquitoes are large and all over the place. The air pollution, because of the oil refineries and chemical plants, is among the worst in the country. There is no reason to consider Lamar.

(01-26-2020 01:49 PM)B easy Wrote:  2013 UCF should also count because they were in the American and they were the highest ranked champion in what would become the 'G5' the following year. Additionally, they obviously would have had the access spot even if they didn't have that auto-bid. So since its inception, the American has been represented in a major bowl 5 times. That's AAC 5-2 over all of the 'G4' combined.

The AAC champ that year was guaranteed a BCS bowl game regardless of record. Undefeated, one loss, three or four losses (like Pitt in 2004 and UConn in 2010). Didn’t matter. The AAC had the Big East autobid on the last year of the BCS and didn’t have to meet the criteria like the MWC, WAC, C-USA, MAC and SBC had to. Let’s say a MWC team went undefeated in 2013. They were in regardless of the AAC (Big East) champion’s record.

(01-26-2020 02:27 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 09:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar will replace Texas State in the SBC. Texas State is really an outlier in the SBC.

No one would replace them, at least not right away. 9 teams with an 8 game conference schedule and CCG. No need to replace anyone. Especially with a cellar dweller in FCS.

I am not sure why any conference would want Texas State athletics at this point? We have been an albatross around the Sun Belt's neck since we joined the SBC. We have unlimited potential, but we have underperformed badly.

There are dozens of candidates for an open SBC slot that would come in ahead of Lamar University. The Golden Triangle area, where Lamar is located, has a population of about 400,000. In football, they are coming off a 4-8 season where they averaged 7,173 attendance per game. The football stadium seats 16,000. They started selling beer at football games this season, as well as basketball and baseball, to help attendance.

The Golden Triangle area is not a place you go to spend a vacation. It is hot, humid and there is not a lot to do. The mosquitoes are large and all over the place. The air pollution, because of the oil refineries and chemical plants, is among the worst in the country. There is no reason to consider Lamar.

They have city ordinances in the Golden Triangle that children under 6 can't go out after dark. They are concerned they might be carried off by mosquitos.

Its where I learned to swim underwater (mosquitos don't go underwater).